Where does morality come from? Pre-established religious tradition, empathy, or something else...

Where does morality come from? Pre-established religious tradition, empathy, or something else? What constitutes "degeneracy"? If it's just "what we disagree with, how are we any different than social justice warriors?

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Not an arguement

There are studies of infants that suggest it's instinctual

Makes sense that being empathetic towards others ensures tribe/family/species survival.

Wasn't supposed to be one. It's a topic for discussion.

>white people having morality

good one

>What is the Golden Rule

>Where does morality come from?
Depends on whether or no you believe in God.
Theist: God defines moralist
There is no objective morality for the Atheist. They can follow one subjectively but no such thing as a real morality exists in that case. It is all relative.

>degeneracy
This is just my opinion here.
Degeneracy is socially harmful actions. Though there are many cases where harm to society is negligible.

Religion comes from the hard wired morals were are born with to ensure a mutual human society, it just enhances and elaborates what we call "common sense" into a universal mantra

Reliance on cultural inertia isn't a bad thing. If it ain't broke don't fix it is an entirely plausible argument when you have the law of unintended consequences.

Founding societal laws on anything but tradition doesn't make sense as we really don't know enough about how societies work, other than the consequences of what we have always done.

You should read everything Nassim Taleb has written, alongside everything else he talks about he makes the best argument for relying upon the "wisdom of the ancients" out of everybody I have read.

Morality is derived from social values. Behavior that exemplifies qualities society values are considered moral. Behavior opposed to these things are considered immoral.
Values can come from anywhere, however and often have no real logical foundation beyond " God said so" or "that's what I was taught as a kid"

>Morality

nihilism says there is no morality

which is how I live my life

existentialism says you make your own morality

It's not all relative. Karma is a high level emergent form of the laws of conservation.

Alchemy tells us that the rules of morality are not objectively held, but are subjectively derived from witnessing the patterns of life. So, our ethics are derived from noticing that certain physical aspects remain constant. Pain hurts, for example, and lessening pain is useful and good.

The only form of degeneracy possible is subverting, or trying to subvert those facts. Pain is good! diversity is strength! black is white! genders aren't different!

>Karma is a high level emergent form of the laws of conservation

Seems unlikely to me m8

History and facts.
What worked,what didn't.
We must learn from our mistakes.

My country fought mudslimes for centuries.Other European nations have.
We have banned kikes too.
time to fucking get it right once and for all

HOW IS THIS NOT FUCKING OBVIOUS OP.
Good = Builds stuff up, makes things better
Evil = Destroys shit, makes things worse, makes everyone hate you which makes karma basically real since one day if you do enough evil shit someone will fuck you up for crossing them

Degeneracy = Evil, because it makes society worse, tears society down, and is destructive.

Good is anything that helps make the world better to live in
Evil is anything that makes it worse.

Therefore killing all niggers, spics, and asians is the good, moral thing to do.

The same place that understanding, life, and you come from.

>Good is anything that helps make the world better to live in

You used a swear in your reply, sir. That made people feel slightly bad. You are evil.

And I might have made you feel bad by pointing out your failure. I am also evil!

Conservation is paradoxical. You can't get something from nothing, but then where did something come from?

You're delusional if you think our country isn't sprouting SJW tendencies that completely contradicts any base morality . Most people will call you islamophobic if you ever oppose migrants, will call you racist if you belittle black people, will call you sexist if you criticize women for the smallest thing. You just have to read the news. We have reporters talking about how fucking happy meals are sexist. Critics begging to ban mein kampf from been distributed. Transsexuals being invited to talk shows crying about how they're not payed enough at bar nights and how transphobic it is. List goes on.

Yes. subversion is a loophole in logic. Our reality hinges on paradoxes. This sentence is false, etc.

That's the cosmological argument for the existence of God.

It's a shitty argument but more of a really good clue.

On the contrary, our reality persists despite paradox. For now, anyway.

divine command theory is just as bankrupt as any other moral philosophy, as it requires humans to make shit up and claim it to be divine revelation.

I think it's a good argument. There's not a good answer from atheists as to how the big bang brought non existing matter into existence.

As if we could fully explain reality without paradox? We must embrace and accept this part of reality. "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent"

>non existing matter

do you even quantum singularity?

unless they actually experienced divine revelation. In the case of Christians we take morality from Jesus who supposedly performed miracles which proved his divinity.

It comes from humans you fuck, how can it come from a concept if there isn't a creature around to comprehend that concept?

I like Roger Penrose's epoch ideas. I also think mathematics is the end game anyway. The universe is an interesting puzzle but it's just a stepping stone to understanding the greater mathematical scope of reality.

Yes but there is no explanation of why the quantum singularity exists.

At some point you have to create something from nothing.

Of course it comes from humans, but what gives it authority?

We can explain reality without paradox. Paradox and reality don't work in the same way that darkness and light do. They don't complement one another. Paradox is utter subversion and has no juxtaposition, because it has no position. It's a non-thing.

It's not darkness explaining light. It's being blind.

>Roger Penrose's epoch ideas

I've never heard of this it sounds interesting.

>think mathematics is the end game anyway.
Yes I tend to agree.

Evolution has made people with a possible range of reactions which are tempered by culture.

wtf...did I ever say that that was not the case?
I personally got into some beef because I stated that the refugees were not actually war refugees

we already knew this SJW shit was going to happen
you got the commies that are nothing but old sick bigoted fucks,BE, literal marxist feminists and the corrupt socialists,all this runned by an Indian.

people in pic related should be fucking gassed desu

Nature, logic, empathy and divine revelation.

that's a huge if with astronomical odds against.
for the sake of argument, let us assume that Jesus Christ is real and Yahweh is the one true god. what makes his moral code correct? is it right by default? if god changes his mind (which he has done many times) does morality change? Is it simply right because God is the strongest? is God therefore anything more than a moral bully?

Hold on there pal. Atheism doesn't require a belief that morality is ultimately subjective just because they don't think there's a god to make up the rules.

Read Lawrence Krauss and get back to me

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>Where does morality come from?

see >There are studies of infants that suggest it's instinctual
basically, morality is an innate tool that we developed for social cohesion.

religious tradition is just a way to enforce it, same with "rule of law"

>What constitutes "degeneracy"?
whatever puts a species in an inferior position than where it's previous generation was
for example:
>all the various causes of the declining birth rates in the west are degenerate

To the people who have the power to enforce whatever morality they think is suitable. It ain't rocket appliances.

Paradox pop out from the limitations of a set of axioms. You can always add more axioms to squash out a paradox, but then you've altered the way reality works. They are part of the fabric of reality, not just a phenomenon within. You cannot reconfigure a paradox, but you can exploit it. Each person's consciousness is a constant stream of information consisting of the four quadrants of possible information: known truth, known falsehood, unknown truth, unknown falsehood. All 4 streams are interacting to compose their instance of reality where mathematical precision and ambiguity are at odds to roll time along through chaotic patterns and splits in reality that go down infinite rabbit holes. Truths exist in the realm of plato's allegory of forms while falsehoods exist in chaos, and reality is an interaction.

Question for the religious regarding morality-
Is butchering innocent children inherently morally wrong?
Was it morally wrong when God explicitly commanded his followers to murder amakalite infants?

>that's a huge if with astronomical odds against.
I've personally experienced supernatural phenomena so I feel differently. I sincerely wish I could share this experience with you but I can't.

>what makes his moral code correct? is it right by default?

Yes pretty much. Morality is defined by God. He is the creator and owner of it. As the all-powerful master of the universe his will constitutes law.

>Is it simply right because God is the strongest?

It is "right" because it is God who defines what "right" is. He makes it objective reality.

>God therefore anything more than a moral bully?

Do you call the police bullies for enforcing the law? God enforces his law.

> but what gives it authority?
social cohesion

example:
>if you murder your own kin you will cause conflict within your group and other groups will take advantage of this so don't murder your own kin

>Atheism doesn't require a belief
It doesn't require it but it does imply it. As much as atheists would like to ignore it. Nihilism is the end result of Atheism.

Okay, I see what you mean. Nicely done. Though I don't see the point of trying to "exploit" a paradox.

The best part about that pic is it comes from when Jacob wrestled with an angel and thought he was wrestling with God.

>Nihilism is the end result of Atheism.
no it isn't

morality will always be present whether you enforce it through religion or rule of law because moral rules or code of conducts are necessary for social cohesion

Tell me where does the bible explicitly condemns killing infants?
In this case it would most likely not break the 6th commandment since it wouldn't count as murder.

I think youre born with it. You can naturally relate to another human because you too are a human. I know what others may think because I know how I would think. Its not always the same for everyone but theres always a majority and thats what society sticks to.

The only reason to exploit them are in the mathematical sense through proofs and application to science. Like I said, it's a good hint that we cannot ever hope to understand reality and we are fundamentally limited in what we can understand, but the flip side is that we are also fundamentally unlimited in what we can understand also because accumulation of knowledge can be put into positive feedback to create more truths waiting to be discovered which also alters our reality through information interaction which is the path of our experience in time. I haven't even gone into how probability and statistics linked into this, but we know information is statistical in nature and so there are some fundamental truths from which measure theory can spring.

>morality will always be present whether you enforce it through religion or rule of law

Subjectively, not objectively. Through Atheism. Morality does not exist in an objective concrete form.

Nihilism is absolutely the end result of atheism. There is no avoiding it.

Nature and reason, supplied by religious law and positive laws.

It is twisted by culture and it's a human creation at the end of the day, so we could say it's kynda off subjetive, but more ethnocentric.
We the West share a set of morals.

That ain't morality. We consider murder to be wrong because it IS wrong, it goes against nature and the firm beliefs that should have been instilled into you at an early age.

>Subjectively
sorry but there is no such thing as subjectivity (just because you fail to recognize a pattern doesn't mean there isn't one).

the moral code changes as the variables affecting it change (as those variables changed due to the variables affecting them changing and so on) . See it as an innate per-programmed mathematical algorithm with the sole purpose of keeping a strong bond within a group. The moral standards will change as the face of the group changes because the purpose is social cohesion, but it never dies, it only shifts because it is necessary for group bonding.

the world is one giant cluster of algorithms and morality is just another one of them

it's an innate instinct developed for that purpose see

Btw my argument was not cosmological, but more suggesting that even if you get away with something in your reality, it does not mean it is not made up in another reality. A different pathway of the great word may also be relevant to your consciousness and greater being. Think of the great word as infinity and 0 both represented in the number 1.

read the abolition of man

>innate
>developed

>how does evolution work

What kind of children?
>Was it morally wrong when God explicitly commanded his followers to murder amakalite infants?
No

So how does a kid locked in a room for most of his life access this innate ability?

Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. (1 Samuel 15:3)

Not to mention all the other verses about ripping open pregnant women.

his lack of social bonding will lead him towards a darker path I'm afraid

found the nigger!

>the great word.

You lost me, but I am intrigued as to what you mean by this.

What defines degeneracy is something that was once good and has declined significantly into something that it was never meant to be but at the same time hasn't become something else. Like in America you have a political system that's so horribly corrupt it can't really be called democratic anymore but at the same time they haven't actually made the leap to being full on fascist so it's still technically democracy, just a degenerated form of it. Or how universities used to be exclusively places of education but are now degenerating into places of indoctrination, you really think people are learning anything in those social justice courses? It's not like they've re-branded universities as political advocacy centres it's just that they've degenerated, hence how they're not completely terrrible. These are examples of course, you can disagree with them if you want I'm just trying to explain what the word actually means and how it's meant to be used not that 99% of the people who use it actually give a fuck, I just felt it necessary to point this out because I have the autism.

Group maintenance, probably derived from herd/pack instincts. Morality in its proto-form is simply following the rules of the herd, for the common and personal survival. The insticts leading to herd behaviour have then been refined through actual thought.

>trying to pretend morality isn't objective
>insinuating degeneracy is subjective
>cultural relativism

>Pre-established religious tradition
Going with this, but add layers of memetics. Societies united under a coherent moral systems had smaller occurences of public unrest, comparatively speaking, and won the competition against others.

The significance of 1 is that is it a multiple of all primes but only divides into itself. It is the prime normalizer in that sense and distinguished from all other primes. Any other prime cannot be divided by anything else than itself (creating 1) and 1 (reflecting back on itself). As a prime is divided by any other number, it is shattered into an infinite incomprehensible sequence. 1 is the commonality of the structure of primes and so every sequence can be translated through the number 1.

Infinity in 1 refers to dividing a unit infinitesimally. There are infinite sequences of numbers contained in the number 1. Everything that can be defined mathematically within these sequences.

If you randomly select a sub string of numbers with a sufficient size from the great word, you will begin to collect truths, falsehoods, and the chaos garbage sequences. Translate through the garbage while maintaining scope with a subset of truths and you will form different realities with a common basis and the generalities can expand out in any dimension to create emergent experiences so long as a new sequence is formed and locate able. So our reality might be some extreme unique combination of mathematical truths collected to describe a structure that can define our reality, but within all sets containing those common sequences, there will also be a lot of different sequences we can't explain or have conflicting information content.