The Beatles are certainly better overall, but Pet Sounds is a greater achievement than anything The Beatles ever did.
Hudson Barnes
Beatlesposters are becoming more annoying than Grimesposters. And that is quite a fucking feat.
Jordan Rodriguez
>>Vocals >Tie wtf
Colton Walker
>vocals >tie
Henry White
>what are Revolver and Abbey Road (and arguably Rubber Soul and MMT)
Xavier Collins
>Revolver >which includes one of rock's greatest failures, Doctor Robert
Adam Myers
>Ability as musicians >Beatles because of Paul
Are you really comparing paulas granny music to the work of Brian Wilson?
Colton Gonzalez
As I said, Because is as good as any Beach Boys harmony. If you focus solely on lead vocals, I would take Lennon's over Wilson's any day. Lennon had so much pain and passion in his voice.
Andrew Myers
I prefer the Beatles but >vocals >tie >implying
Angel Long
those are not better albums than pet sounds
Luke Scott
Production The Beatles win, actually. The Beach Boys had unique production but The Beatles revolutionized how we record albums and many techniques they pioneered are still in use today. In terms of musicians Beatles also cone out on top because the rest of the band pulled their own weight, unlike the Beach Boys.
Honestly, The Beach Boys excelled at one style fantastically well, but they could only do that style, and they have the story of Brian going for them. There's no tragic story of a genius with no support for The Beatles. That's not nearly as appealing.
Jackson Lee
Paul was a god tier bassist, arguably the best ever at writing basslines for rock. Go listen to Hey Bulldog again.
yeah whatever, Brian basically arranged every song for The beach boy's work
John Phillips
I can't agree with anything there. The Beach Boys were miles ahead of The Beatles in terms of production. Listen to the Smile Sessions and tell me The Beatles could come close to the kind of shit The Beach Boys were doing there.
The Beach Boys having one style? There is a giant difference between Surfin' Safari and Pet Sounds. There's also a giant difference between Wild Honey and Pet Sounds. The Beatles' harmonies don't come close to anything the Beach Boys did. Even at their worst, their harmonies were still pretty good.
The best thing about The Beatles was George Martin. Let it Be was a shit album and I'm a huge fucking Phil Spector fan.
Samuel Rogers
The Beatles are the greatest band of all time and will likely never be surpassed. Their discography is so diverse, original, experimental, catchy, thoughtful, timeless, powerful and unique all at the same time. It always leaves me feeling immensely satisfied. Their different personalities come together to form such a fascinating and brilliant collective which changed the course of history in a way no others can or have. The fact they only recorded albums together for about 7 years is quite mind-blowing.
I envy anyone who has let to delve into The Beatles yet and gets to experience it all for the first time.
Hudson Walker
Nah, The Beach Boys' had an extremely unique style of production, but putting it bluntly - there's a reason why at a fundamental level we record music like how The Bearles did and not how The Beach Boys did which is that The Beach Boys had it focused for Brian's style while The Beatles tried making recording better for the band as a whole. The Beatles definitely came close, if anything they went even further.
The Beach Boys were extremely limited in stules compared to The Beatles in no small part because it was no one but Brian working on The Beach Boys. Even at relatively unrefined period all The Beatles were putting in work so it's never the brainchild of one man, and rather that of a band, even musically speaking (Paul'a ultraharmonic tendencies versus George's use of drones to varying levels of how subtlety, for example).
The Beatles might not be individually as good as Brian Wilson, but that's the entire point - they're not doing it individually.
Jack Rodriguez
Smiley Smile is so much better than anything the Beatles ever did. Its so candid and playful while still being packed with emotion and interesting musical ideas. The Beatles sure have versatility but few of their things feel quite as compatible with modern sensibility like something like Little Pad or Wind Chimes, maybe revolution 9. I can hardly sit through 1 Beatles song, they seem so devoid of emotion and unique character. Theres very few Beatles song that come close to much of the Beach Boys repertoire when it comes to emotional honesty. Things like In My Life and While My Guitar Gently Weeps are close enough and comparable, but shit, Brian was packing all the way through and even the other Beach Boys came through here and there like Disney Girls is an emotional orgy while being a quaint pastiche and nostalgic reference to their own previous style of music. The Beatles are a culutral achivement no doubt, but the Beach Boys are the real artistic achievement of the era. Songs like Strawberry Fields, I am the Walrus really do define the sound and style of the era and their influence is beyond our grasp, but listenning to them all the way through is such a chore, like trying to listen to Michael Jackson or Bon Jovi.
Levi Morgan
I've always felt the opposite, even the dullest Beatles song feels fresh and innovative while even the best Beach Boys song feels almost like a cutout of that time.
Luke Perry
*blocks your path*
Nathaniel Taylor
the beatles were far more consistent but the beach boys had higher highs for sure. i'm not sure i'd call any of the beatles members a genius to be honest, although theyre all incredibly talented of course. brian on the other hand had a gift. some next level stuff, and i believe that if it were completed like it was supposed to be smile would definitely be considered maybe the greatest album of all time
Ian Stewart
Beatles Beach Boys Beatles Beach Boys Beatles Beach Boys Beatles Beach Boys Beatles
Nolan Rodriguez
love me do sounds fresh?
Austin Johnson
In a way, it feels as fresh as God Only Knows for example which is odd.
Bentley Barnes
>Production The Beach Boys are my favorite band, but the Beatles did in fact have better production. The Beach Boys' production was pretty meh, and sometimes downright ass.
>Versatily You probably haven't listened to the Beach Boys enough, they were in fact very versatile and went through multiple stylistic changes through their career, as well as dabbling in a range of other genres with certain songs.
>Consistency You're correct there. It's amazing how the Beach Boys could go from literally farting out complete garbage one minute to literally pressing pure magic onto a record the next.
>Vocals You're having a laugh, right?
Owen Wilson
>Honestly, The Beach Boys excelled at one style fantastically well You don't know what you are talking about. Beach Boys pioneered surf rock, sunshine pop, baroque pop, art rock, psychedelic rock, chill wave, outsider pop. Beatles followed their lead when it came to being studio artists and owning a record company
Samuel Cook
this seems like the meme opinion but it's true, pet sounds is just leagues ahead of any album by the beatles
Ryan Moore
>what is sgt. Pepper It might have been influenced by pet sounds but even brian considered pepper the peak of modern music
John Ward
Lol, making a litany of sub-subgenres is supposed to be impressive? The Beatles pioneered fucking disco and heavy metal on the same album like it was nothing. I love the Beach Boys but these threads always make me wince a bit, the Beatles we're so clearly on another level
Aaron Long
>beatles >experimentation/innovation yeeaah out of the like 5 million poppy annoying songs they did on a regular basis those 2 experimental songs they did really put them up as the tip-top of experimentation, didn't they.
but in all seriousness, i agree that the beatles were at least more experimental than the beach boys, the beach boys were pure and utter cancer
Eli Garcia
>one sound >litany of sub genres also >loud song equals invented metal meme >Wild Honey 1967 >Heler Skelter 1968 also by that logic, you can say the beach boys invented punk youtube.com/watch?v=48S5ul5_pLY
Carter Davis
>>Vocals >Tie Are you literally deaf?
Jeremiah Smith
you're saying this like its new news
Jose Nguyen
the beatles invented all genres, fuck betthoven, fuck mozart, fuck all those fake "classical" artists, the beatles started all music, it's a known fact, john lennon is secretly jesus, he faked his death and is now disguised as venetian snares. the beatles existed since the beginning of time and we should worship them all as gods.
Daniel White
I’m currently reading Mike Love’s autobiography, Good Vibrations, and it’s a pretty amazing read.
Even he admits that they couldn’t keep pace with The Beatles both in terms of creativity and popularity.
I love The Beach Boys and think that most everything Brian touched turned to gold (The Smile Sessions holy shit) but there really is no comparing them to The Beatles.
There really isn’t room for debate on this I’m afraid.
Sebastian Hill
This reads like a shill post. beatleposters are fucking weird.
Samuel Foster
It’s really not though.
I really do love The Beach Boys but they didn’t tap into the same magic as a The Beatles did. How is this even a debate?
Aaron Stewart
it just is a debate, it's magic
Easton Turner
>i go to college. Im well versed in music of all types
Julian Foster
>i go to Sup Forums. Im well versed in music of all types
Bentley Green
Smile is still better than the best of The Beatles, even if The Beatles ended up having more good albums and more consistently good material
Bentley Young
brian wilson was a drug addled maniac, you can't trust his opinions. his music was top notch though
Easton Howard
this but unironically
Nicholas Anderson
I thought summer was over?
Matthew Kelly
The Beatles records were all mixed and produced by George Martin, don't kid yourself into thinking the Beatles were some kind of do-it-all Zappaesque band who were engineering their own albums
Chase Davis
>The Beatles >Experimental Stopped reading desu
Isaiah Martinez
They sat in on the mono mixes.
Jack Scott
Read "Revolution in the Head" and then come back.
Benjamin Diaz
They also didn't have the social and financial privilege of someone like Zappa who went to art college and learned music from an intellectual angle. They were untrained.
Xavier Clark
The beach boys also had a far longer career. In the span of 1962-1970 who was more diverse?
Also the most overrated album ever is Pet Sounds. Your telling me I Wasnt Made for these times is anything other than bland and boring
Austin Sullivan
Where did he go to art college. He sat in on one semester of community college and didnt the rest he learned from books and I think a high school theory class maybe
Ian Ortiz
Pet Sounds was worth 5 Beatles albums.
Christian Brooks
Britain was socialist in the late 50's when the Beatles members attended arts colleges.
Carson Adams
acknowledged
Alexander Bennett
The Beatles are clearly better but I would give vocals to The Beach Boys
Zachary Rodriguez
>sitting through strawberry fields forever feels like a chore Bait or are you just this pleb.
Ryder Foster
I'd call Paul a genius
Liam Bennett
>what are Revolver and Abbey Road Pretty underwhelming. Only checked out The Beatles recently and I can't really see what the fuss is about.
Daniel Richardson
beach boys: pet sounds - 10
beatles: rubber soul - 9.5 revolver - 9.5 sgt pepper's - 9.5 white album - 9.5 abbey road - 9.5
Dominic Hernandez
I will preface this by saying they are my number one and two of all time >Versatility Beatles, but Beach Boys could do different styles well. >Experimentation/innovation Beatles because of having perhaps more innovation and experimenting in differ styles more often, although they were both very innovative. >Influence Beatles but Beach Boys were very influential including influencing The Beatles >Lyrics Beatles, partially because if versatility >Consistency Beatles by far >Production Beatles >Sales (for you poptimists) Well yeah ok >Vocals Beach Boys >Ability as musicians I guess Beatles because Brian was the only really great musician.
Joshua Flores
pet sounds - strong 7/ light 8
Isaiah Smith
The Beatles are better, but Pet Sounds is equal to the very best from The Beatles. The Beach Boys have a lot of other really good albums, Smile/Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Sunflower, Surf's Up, etc. so they definitely weren't just a one album wonder. Also The Beach Boys are way better in terms of vocals, I don't know anyone who would think otherwise.
Ethan Ross
Beatles were also pioneers of baroque pop, psych rock, and art rock. Also they ddint follow their lead when it came to being studio artist, and I don't see how them owning a company before them is relevant.
Nathan Perry
On behalf of Beach Boys and Beatles fans on this board please fuck off underage
Brayden Butler
The Beach Boys vocally sound the same on every fucking track.
DUDE PRETTY HARMONIES LMAO
That's literally all they could do.
Jose Brown
Beatles had decent lyrics, whereas beach boys lyrics are borderline retarded
Michael Bennett
Pet Sounds and Peppers are both shit
White & MMT are by far peak Beatles
Cooper Phillips
No, they also had amazing melodies.
Camden Miller
How old are you?
Lincoln Morgan
21
Levi Hall
Did you never go through a phase of listening to The Beatles a ton as a kid or teen
Nathan Moore
No, I didn't.
Ayden Stewart
I just found it strange that you had only listened to them recently have you been "into" music for long?
Ian Wood
I just never bothered listening to them because I figured I wouldn't like them from what I've heard on the radio. I'm liking Ram and Band On The Run more than any of The Beatles albums I've heard.
Colton Sanchez
>Innovation BB, by far Wouldn't have anything later by Beatles if it weren't for BB
>Influence BB, obviously Not only the concept of a boy band before the Beatles, Brian's design of audio influences many genres from Funk to Techno
>Lyrics Not even questionably BB From Today! to Surf's Up dominates the entirety of the Beatles lyrical efforts. Even the earlier lyrics encapsulate youth culture far more than Beatle's bland love diddies
>Consistency Brians progression from square one is evident and sweet and consistently beautiful, even Wild Honey to Friends and Surfs Up, it still manages to consistently craft beautiful music
>Production Not even a choice, BB
>Sales Don't know, don't care
>Vocals No shit, BB
>Ability No shit BB
Owen Perry
>>Vocals >Tie. You can't be serious
All voices that aren't Carl or Mike are annoying as hell
Luis Ortiz
>surf rock Maybe vocal surf
Jack Harris
>Lyrics >Beatles god no, the beatles were terrible lyricists
Hunter Jones
>>what are Revolver and Abbey Road (and arguably Rubber Soul and MMT) shit. theres your answer
Samuel Brooks
same community college as Brian Wilson and Al Jardine. Hard to find an art school with that caliber of alumni
Hudson Mitchell
>Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see
Ian Hernandez
They were in on the mono mixes and gave input and direction on things which would be solved by subtly revolutionary methods of recording.
Levi Wood
This has the most truth out of any post in this thread
Joshua Bailey
Only John was in college, Paul dropped out of high school and worked in a power station, George was barely out of high school and not long after went to Hamburg, Ringo finished high school and was playing drums on Liverpool bands as his method of living. Only John went to art school and he dropped out soon after.
Christopher King
>this opinion
Henry Brown
>The Beach Boys excelled at one style fantastically well, but they could only do that style
Surfin safari is different to Pet Sounds and Sunflower and so on...
Matthew Perry
You realize he only went 1 semester though. You don't learn that much in a semester. If anything its more telling that Brian isn't a genius because Zappa has less schooling and sought knowledge. The pieces on his mothers albums are fat more complex than anything Wilson did.
Also Pet Sounds is boring and I only kinda liked it as a retarded 8th grader. Then I grew up and realized, while influential, its boring as fuck. I can't even sit through it anymore. Unless did Brian wear a hat while recording the album too, then its l genius.
>I get its revolutionary at its time but outaide of /pleb/core it hasnt aged well and really is just okay. Kinda like of while some classical music was needed to get to where we are now, that doesnt mean there isnt better music to evolve from it. And while I appreciate Baroque and Classical period music, a lot of it just doesn't do much for me because its been surpassed
Jayden Carter
Amazingly boring. Yeah they have great but when ever song uses a specific element it gets old.
Caleb Cooper
Also wasnt let sounds influenced by Wilsons favorite Beatles record Rubber Soul. You plebs don't realize it woildnt even exist without the Beatles
Jace Roberts
>pet sounds boring Whats entertaining to you, oh wise patrician
Brayden Lewis
thread shouldve ended here
listen to sgt peppers, then listen to the main 20 tracks from smile sessions
brian was way way way way ahead of any of the beatles. if him and van dyke had their way, sgt peppers would be an afterthought. Even She's Leaving Home, one of the most emotional tracks of Pepper, pales in comparison to Surf's Up.
A day in the life combined memorable john lyrics, a paul verse, a thrown away john hook (i wanna turn you on), a meme of having muscians play a note solo for 12 times in a row, and george martin holding a piano key for like 30 seconds with a dog pitch at the end "just because". Now listen to Heroes and Villains, a masterpiece of pop with motifs that appear throughout the smile album.
But in the reality, smile bombed, and that's why i have a sgt peppers poster on my wall and not a smile poster.
Jackson Wilson
Not true, by the way
Nicholas Edwards
Abbey Road is probably a 10 though. Same goes for Rubber Soul.
Kevin Russell
The Beach Boys are a meme that this board clings to because of a desire to be contrarian and different. Another ex. "Taking critics seriously lol"
Chase Bailey
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Asher Gutierrez
That’s the most boring bassline with the most wastered down, tepid tone I’ve ever heard.