Are reluctant men to blame for so many women being childless...

>Are reluctant men to blame for so many women being childless? Record numbers are never becoming mothers - and not by choice
>One in five women born in 1969 are childless today, compared to one in nine women born in 1942
>'The men I met from my mid-20s onwards seemed to delight in wooing and dumping me. I suppose if I'd been born in another era, men would have had to commit to marriage before they had sex, which might have meant I'd have got the children I yearned for.'

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Maybe.

Men don't want to date women who act like they're superior to them. Women are suppose to save that for after marriage.

>reluctant to get divorced by a gold digging whore

yeah big surprise

Back in the day guy has to be very careful of who they fucked. Chances were the girl would get preg then the choice is run or get married to her.

The fault is with women's 'empowerment' they want to be able to fuck like whores and expect not to get treated like one.

If they told the guy before hand they don't use pills etc and don't support abortion they'd soon find someone willing to get married and start a family. The man whores would move on to easier prey and actual decent guys would stick around.

its your fault merchant!

> ;?)

>feminism
>birth control
>absolutely shitty future prospects
>divorces
>costs

Hi, uh, who are you quoting? >_

im pretty happy drinking a few beers playing video games and masturbating when im not at work. sex isnt that great and women in general are the worst

Your kike women, and gentile women infected with kike ideals are to blame.

What's stopping these women from having children out of wedlock? Put your tits on Craigslist and say "wanna fuck? NO CONDOM NEEDED!"

End of story.

You're a mother.

Married a great woman, stable, loving, family oriented. Bought a giant house with every penny I had to have kids.

All she does is shop and chat on the phone to her sister all day. She wants kids, but 'not right now'.

She doesnt know she's on a 1 year countdown in my head. No kids in a year and she's out on her fucking fat arse, with all of her piles of Amazon junk.

Im almost looking forward to it, I hate how fucking childlike and indecisive she's become. Just wants to waste her time filling our huge empty house with tat.

>and not by choice

Is contraceptive use and abortion not record high right now?

It's a buyer's market. Men can choose and fuck, or fuck and not choose. Sex is devalued, that goldmine women sit on, now only produces copper.

Dude, cut it short. Why spend one year with a bitch you don't even like. If she's like that now imagine what she'll be like with a babby in the house.

Unless she's some sort of 11/10 and you've got eugenics in mind, in which case carry on.

Western society has turned women into insufferable sluts who can leave with your child and most of your shit any time they feel like it. What sane person would enter that 'partnership'?

lads I think we need to get off the internet and actually go talk to girls before writing them all off

>She wants kids, but 'not right now'.
That's not how it works user. You first make her pregant, then marry her. And hope child is not black I guess.

>t. Femanon Shill

Brainwash her. Women are so retarded they can easily be manipulated and shaped in whatever you like. Unless they're too old for that.

The whole west
>feminism making women insufferable and a pain in the ass to hang around
>birth control and abortion enabling sluts
>tax increase making it harder to support one family on one income
>suddenly frivolous things like tv, phone, internet, netflix are not nice to have but must have = need to work more and get more money
>low interest rates drives up the price of housing to absurd levels compared to before - making it harder for smart people to settle down and starting a family
>entertainment like video games and tv just being more fun then most women
>internet dating making lots of 7/10 women think they can get 10/10 chad just because they fucked him a few times. So they refuse to settle down with a 6-8/10 guy and then when they are in their 30's they either have to settle for 4/10 in their own age, some old divorced dad or die alone.
Mostly the US
>divorce lawyers might take everything you have even if your wife cheated on you and lured you to take care of a child that wasn't even yours.

Did i get it all?

That's the fruit of sexual liberation.

Just change her pills to candy and pump a baby into her.

In the 1960s, if you graduated high school, you were golden for a career job with pension and full benefits. Your chances of having to switch jobs was something like 10%, and then only if you were truly a monumental fuck up.

Now, you can't even be considered for a job if you don't have a 3.8 GPA in two university degrees and 5 years job experience before graduating. Pension? What are those, grandpa? Benefits? You're allowed to keep your job next Monday if you work 75 hours this week, for the 35-hour week we will pay you according to your contract. Medical? Figure out how to pay for that yourself.

40 short years ago you didn't have 15% of the buy-in required for a "normal" life today that is stable enough to even think about a family. A normal guy today can't afford to have an apartment plus car plus medical insurance and still have time to date.

And, fuck the dating scene. First, there's no time between shifts to even go out. Second, who the fuck can afford to throw away $1000 a week on going to dinner a movie and a bar one night? Can't even enjoy a beer without risking getting a DUI.

And, why the fuck should I even try? She's just going to fuck Chad on Monday and Wednesday and Jamal Tuesday and Thursday while I'm at work, then have a headache for three days when Friday gets here.

pro-tip: I've already lived that shit. Ended up broke and paying for two apartments - hers and mine for three years - while I tried to find another career-level job.

pro-hint: haven't found one yet, still working two shitty "between" jobs, trying to get an interview for one related to my degrees (B.S. Geochemistry and M.S. Computer Science). Turning 32 this Fall and just got student loans paid off last December.

I can't even make myself give a fuck anymore. I'm out. No family for me. It's too late because now I'm obsolete and over the hill, a sad, used up grandpa that's too geriatric to be of any use to any women. Except a bank account.

Wise words from Ivan.

congrats on defeating the usuryjew user

It's almost as if women spend the time where they are most fertile going to school.

where is that? the picture that is, not too concerned with anything else

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lol

She's milking the finals years of not having responsibility, I urge you to consider that when making future decisions with her. Clearly shows signs of immaturity, or maybe ask her if she's afraid of being a mother.

If you want one, try having children around her more to expose the idea further. Chick flicks also make them cry and want emotional brace, in my experience they become lustful afterwards if they really enjoyed it.

Some women are too emotionally dependent, it's insane.

>reluctant
>maybe I dismiss reality and call his very reasonable and factual fears "reluctant" men will get back to making children
Men operate based on making risk assessments. The current deal is so lopsided against men they're just quite not taking the bait.

In a game where the rules are so hellbent on screwing you over, the only winning move is not to play.

I think if a woman wants to get pregnant, she will get pregnant, regardless of there being a father figure or not.

>I'm to blame for not fucking you
wew lad

This, most of the girls I know are pretty based, though I would never consider marrying any of them.

>I've been on the cock carousel until I was 30. Now I'm old, fat, ugly and bitchy and I need someone to take care of me
>whaaaa were have all the good men gone

>Zion national park

>>'The men I met from my mid-20s onwards seemed to delight in wooing and dumping me. I suppose if I'd been born in another era, men would have had to commit to marriage before they had sex, which might have meant I'd have got the children I yearned for.'
From the same article

pretty fucking funny if you ask me

Dmitri knows. 'Companionship' of this variety is just another term for you getting screwed and wasting your time on something you have been tricked into thinking you need right now. Obviously being strung along.

Men love better than women.

They can easily spend their life with one woman if it comes to that. Women always cheat. Always. And real men can sense that and dump them before that.

t.Vatsayana

Do you think they'll come to terms with it?

As they sit in an old folks home, slowly dying, staring out the window everyday, will it cross their minds that maybe, just maybe, they were so fucked in the head no sane man would ever touch her vaginal cave of ice?

I hope women unfuck their shit, cause they're not listening to anyone else, clearly.

holy shit it gets even better.
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TL;DR
>be 25 dumb bitch
>dump guy that is willing to commit
>fuck around
>be 30
>become involved with a guy that all ready has kids
And then it just goes on an on.

What a retarded bitch, she figured out how shit worked over a decade to late.

Shortage of male jobs that pay a living wage for a man with a family. Most job growth in the west in pathetic office/service industries paying fuck all unless you are a manager with 20 years experience.

Wages are so low and costs so high it needs both partners to work and therefore makes raising kids properly impossible.

Mortgage loans calculated on both wages not the husbands as previously leading to massive house price inflation.

When I was 22 my fiancée told me she cheated on me and dumped me. I went on a few blind dates after that, but they all could tell I was damaged goods and I didn't want to be hurt again, so I never got or bothered with a second date. I stopped dating after that. I have't had sex in almost ten years. I decided to start dating again last month. I got a handful of matches on Tinder and Plenty of Fish. None of them responded to my messages.

true my indian shitting on the street friend

very true

MGTOW is becoming stronger, and many don't even know they're part of it.

Men realize that a woman owns him for at least 18 years when he has a kid.

The system is so fucked in their favor, yet they find another thing to complain about.

When we stop acting like a man needs to be punished for life for divorce maybe we'd feel more compelled to dump that load.

Women don't realise that "slut shaming" women protected them from having their men leave them when they got insufferable and old and getting a new young upgrade.

True. Sup Forums and the rest of the Internet fucking despises men for ignoring women, but women deserve it.

>Men are denying women the dick
>More cock hungry women than there are single men

Harems WHEN

>women are childless because men are too promiscuous and not saving themselves for marriage

L O L
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I've actually had numerous people on the Internet tell me before in different ways that the reason so many women are in porn is 1) Men won't ask them out/date them/marry them anymore and 2) because women are going there to get the sexual satisfaction they couldn't get from normal men

It sounds retarded, but I think people notice the absence men have left. Our presence is starting to dissipate more and more and people notice it, but they are too retarded to understand why we walked away, so instead they are saying weird things so we can become guilty, I guess?

>implying it's not the draconian laws which will make you lose half your stuff and never see your own children
0/10, try harder

>mfw thinking about how flustered and regretful 30-something whores must get when they realise their clock is ticking down at an alarming rate

It's something I read here, one of the few things that stuck with me, aside from all the shit posting:

It's incredible, who knew that all it took to end a genetic legacy was $50,000 a year. That's all it takes for a woman to become so preoccupied, that she just throws everything her ancestors did in the trash.

There will be no monuments to her brave "sacrifice", and once she has died, there will be no lasting memory, there will be no continued genetic existence, she'll just be forgotten, and it will be add if she didn't exist at all

Adding the webm to get people to read this, it is tangentially related, at best.

Dude, porn is to sex as movies are to real life. Even if what you see is appealing, on the scene it's mess and hard work. Porn is literally nightmarish sex.

Maybe men don't want loud, obnoxious, entitled whores, and there are far more of them than in the past.

Many people are in it and many many people watch it. I don't get this meme that it's bad the way people like you say it is. Degenerate? Yes. But you seemed to have grossly exaggerated how bad it is in your own way.

Speak for yourself. Not everyone here is a 20 year old virgin.

White women have too high standards from being spoiled all their lives

>True. Sup Forums and the rest of the Internet fucking despises men for ignoring women, but women deserve it.
Here is hoping we can make this penetrate ESPECIALLY into higher education and to top value males.

I think it's starting to work, but we're far from done.
>Adding the webm to get people to read this, it is tangentially related, at best.
Nice.

This

I'm 25 and own my house and I don't even make a lot of money

But the divorce lawyers...sweet Jesus. We have like 5 commercials for these fucks per hour

women today have as much sex as men, aren't submissive, don't know how to cook or clean, divorce you as soon as look at you, don't care about virginity (see above) care more about making money then raising a family. if you want someone to blame for declining marriage rate and you not having a child. it's pretty obvious who to blame. Feminism. Again.

I have a loving submissive Asian girlfriend. I still hate western women in general and will never date an American.

I'd toss in sexual liberation too, user.

Both parties share some degree of the blame. Men have become pussies but women have become vampires.

so many threads about people not having children on Sup Forums lately. and here i am 22 with 3 kids...

You can add children today will most likely grow up to become permanent roommates in their parents home

Can I have one of them? I need her (female please) for scientific research.

how can you afford it being so young?
do you have financial support from parents?

>"Bawwww, why can't I find a good man who will pay for me to get fat and not ask for any of my diseased rotten pussy that I handed out freely in every club along the Eastern Seaboard? Now I can never have the cuckold kids I would pretend are my husband's and then divorce and steal from him five years later for free child-support for the next 20 years! Bawwwwww bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!! It's men's fault!"

Capitalism made having a family too expensive and unwieldy, people still clueless about this fact.

>women slut it up
>M-manchildren don't want to marry us
Come on.

To bad you didn't let the commies take over then.

While there are natural dads who want children, most men just want sex. Apparently, an urge to have sex is more efficient than an urge to have children to get us to mate and create offspring, so we have been selected for this.

So, a man wants sex. In the past, in order to have sex safely he'd have to marry a woman, and the lack of reliable contraception meant that indulging in this desire would sire a child.

Thanks to the pill, and the women who indulge in it, men can now get sex without marriage, without commitment, and without the risk of pregnancy. Men haven't changed, they are still acting on the same instincts that drove them to have children before—only women now make themselves infertile, and society has changed to the degree that sex does not require monogamous marriage any more.

Everyone wasting their most fertile years in higher education and being unable to earn living wages to support a family until you're at least 25 doesn't help.

Remember, women don't want kids. They want to be taken care of, never have to work again, and have YOU take care of their kids whether you are the father or not.

Stop blaming these common Jews for what their cultural elite have done, theres a good chance they have nothing to do with their elite. Ive met more redpilled Jews than any other ethncity

cuckgenics is the future. inferior Men raising the children of selectively bred super-men.

>Jewishwood sell degeneracy
>Media outlets sell degeneracy
>Educational System support libtards views
Oy vey, our race is dying, I wonder who is behind that?

Because most modern western women are train-wrecks.

>browsing Sup Forums
>see image
>isnt that zion NP?
>it totally is

I did a project on that place once. Beautiful place.

You should know why, Juden, you infected the West with Cultural Marxism

This, men are actually more logical than women and society give credit for. Most mem I know, know other men who got screwed over by the divorce courts or got cheated on. 70 percent of women are unfit to be mothers. And unlike women, its easier for a man to e childless and lonely than for a woman .

divorce rates had been to high for to long in america and probably the west in general. divorce favors women not men . a couple of generations brought up seeing what it does to their fathers and many men wont bother with that shit

you can fuck some tinder bitch and never even pay for child support if she gets all prego and has the kid

>Thinks he marries a woman who is stable, loving and family oriented
>Lists all the reasons why she's not what she claimed to be

Yeah, you got fooled son, leave now or suffer the consequences.

You still have a few good years left. A piece of advice from a young man who wishes he had a mentor, find some younger man and pour yourself into him (not gay tho), make him your legacy and teach him anything you can.

Women have 100% control over whether their child lives or dies, you can even "man up" and marry a modern western woman, but she has all the power and decides how many children you have (so statistically 1-2 most likely) the fact that Sup Forums blames men for the low birth rate of whites speaks volumes as to how cucked they are at a base level.

You mean socialism.
Poor people have as many kids as they want as they're financed by the government to do so. The government takes money from you to make that possible.

People here think they are smo smart they can end these issues.


:smirk:

Really fags? why not go outside? im dreading that i have to work night shift next month.

24/7 ops centers are fucking gay i cant wait to quit.

>from my mid-20s
>mid-20s

Too old.

>girls who get molested at 12 don't have good marriages
>americans in charge of interpreting data

wew

>If a girl has sex at 12 that means she was molested 100%

Oh, how sweet and innocent you are.

>entertainment like video games and tv just being more fun then most women

This is where the jew got me. I just enjoy spending time by myself in my apartment more than I do at parties or social events.

They got me to, then i started using the computer to read up on shit instead of playing video games and after that normal things like watching sports, drinking and talking with people about watching sports and dirnking just seems so fucking boring and stupid. And now most women are insufferable because they are either interested in stupid shit or if they are interest in politics they are feminist socialist that blames muh patriarchy for everything.

Oh, I got that backwards.
First I was reading shit and being all pseudo-intellectual, thinking everyone else is too simple and stupid, and then I got into video games and Sup Forums.
I think its better that way.

Not all 12 year olds who have sex are molested. Some are just degenerates a bit younger. Of course molestation is going to influence the data for 12 year olds slightly; however, molestation doesn't refute the trend established by the data.

>Canadians in charge of non-arguments

The only "red-pilled" jews are old, zionist, orthodox jews who probably suck baby dick. The rest are all lgbt-loving, feminist, globalist, etc. Some of which may vote conservative just to keep their shekels from the government.