OK, let me get this straight.
St. Vincent's new album is called MASSEDUCTION. For the performances and promotional imagery, she's chosen a deliberately overdone yet strangely androgynous tartiness, playing up her sexuality in costumes that are usually no more revealing than any of the others she's worn.
And dipshits on Sup Forums are taking this as her actually being desperate to sell her body to them?
You guys are slow.
>woman squirting their period blood over a canvas and call it art
>lady shoves yarn into her cunt during her period and then knits a scarf with it
she's using her sex to sell her music. It's pretty fucking low brow since it takes no mastery, no skill, and zero effort.
People who consider this "art" are the same people who think twerking is considered dancing.You're not elevating the art form or pursuing a higher goal, you're just using sex to make a sales pitch.
Yeah I too think art is something you "progress" or "elevate" like a video game. Autism has ruined my life
But she's barely using sex at all. She's wearing pink and red and and wearing tights instead of pants, that's basically it. The images suggest sex, but they're not Miley Cyrus level, let alone anything stronger.
Also, your complaining about art focusing on the body is typical American prudishness.
She was just on Late Night in a "look at my nipples" outfit.
How are you not understanding that this relates directly to the themes of the record? How are you not understanding that her entire performance style and body language at the moment is about the songs?
Even if it's true, it doesn't matter as no one takes her seriously (as she would like).
And the "theme" is based around trying to get record sales.
You can try and justify anything by calling it art. It's still her trying to use her looks to get attention.
It sounds like Marina and the Diamonds with some art rock flair and extra mixing on the tinges of it. It gives the listener a lot to think about it. But just like Blonde or American Dream, it's simply too overburdened and self-obsessed to be digested with the listener as a whole experience. the album has highs but they feel more like cheap kicks nestled in the overall over-stimulated package.
Why are you so fucking scared of your own body?
THESE GODDAMN SWING DANCERS WRECKING MY WALTZ!
stop assaulting this woman with your male gaze patriarchal perception of her philosophy and commenatry on our oppressive culture
American prudeness. They love violence but hate the bodies
It's true.
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OK, let me get this straight.
St. Vincent's new album is called MASSEDUCTION. F
or the performances and promotional imagery, she's chosen a deliberately overdone
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yet strangely androgynous tartiness, playing up her sexuality in co
stumes that are usually no more revealing than any of the others she's worn.
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on Sup Forums are taking this as her actually b
eing desperate to sell her body to them?
You guys are slow.
death grips
Are you alright buddy?
The user you're responding to is stupid, but your comment is equally stupid, if not more so.
The idea of progression in art is perfectly legitimate and a very useful one at that.
Read T. S. Eliot's essay "Tradition and the Individual Talent" if you want to stop being a filthy dilettante
Eliot's criticism was mostly concerned with making general rules from his particular practices.
I'm not afraid of anything. I'm calling a spade a spade. She's using a theme of sex for attention. She wants the attention to sell more records. You can either agree or disagree with that.
I'm indifferent to the album; it's pretty dull with a few ok songs.
Yes, but to what purpose? He had the weight of tradition staring down his pen-nib. As he said, every new piece of art retrospectively modifies the canon. Modernism especially was about building on that canon to create new things, but always with the tradition as the scaffolding
Annie is the real artist.
>She's using a theme of sex for attention.
No, she's using the theme of sex because she's recently been inspired by sex.
But he didn't, nobody actually does. We have the influences that matter to us, and we go forward. Eliot was not influenced by every previous poet in the language. He was trying to persuade the English conservatives he wanted to befriend and join that his poetry was not an anarchic breaking apart of what came before, but the only way to continue their tradition in the debased age of universal suffrage, Jews etc. He's a good critic providing you realize he's only ever writing about himself.
Yeah I bet.
And I bet she made her most poppier, chart friendly album because she's "inspired" by that too. She probably was "inspired" by Swift and that's why she got her producer.
You really think nobody has sex, don't you? You think it only exists in the wrong kind of music.
I'm sure she was, no quotation marks, inspired by pop and indeed Taylor Swift. Why not?
>We have the influences that matter to us
We have influences that constitute the Western mindset, whether we like it or not. Eliot was influenced by every poet who mattered
>conservative
>only writing about himself
While Eliot elected to see the modernist movement as a (radical) progression of tradition, that doesn't mean his contemporaries didn't have to pay homage to the literature that came before them. If it was a "breaking away" no-one would have called it anarchic. The modernist masterpieces (eg. Ulysses, Sons and Lovers) were built on a clear classical foundation (the Odyssey and Oedipus Rex, respectively).
Wallace Stevens is another conservative modernist who shared similar sentiments in his essays
I don't have sex so it's an alien concept to me. I don't like listening to music that shoves sexuality in my face. Frankly I find it contrived and rather repugnant.
No we don't. No he wasn't.
Why are you giving me your community college worksheet about literary Modernism?
>If it was a "breaking away" no-one would have called it anarchic.
Total black-is-white non sequitur bollocks.
annie was a secret lesbian for years
people close to her knew but it was an unspoken thing, sex was only ever openly discussed with her when it was talking about the harassment she got online
like that guy who jacked off to her on youtube and kept trying to send the video to her
she wasn't ready to own her queerness and actually sleep with ladies but nothing terrified her more than the idea of sex with men
she felt trapped by her image, trapped by the possibility that she was only popular as a musician because her male fans objectified her and found her attractive
she felt caught between a rock and a hard place, caught between the prospect of losing her fan base on one side and the disgust and terror of being a fantasy object for disgusting male bodies on the other
this was very clear in her art
"cheerleader" the bondage allusions in the artwork to "strange mercy"
she was miserable
until she got over it
this record's fixation on bondage and sexual objectification of women is her attempting to reclaim and use the symbols that she used to use to communicate her feeling of being trapped in the role of fantasy object for indie men and message board bros
weaponizing her fears and using them to communicate her power to the people she used to be afraid of
unfortunately her sexual and personal awakening came as a result of her becoming part of the NYC cokehead shitty art fashion elite scene, which generally produces terrible music and art
so unfortunately this moment of triumph for her in her personal life is accompanied by terrible music courtesy of terrible musicians like jake antonoff and carly delevigne
the album kind of sucks
good for her though being happy and getting laid with models i guess
Thanks for your honesty.
Misreading. I should make it clearer:
If it was a "breaking away" it was not an anarchic breaking away. i.e. It did not (and could not) a movement which attempted to exist entirely apart from the tradition which preceded it.
>No we don't. No he wasn't.
I think we underestimate the cultural inheritance we receive. We can't be rid of it so easily. Eliot understood this.
This all seems so shallow. Sophomore college art student-level commentary. But at least someone does it I guess.
Don't you think it's also partly owning her sexual aggressiveness? Like, she's not just getting laid, she's laying much younger arm-candy, like a classic rock star.
I don't really have any interest in discussing this, sorry.
that's what it looks like from the outside but in reality she's just slightly older than all the other girls who have "seeking women" checked on raya
kristy stewart, carly delevigne, soco, a bunch of the models that miley fingerblasted when she was doing that
they're all just partying on lesbian raya
Lesbians don't find men disgusting, they find them neuter unless they're being actively threatening.
link to performance?
So there are no lesbians under thirty on Raya?
annie found men disgusting because of the degree to which men online fixated on the idea of sex with her
this board and others has a habit of sexualizing women who deliberately cultivate a public image that isn't overtly sexual, like laurie mayberry from church's, various kay pop artists, the grime
this traumatized annie because she was worried her career depended on male fans finding her attractive
it was a unique circumstance
not very many no
the people who decide whether or not you can be a member have certain biases when it comes to age, race, body type, et cetera
annie happens to be a very young looking skinny white woman
I don't know if something's wrong with the sex-obsessed waifufags or if the problem is with me that I completely detach music from sex and don't see any of my favorite artists sexually. I hate the idea of selling sex, and appreciate anyone who avoids it, male or female. There's something so banal about a girl twerking her half-naked body onstage or a shirtless dude groaning into a microphone while another shirtless dude shits out a guitar solo. I don't know how anybody who appreciates music has any tolerance for such things.
your waifu makes mediocre music
But you just said they were hooking up with models on there, you idiot.
It looks like you've responding to a reasonable observation - Annie seeks younger girls and is as looks-oriented as any model-banging rock star - with pseudo-insider waffle.
Do you have a source for this, or are you just imagining that your D can save her?
*responded
there are only models on raya
for someone like annie who has always been private and shy about her personal sexuality there aren't a lot of options for her to meet people, especially because she is constantly scared she will be stalked and assaulted by a fan if she goes out alone
raya is one of the only ways she can meet potential romantic partners in a safe, non-public way
most of the girls on raya who like her music and would be into her at all are models
anyone her age on there is probably a youtuber or personal shopper or someone like that she shares no interests with
So there ARE lesbians under thirty on there, which is what I said and you denied. Why don't you learn to fucking read?
i do not understand what you are saying
do you speak english?
i speak english
i also hang out with models and celebrities and am rich which i suspect you do not
(shrugging ascii drawing)
>I was just pretending to be retarded!
Great save.
i am sorry your life is so sad
> I don't have sex
Explains your ignorance on the topic of promoting sexuality then
>Explains your ignorance on the topic of promoting sexuality then
A rather convenient excuse for the all too familiar "sex sells" strategy, isn't it? Not the same person.
>scrolls the thread
>no qt images of Annie posted
I am upset with you all.
That's not even Annie's ass
If you look at the promo photo shoot this picture is there, but it's much wider. There are I think three people in the shot, this person is on the left and Annie is in the middle
No you dont get it bro. She's selling sex but its high brow faux artsy and self aware. Its nothing like nicki minaj cause shes "indie"
>Sells Sexy Guised as Art
So she's smart then. Have you ever seen French art from back in the day. It's porn, but it's art. And so many "art house" films are straight up softcore porn but with more plot than sex. Seriously, she's not doing anything that hasn't already been done for ages
Also back then she was a qt. Now she looks like Harvey suck the life out of her along with her asshole.
Nice cover, I'd eat that ass all day
Ya but her current audience doesn't care about that stuff, as this thread shows. And she doesn't sexualize for publicity's sake
that's not her on the cover
>her current audience doesn't care about that stuff
She has a very big audience and Sup Forums is hardly representative.
>And she doesn't sexualize for publicity's sake
debatable
you can take an effort to get publicity and make an attempt to create art out of it, her gimmick interviews and 8th grader-tier social commentary music videos show as much
I bet you post in waifu threads you fucking autist.
Frankly I think she has convinced herself that whoring herself out is ok because she's doing it "ironically".
Don't listen to it then. Or don't you like the Doors either because they shove sex in your face?
gay thread, shit musician
honestly it's an album like Hesitation Marks which plays through fine the first time but as you revisit it it gets blacker and bleaker. it's not so much an album as a movie made by someone who doesn't believe in movies anymore, knows it, and hates every second of it.
the unshackled sexuality promotional aspect actually adds to the highly-refined anxiety that runs under most of the album, even through emotional highs, and the album finishes on Smoking Section, which very directly deals with the danger of peacocking and disturbing ease of losing the sense of self that directs you to doing it in the first place, the back-of-the-mind awareness in artists no matter their confidence that true danger lies in the last thing, not the next.
though it may not seem as complex as her previous work on the surface, the mechanics, arrangement, and structure are peerless this year (or really the last last few). it's a great album.
>tfw wasn't looking forward to the album at all despite being a big fan but think it's pretty great
Also using pic related for the album art. The actual art is pretty awful.
Yeah this Boy to mention that sexualizing yourself as a creative/image thing is kind of trite at this point
This all said I dont really know enough about all of this and St Vincent in general to have a full opinion of what to think
Pills and Sugarboy are my favorite songs so far.
seriously i wonder how many Sup Forumstants have blown their load at that image completely convinced that's her, probably a ton
same with that scrapped be a body grimes video
You got laught out of me user. Gratz