Hey Sup Forums so Socialism is fucking terrible and I got into an argument with some people about it...

Hey Sup Forums so Socialism is fucking terrible and I got into an argument with some people about it, the problem is I'm out numbered and I'm getting too many questions at once. so Why do you think Socialism is terrible
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Socialism is fine, it's communism that's fucked, and only people who drank Marx's kool-aid can't tell the difference.

socialism is wrong for many reasons. the most prominent is the redistribution of wealth. Why is it that, if someone is poor, they get to steal from the rich? How does that make any sense? Instead of making all of us equally poor, why not try to make poor people rich? Socialists do not understand the difference between 'income inequality' and 'equal opportunity.'

you are not entitled to anything but your rights (assuming americunt), and you are guaranteed freedom to make your life better. If you think that you deserve a certain amount of money, you probably don't and you're just disgustingly jealous.

>Socialism is fine
Not in today's world. Socialism would ruin the economy. Socialism would work, when we inevitably get outsourced by robots, though.

Jesus Christ, people under 14 shouldn't be able to use the internet.
Can I have any sort of reasoning behind "hurr durr socialism suks XD!1!1!1"
Do you even know what socialism is?

Socialism is not the solution.
see

>if someone is poor, what makes it ok to steal from the rich?
>implying that the rich "earned" what they make
also
>you are not entitled to anything but your rights
>food, water, and shelter aren't human rights?

Do you have a job?

>implying none of them earned what they make

So if some asshole working tables at a restaurant for less than minimum wage is compared to someone working 15 dollars an hour for example, that second guy is rich to the restaurant worker. Therefore you think it's ok for the restaurant worker to just take that other dudes money?

fuck off to Sup Forums you retarded piece of shit

I do.
Relevance?
The bourgeois class, by definition do not earn what they make. They exploit others labor for their personal gain. Do you know what the bourgeois and proletariat are?

That's the socialist idea. Spread the wealth so everyone will be equally unhappy, and completely unmotivated to innovate. look at venezuela

>Relevance?
So, let's say you make 15 an hour.
There now is Jake the homeless nigger. Jake does nothing, but by socialism, he must be payed equally to you.

Money doesn't come from thin air, does it? No. Your money will be brought down, and the homeless asshole, Jake, will be payed for sitting on his ass, while you work your ass off, earning the SAME amount.

How do you not see ANY flaws in a socialist economy? You must be brain dead.

Easily the most strawmanned and poorly thought out 10th grade critique of socialism by far.

get a job
iirc they did a study where they payed restaurant workers either $10 or $15 and hour (I can't remember which) but the catch was that they didn't receive tips and on average the workers received less money that way

.....when did I say that?
The fundamentals of communism establish a bourgeois class and proletariat class. The bourgeois, are people who exploit others labor for personal gain (profit). i.e factory owners, business owners, etc. The proletariat are the exploited. i.e factory workers, businesses workers etc. So in your scenario, no you couldn't "steal" from the guy who's making $15 an hour.

how does socialism not promote laziness though, I mean at first it will work well, but after a while you will simply run out of other's money

>tfw the US has been a socialism for about 100 years and is the biggest economy in the world by far
>tfw classical economics and the invisible hand were proven to be ineffective on there own in 1929
>tfw people associate socialism with the ussr and some shithole south american countries
>tfw the definition of socialism changes largely on context and emotional association with the word and can be defined anywhere from somewhat regulated capitalism to straight up communism

obviously dont actually understand anything about socialism.

>being this brain dead

did you fall in directly from 1876?

>socialism is when the government exists and does stuff

kek

>but by socialism, he must be paid equally
.....do you really think this?
You are using the homeless, the byproduct of capitalism to show that socialism won't work? There should be no homeless or unemployed people in a true socialist economy.

>the definition of socialism changes
Sure, kid.

see OP's image

>Byproduct of capitalism
>"M-muh tru soshulist econumee"

There is no absolute or true market. Did you pay attention in finance or history? You really don't understand shithole economics... do you?

Why is venezuela such a shitty place? A shitty ruler AND socialism.

Homelessness is not a byproduct of capitalism. Homelessness is the product of laziness you fucktard. Homeless people exist EVERYWHERE. If anything, socialism pushes laziness, by way of equal pay, and no competition.

communism most popular by those who actually experienced it
pure coincidence

What are the parameters for a socialism by your definition and what economic system would you classify the US as?

Ebin strawman

terrible accusation towards an accurate statement

and? I'll admit there has been socialist failures, (USSR) but you can't just scream "luk soshalishm1!" whenever you feel like it.

Socialism exists today in lesser forms
True communism is unobtainable so long as humans are in positions of power
That is more like a dream utopia though. The rich will never willingly hand over control of this world

Interestingly enough, Cuba doesn't have many homeless people at all. In the DDR homelessness was virtually non-existent.

it's a poor rhetoric attack that describes capitalism for the working class

Who let the hoxhoaist out of his bunker?

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socialism is great fuck capitalism

you didnt read anything, obviously.

>cuban GDP 83 billion
>US GDP 17 trillion

how's that socialism workin for ya?
no homless people =/= working economy

What is socialism? That's the real question.

did you get your NEETbux?

cancer

wheres the graph where they fucking crashed and burned?

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>pro-stalini propaganda is relevant
>user doesnt understand inflating information to make your legacy seem better

that was started in the 60s and took 30 years of active sabotage
oneparty.co.uk/html/book/ussrmenu.html

>economic data isn't relevant because Stalin
>no arguments is arguments
come back when you decide to stop failing and want to win

socialism = good, has never existed
communism = bad

capitalism = extra bad

>homelessness is the byproduct of laziness
Yeah duh, if homeless people just worked hard, homeless wouldn't exist. What idiots.
Also,
>muh Venezuela
Here, I don't want to type it all out:
youtu.be/le86H7Xfjrc

I'm already winning under capitalism. under socialism, you're pushed down if you want to succeed. competition is removed and you are left with a market saturated by government subsidies and brainless fools.

See Op's image

USSR turned into a social-democratic police state shithole post-Stalin. Therefore, failing.

homeless people can work. if you think that homeless people are homeless because they are under capitalism, you should be homeless, living with no brain.

laziness is the leading cause of homelessness, along with drug abuse and mental illness. AKA unrelated to capitalism.

You're really comparing the richest country of 300 million people to the 3rd world country with 10 million people?
also
>what is embargoes

not due to Stalin however who was first off slandered and his comrades purged from the party.
it also wasn't failing until the reforms took effect.
Stalin is therefore the only face of socialism and success.

>ITT dumbass socialists reap the successess of capitalism (the internet, and computers) to bitch about capitalism

>socialism
>3rd world


imagine that

also he was murdered

I would add that as America drifted further from supporting its citizens with social programs like well funded schools and social security and tax money going into communities rather than the corporate welfare and cronyism tax distribution we have now we have watched the middle class deteriorate. Mostly due to lack of funding because the programs that actually were keeping us going were considered "socialism". I'm afraid the direction US is heading now will create a massive income and racial gap that will likely end in a violent, socialist revolution like Cuba, France, USSR. So paradoxically, the people working hardest to prevent America from going "socialist" are likely the ones creating the stage for it to happen.

>not realizing all of stalin's moves were power grabs to suppress the russians

>illiterate talking about others not reading
that's cute

Alright, try being homeless and walking into Starbucks and applying.
Also, the lack of care for mental illness is the fault of capitalism, is it not?God, this is why I hate being a ML. Stalins no fucking angel, nor is he Satan. But, there is no need to worship him like some sort of god.

>I'm arguing with people about a topic that I have no knowledge of
>let's ask Sup Forums for help
God you're stupid

Ask them to name a socialist society that actually worked in the modern era.

>being ML post WWII
I want what you're having

>not realizing that saying dumb shit only makes you look like a retarded person

made russia the greatest it ever was after interventionist wars, 2 world wars and through revolutions, sabotage and terror acts by scum that deserved their death

Norway
Denmark
Finland
Sweden
Netherlands

I'd take a citizenship in any of these countries over usa any day

>mfw people actually think the world's ills are a result of a capitalist economy

Sorry guys, an economic overhaul will not cure the human condition which is exactly why communism fails every. single. time. The only hope of prosperity rests on a capitalist economy. Don't believe me? Ask every country that has a significantly successful quality of life.

>inb4 socialism isn't communism

there are many programs to get homeless people off of their feet WITHOUT subsidizing them endlessly. Some of them can be employed. Most of them do not.

Why?
Because they are provided their basic needs and services, pushing laziness further.
much like this socialism disaster that has never worked in the modern era.

None of those are socialist you fucking retard

>russia
>great

communism will win there are more coz its the worlds most popular political ideology

All of them are, to a degree. Socialism can exist on a spectrum. Hard concept to grasp, I know. If you don't know the definition of spectrum, Google can help you out

Scandinavian countries—specifically, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland—are perceived as socialist because their citizens pay very high income taxes. However, these countries still suffer from many of the social and economic ills that socialism is supposed to prevent

standing army is cuck welfare squad. ml for life.read sate and revolution swiss are closest to ml version of army and look how well they did

Elaborate?
I'm not a tankie, just believe in DOTP, socialism in one state, and so on. >they are provided with basic needs
>basic needs
>food, water, and shelter
>literally in the name, don't have shelter.

Socialists and commies are the most retarded people ever. Each of them believes that somehow, their own version of socialism will work and eventually lead to some utopian world where humans just don't compete.

>being this cucked into submission to not glorify Stalin and give him all due praise because muh liberals can't handle real hero worship
You're not ML, liberal
youtube.com/watch?v=qCs6bDHTthU

>any element of socialism means it IS socialism
so, everything is socialism, yes?

nowhere will you see a working ML or socialist society.

Such as? These countries are ranked as some of the happiest countries in the world with low rates of poverty and homelessness. It's not perfect (no system is) but they are miles ahead of everyone else In my book

>homeless
>does not own a home
>shelter =/= home
you fucking imbecile

Ah, so it seems google couldn't help you grasp the concept of a spectrum. Oh well.

Econ Phd reporting in. AMA

Stalin did everything right

youtube.com/watch?v=G2DRkqR2hkM

youtube.com/watch?v=zrTG-OQTXGM

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They're nowhere near socialist. They're largely free market and completely cucked by immigrants

guess you dont understand your own statement

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Pretty sure most millionaires/billionaires in the US are self made if I remember correctly.

10/10

>"I don't think Stalin was perfect"
>"LIBREUL!1!1! HAIL DPRK"
Fucking tankies.

spicy food is still spicy, no matter how much spice is in it. it's a bad analogy, but my point stands.

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exactly. look at lottery winners. instant millionares, but they burned the fuck out real quick, and they didnt work for that money.

socialists cannot accept this most obvious redpill

>shelter =/= home
.......alright I'm done.

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DPRK to this very day
Many other antiimperialist and socialist states that are revisionist keep themself going by implementing some sort of ML policies, if they wouldn't then they'd already be gone
the lack of fully implemented ML rule is the reason they are shit and struggling to continue

the proof for ML superiority is the downfall of all nations that do not implement ML rule and go against its pillars, including the decay of even the imperialist nations

>implying surplus labor

shelter - a place giving temporary protection from bad weather or danger

home - the place where one lives permanently, especially as a member of a family or household.

underageb& you're obviously 6 if you don't know the difference between a mud hut and a solid house in which you will raise a family