have you ever wondered about merry and pippin and how they just went along with it without question after meeting sam and frodo in the fields that day?
like, they knew they were tagging along for a journey that will easily last for years and yet they never bothered to notice their friends and families?
could you imagine how it must have been for their families? their sons, grandsons, brothers, friends or what not went to steal some veggies one day and never returned afterwards. what it must have been like for them? i bet they even accused that farmer of killing them and hiding their corpses.
too bad that old hack tolkien never gave more insight.
Noah Young
Merry and Pippin were like 75 years old, they can go do whatever they like.
Samuel Peterson
sure, but my brother is 40 years old and if he went to a neighbours field to steal some carrots and never returned, i'd fucking file a missing person report
Brody Thomas
The movies just sort of gloss over all the details. In the book, Gandalf had already conspired with Merry and Pippin to ensure Frodo makes it to Bree. They just sort of get caught up in the chaos after that.
Kayden Barnes
They might have sent a letter from the tavern they ended up in before they really started to move away from the Shire.
John Martin
>too bad that old hack tolkien never gave more insight.
Yeah, there was a whole "conspiracy" involved. They were pretty much in it for the long haul.
Dylan Hill
>In the book, Gandalf had already conspired with Merry and Pippin to ensure Frodo makes it to Bree this is literally not true
Cameron Torres
i think you over-estimate the complexities of the hobbit communities in middle-earth
Luke Howard
so you're basically saying it was normal in hobbit communities to walk away from your house and return 6 years later like nothing ever happened?
James Allen
a. They were fully grown independent adults b. They also left at the same time as Sam and Frodo, who were known to have gone on some sort of quest with Gandalf. Considering they were all best friends people would likely have made the connection and just assumed they left together c. They were only gone for just over a year d. There's nothing to indicate that their relatives weren't worried, indeed most of the Hobbits seemed quite surprised to see them return, indicating many HAD perhaps written them off e. They had multiple long sojourns in towns, which served as opportunities to send letters or messages back home, in Bree or Rivendell or maybe even later
Charles Garcia
Their families were taken hostage you fucking faggot. Go read the books.
Thomas Clark
negro they hide out in a house and reveal that they are in on the plan and everything
Lincoln Carter
>75 yo
fucking really?
Oliver Jackson
no
pippen late 20s, merry 30s
Kevin Thompson
its not like they couldve written a letter in riverdale or bree or wherever
Mail does exist in middle earth, right? or atleast send some ravens
Connor Price
even if none of the explanations are there, when there are riders and shit around and your friend is in danger you probably want to help him out. They probably figured they maybe could turn back at Brie. But then the riders followed them there and they met strider at which point they probably figured it was best to keep going. Then at Rivendell they weren't gonna turn back either because, gotta save the shire.
Matthew Johnson
i'm sure a courier service was active in the north, but during the war of the ring where entire warbands were marching about. who's going to deliver letters at a time like that?
Xavier Gray
actually, in the books they had a huge part about how frodo was moving out to the border of the shire and sam,peppin and mery where helping him.
I'm not shitting you, the LOTR books have a part about moving out to another house.
The intro is really slow.
Jack Cooper
Surely you could be the only courier brave enough and charge buckets worth of gold
Nathan Mitchell
It's not normal, Hobbit society is very insular so people leaving are treated as local crazies, the only reason they pretended to give a shit about Bilbo was because he had a shitload of money and they all wanted a cut when he died
Oliver Reed
in the books, the ending is that the shire had been fucked too, most of their friends and family were probably dead/
Jayden Evans
I think anyone that knew Merry and Pippin knows they are very flakey and probably wander off all the time.
Hunter Bell
Why didn't Sauron send Orcs and shit to destroy the shire after finding out baggins is who they are looking for?
Nolan Walker
Because Orcs don't live close enough to get there without getting fucked by Rangers, Rohan or Elves. Which is why Saruman turns up when everyone else is busy
Wyatt Powell
This. He's moving to buckville or something. Also merry and pippen were already peculiar by hobbit standards. In fact they and frodo were from a lineage of hobbits who have gone out to do adventurous things (the took line specifically, that name is even namedropped in FoTR) but ofc you faggots haven't read the books so just stick with shitposting
Jack White
They would basically have to march through every enemy just to raze a place which plays no strategic role.
If helms deep had fallen it might have been more viable.
Nathaniel Moore
yea, it seems someone with some decent tracking skills would be able to avoid all the worst shit between cities if you had a horse
Joseph Davis
i thought they were all in their 50's
Josiah Lopez
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
seriously, fuck off.
Jaxson Wright
The plan wasn't Gandalf's, though. Sam, Merry and Pippin had noticed Frodo walking around the Shire (for months, mind you) muttering to himself about the ring and about leaving the Shire. They formed a plan to help him, since he was doing fuck all about it himself.
Bentley Thompson
And Frodo is a fucking retard in the books. The first few chapters, at least. Goes around talking to himself about the ring and leaving the shire, then tells everyone he meets on the way to Bree his name and that he has a magic Ring. Farmer Maggot, Tom Bombadil, random fucking Elves, you name them, if Frodo ran into them they learned about his plans to take the ring to Rivendell.
He even tells Fatty Bulger exactly what he's doing and where he's going and just leave Fatty exactly where everyone else exects Frodo to be.
Zachary Price
First three chapters of Lord of the Rings were written as a sequel to the Hobbit, so they have the same whimsical style. Tolkien thought about editing them to match the tone of the rest of the book, but decided he liked the incongruity because real ancient books often contain such juxtapositions, so his fake ancient book should, too. This is also why Bombadil is in the story, Tolkien describes him as a Hobbit folk tale that somehow got mixed in with the history of the war of the RIng.
Gavin Hernandez
it is literally said bilbo was only adventurous hobbit, merry and pippen were never mentioned
Jace Edwards
Which brings into question if any of that shit with Bombadil even happened, but they still had the swords
Easton Davis
Except both Merry and Pippin had accompanied Frodo on his wanderings across the Shire and Buckland, and Frodo had literally met Elves before the events of LotR.
Kevin Carter
Merry and Pippin were described as being in their 'tweens', meaning their twenties. Hobbits are considered to come of age once they hit 30. What I don't understand, however, is whether they were physically at the same level of maturity and aging as a human at 30 or if hobbits simply had a longer lifespan. Furthermore, did they have the maturity of a 30 year old or would they be at the same maturity as a human who'd just reached 18?
Can any bookfriends help me out here?
Aaron Robinson
Is Frodo gay or just asexual?
Ryan Stewart
No one is gay in Middle Earth
Benjamin Carter
How do you know?
Benjamin Brooks
I live there
Jace Martin
Disproves your assertion then.
Anthony Fisher
Because Tolkien was a devote Christian, and homosexuality is against the word of God.
Ryder Morgan
Name a canonically gay character from Middle Earth, you can't
Landon Anderson
the burden of proof is on you son, I didn't make the claim
John Kelly
>I live there
>Name a canonically gay character from Middle Earth, you can't
You
Austin Roberts
REKT
Chase Gray
Did it really take 17 years of research from Gandalf to ascertain that the ring Bilbo gave to Frodo was the one ring?
Colton Carter
Why would he think it was? A ring that can turn you invisible (which I don't think Gandalf even knew) isn't exactly a great deal of information considering how many fucking magic rings exist in Middle Earth
Angel Robinson
I thought the only magic rings that existed were the 20 mentioned?
Samuel Hughes
YOU'VE BEEN IN MARMER FAGGOT'S CROP
Benjamin Kelly
no, there were apparently lots of lesser rings, the one/three/seven/nine were the peak of the craft.
Angel Ward
Wrong dumpledore is gay
Isaiah Foster
Those 20 are the best, they had plenty of magic rings before that, Eregion was famous for it before Celebrimbor made his shit
Jackson Murphy
15 years of weed and elf pussy one year of research and one more year of pussy
Connor Allen
Do Istari have penises? If yes, why?
Parker Thomas
for the elf pussy
Luke Garcia
...
Cameron Cooper
So much for not being directly involved
Samuel Myers
How many years went from the first film to the last one?
Dominic Jackson
I appreciated this post
Ayden Rivera
Holy fucking shit. I was watching the fotr with my siblings last weekend and I pointed out that in the books he's gone for several years and I was met with loud protests so I figured, alright maybe I'm wrong so I settled with "Well at least six months or something". Fucking shits, I knew I was right. Why are people so adamant in certain opinions when they're completely wrong, fuck.
Jaxon Phillips
if you question something as highly regarded as lotr, you'll always be met with protest. anything that is even SLIGHTLY of critique of it will be seen as "OH DO YOU HATE IT? HUH? WHAT, ARE YOU SAYING IT'S BAD??? IT CANT BE, IT'S LOTR!!! PERFECTTIOONN" etc. I know the exact kind of person you're on about.
Jace Bailey
barely over 1
Isaac Miller
It wasn't like they were just any old Hobbit's though, they were the heirs to the 2 most important clans.
Aaron Lopez
that's subjective though, this is just embracing an objectively false fact for some fucking reason
Ian Moore
>there will be never anything as grand in scale from behind the scenes, to onscreen, to the great length, time and energy spent on this beast of a series ever again
how do you cope with this, I don't know how
Ian Butler
Wait for when old Chris dies and they do Silmarillion shit, then we'll see true shit
Michael Roberts
>Silmarillion it'll just be another hobbit trilogy, you know it be true
lotr trilogy came out at the perfect time, and every thing aligned in the universe for it to be so
do I even need to go into the many, many things of our society today that would infect a Silmarillion film
Christian Parker
That's why I said it would be true shit, it will be quite possibly the worst film ever made. And it will be made
Jace Howard
Based Chris is gonna outlive hackson, trust me
Charles Murphy
It could happen, but you probably need to have a big "name" for that to happen. I am not very good with economics, but even adjusted for inflation the lord of the rings movies didn't have that big of a budget compared to big movies today and they got some nice profits.
David Hill
>most of their friends and family were probably dead/
They weren't. 19 Hobbits died in the battle of the Shire.
Isaiah Walker
>Silmarillion literally noone gives a shit about that one m8
Jaxson Carter
They can market it as LOTR nostalgia shit though, they'll fucking do it
Henry Peterson
>What I don't understand, however, is whether they were physically at the same level of maturity and aging as a human at 30 or if hobbits simply had a longer lifespan.
A bit of both, and it's actually 33 that they come of age, nto 30. Hobbits didn't live exceptionally longer than humans, Old Bilbo was 111 when he left the Shire for good and he was considered remarkably old but not a freak of nature (of course he had the Ring that prolonged his life, but it shows that 111 isn't an inconceivable age for a hobbit)
Ian Johnson
>What I don't understand, however, is whether they were physically at the same level of maturity and aging as a human at 30 or if hobbits simply had a longer lifespan.
They have a longer lifespan. A hobbit at 30 is the physical equivalent to a human at 20. It's pretty common for Hobbits to reach over 100 years. The oldest recorded hobbit was Gerontius 'Old Took' at 130 years old. At least until his grandson beat the record at 131 before he sailed west with the Elves.
>Furthermore, did they have the maturity of a 30 year old or would they be at the same maturity as a human who'd just reached 18?
The latter.
Cooper Green
Tolkien didn't think it important enough to mention.
Benjamin Gomez
Yes, their best friend Frodo was heir to Bilbo's fortune, arguably making him the richest Hobbit in the Shire.
>yfw the Hobbits weren't comfy bumpkins but preppy rich kids
Dominic Hill
This. The movie makes it seem like only a couple of days between Bilbo's party and the quest beginning. It's really months and months, there's shit happening all over Middle Earth in this time that the movie skips.
Gavin Rogers
>Tolkien didn't think it important enough to mention.
He also didn't include descriptions of people shitting.
Tolkien didn't want to add garbage to his work because he wasn't a degenerate leftist retard that constitutes the majority of fiction writers. None of the characters are gay and arguably only the Maiar are asexual.
Aaron Morris
Well Frodo apparently crushed on Arwen, and Sam on Galadriel, so any gayness between them wouldn't be exclusive homosexuality anyway.
Austin Cox
Months? They were decades
Julian Green
>Hackson
People who say this obviously don't know the truth behind The Hobbit trilogy.
Jackson probably saved them from being utter failures.
Dylan Myers
>only the Maiar are asexual. Doesn't Gandalf have a boner for Galadriel? Or am I confusing movie with book?
Ryan Gomez
In the movie it's only a few months, I believe.
In the books it's 17 years, but that's because Gandalf and Aragorn were out searching for answers/Gollum.
The movie changed this for obvious fucking reasons.
Gabriel Martinez
>Doesn't Gandalf have a boner for Galadriel? Or am I confusing movie with book?
No, he doesn't have a boner for Galadriel in the books. Can't remember in the Hobbit movies but those were terrible anyways.
Easton Reyes
>In the movie it's only a few months, I believe. Even then, it only looks like a few days.
Gabriel Brown
Gandalf adores Galadriel. She's older, more powerful and basically considered one of the most beautiful 'things' in the world.
Bentley Lopez
Like...do you want a calendar or something?
There isn't a realistic way to show the time lapse. All we know is Gandalf rode to Minas Tirith, found the journals of Isildur, searched for Gollum, couldn't get him before Sauron, then returns to Frodo.
John Lewis
>only the Maiar are asexual.
No evidence for this at all, and in fact the marriage of Melian and Fingolfin suggests otherwise.
Eli Adams
>fade to black >"A year later..."
Connor Bailey
Seasons changing in the Shire as Gandalf reads his journal aloud.
Colton Edwards
why? what would that possibly add to the movie?
Ayden Clark
It would give you a sense of how much time Gandalf spent fucking around.
Elijah Gutierrez
You mean Thingol
Jacob Lopez
NEEEERD
Samuel Walker
They *were* utter failures
Wyatt Reyes
That makes it worse.
Austin Smith
Those fucking names, holy shit Tolkien.
Julian Allen
>implying Feanor didn't want to sit on his father's cock