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How do you feel about communism not working?

get involved

DUDE

Kill yourself faggot

national socialism- failed in 1945
communism-still present in north korea china and Venezuela

if you ask me national socialism doesn't work :^)

involved in what?

>national socialism

Notice the word SOCIALISM. Also North Korea is an example how communism doesn't work.

join your local antifa

make your country a country for all :)

you've never even been there, keep getting your right wing propaganda

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>Notice the word SOCIALISM

Nazism was just capitalism with a populist veneer. Fascism is capitalism in decay. It adopts thunderous rhetoric but ultimately failed.

Gass yourself kike.

National Socialism didn't fail, it was brutally brought to an end by the other superpowers.

so was communism, and communism is still here.
seems like national socialism did fail.

JUST

Communists don't like Israel though. And nobody admires Stalin other than a few hardcore tankies.

white genocide

>Communists don't like Israel though
they are jew puppets anyway
>and nobody admires Stalin other than a few hardcore tankies
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Let's get some lefty music comrades!

I'll start.
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Nice bait fag

>Implying leftists like the zionists who are occupying Palestine.

>Communists don't like Israel though

Fuck off retarded kike puppet autist

>Israel
>Identity politics
Not my comrades, family.

Kill your self you retarded cringy brainwashed retard

will you give me some money? im poor

I have that shirt. It's a really good shirt. 10 years old, no wear & tear, and the print has only started to flake.

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Implying Sup Forums isn't already absurdly left in their thinking.

What is this supposed to prove besides that israel is full of liberals who focus more on identity than class consciousness?

Why do you compare the Holodomore to the Irish potato famine. You claim the holodomore is not a genocide, yet to frame the the USSR as a good system you have to compare its action in a crisis to save its citizens with an Empire commiting genocide in order to subjugate another state. What the fuck are you thinking with?

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>falling for the captialist propaganda
The Soviet Union was a God tier country. Literally fucking over everyone else in accomplishments. Zero unemployment. Brilliant scientists, and they didn't steal them from Europe unlike the US. Landed a damn probe on Venus decades ago but you never hear about it. The US "won" the space race only at the end after losing in every other benchmark then declared it was over.

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why it is always people who never lived under communism who have romanticized fetish for it ?

it sucks

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>The Soviet Union was a God tier country
Why did people flee from it then? Why did several European countries have charities dedicated to poor people within the USSR? Why did Fridtjof Nansen get the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to negotiate so that food aid could be sent to Ukraine? Why did they accept it?

> Zero unemployment.
That's retarded,

>Brilliant scientists
Is this why Russia and Eastern Europe lagged behind the West and still does?

>and they didn't steal them from Europe unlike the US.
The Marshall Help is stealing? How does giving monetary aid (not loans) to rebuild nearly all of Europe constitute stealing?

because they've never experienced it
they've been coddled and sheltered their whole lives, the aspect of hardship and suffering that accompanies their ideology is beyond their level of comprehension.

>Also North Korea is an example how communism doesn't work.

Falling for the memes again I see.

You only think that because of all the ridiculous propaganda in our media.

All of North Korea's problems can be traced back to the barbaric trade sanctions imposed on them by the "free and progressive" western nations.

Of course a country that is banned from importing food is going to have trouble feeding it's population - that's why almost every country in the world was prone to famine before globalisation

>Leftists on Sup Forums

Hold up nigga.

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>nobody admires Stalin other than a few hardcore tankies.

Fuck off you trot cunt. Your kind aren't wanted here.

Question, how do lefties and Marxists handle the fact that their ideology is ultimately dysgenic? As in it rewards failure instead of incentivising success?

Also, how do you feel about "tall poppy syndrome"?

Requesting an honest answer.

Get fucked tankie.

You can't seriously be defending DPRK can you?

national socialism isn't socialism you fucking retarded kraut

No one's lived under communism since cavemen mate - no idea what you are on about

Leftism is good if there is a redistribution of gf. I guarantee I would have gf in soviet russia.

how do you feel about the slavic untermenschen raping ten thousands of muh aryan race women when their weak-as-fuck men folk got fucking wrecked by the "sub-humans" they so despise?

Eat shit commie

>why did people flee from it?
Every country has tards thinking the grass is greener on the otherside. Of course the capitalists decided to publicise this.

>zero unemployment is retarded
You're retarded

>Russia and Europe lagged behind
Fell for the propaganda again. They didn't. Look it up. The only key point in which they lagged was the development of nuclear weapons, which was thanks to the Jews in the US. I'm not being anti semitic, the Manhattan projects notable members was literally 99% Jews.

>the marshal plan is stealing?
Operation Paperclip.

Are you trolling?
I'm not sure
Unfortunately our "conservatives" in Ireland tend to be leftwing open border cuntbags, fuck the IRA

>Using tankie as an insult

What's your ideology? We should all just hold hands and pray that god gives us socialism.

Trots like you are no better than liberals. You secretly love capitalism, which is why you support an ideology that has no chance of ever overthrowing it.

Communism is only won through struggle against imperialist powers - which is why we should celebrate the achievements or countries like North Korea.

>All of North Korea's problems can be traced back to the barbaric trade sanctions imposed on them by the "free and progressive" western nations.
Why? They share a border with China, every aspect of trade could be settled with China, and they are not far away from Vietnam. This is like the case with Cuba, except here only the US is imposing sanctions, this excuse is used no matter what.

>Of course a country that is banned from importing food is going to have trouble feeding it's population
They get food aid from the West. and they can import food from China, Vietnam, Cuba, Bolivia, Brazil and several African states. If Zimbabwe had not fucked up their farming, they could import from them.

> that's why almost every country in the world was prone to famine before globalisation
No it wasn't, famines were rare. The only difference is that in the developed world, they are now non-existant. The closest thing you have is drought, like in Venezuela now.

Socialism is based as hell, people have just fallen into the Sup Forums hivemind

You're brand of communism can only exist in a society that comprises less than a dozen people or so, and one where everyone shares a close relation with one another.
Communism as practiced by modern nations that comprise of millions of people is nothing more than a method for poor nobodies to rise to prominence, become drunk with power, and slaughter their own people and culture.

Tankies have no clear objective to overthrow capitalism. They're social democrats at heart.

>when you listen to nigel farage

Still wanting an answer to if you guys believe this ideology is dysgenic. This is important.

How about form your own opinion then repeat a worthless platitude which has no basis in reality?

pls no

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> every aspect of trade could be settled with China

that's not how it works - China has the largest population in the world, and is hardly a first world country - they don't just have spare food that they can give out for free to feed an entire country.

>and they are not far away from Vietnam

Vietnam isn't a socialist country.

Also, you keep saying "North korea can buy from x country" when the reality is they can't, because no one will buy anything from North korea - meaning they have little to trade with.

Holy crap all those permavirgin autistic faggot leftypol shills from 8gag and their cringy memes.

You are an idiot.

"Tankies" are supporters of the only ideology that has actually led to the creation of successful socialist nation states.

Remind me of all the people who have lived in a Trotskyist country?

Fuck off commietards. Communism is a failed ideology that has never worked, and will never work.

>Soviet Union
>Successful socialist nation state

>Literally believes a totalitarian state capitalist regime is socialism.

What are Russell Brand's viewpoints? I've never really heard him speak.

>Stalin is a capitalist! I have done my research!

It IS my opinion.

I AM that guy who created that "platitude," either debate me or fuck off with your ad hominem, because that's what you just did. No seriously, I really am a very influential voice here, you must debate the non shitposting Australian to be taken seriously.

Fallacious posting should be a banable offence.

I'll address you directly then...

How do you feel about affirmative action and the redistribution of opportunities as a preemptive measure against "privileged" classes? Do you believe it's fair that different demographics have different standards applied to them rather than a strict meritocratic approach?

For more questions: Seriously, have you heard of tall poppy syndrome? Do you feel it's in any way appropriate for achieving equality?

>State capitalism
got to love these fresh trotskyist memes.

So we're not allowed any sort of transitory period before communism? We just have to suddenly completely change our entire society in the blink of an eye?

Also - that's literally what socialism is - a dictatorship of the proletariat.

If you can't handle that and prefer the comfort of a dictatorship of the capitalist class, then good.

Your views will never lead to any significant change.

>Every country has tards thinking the grass is greener on the otherside. Of course the capitalists decided to publicise this.
Yes, but there have never been a mass exodus from a capitalist country to a communist one. No one is building rafts to get from Florida to Cuba, and no-one fleed from England to Russia to escape poverty. There is no italian minority in Russia. The Berlin Wall was meant to prevent people from fleeing from East-Germany to West-Germany.

>Fell for the propaganda again. They didn't. Look it up.
This is litteraly the opposite what everyone who visited Russia after the fall of the USSR says, there is a reason why none of the migrants want to go to Eastern Europe. Moldova and Belaruss score below most of the Middle-east.
But, hey I can either trust a deluded commie on the internett or anyone that has ever traveled and compared any of the former USSR countries with a Western or Souther European country. And we know it's because of communism because of rapidly Eastern Europe is catching up.

>Operation Paperclip.
The Soviets also captured German scientists, if that's your best claim to back this up, you're retarded. The US taking 20-30 German scientist after WW2, is not "stealing from Europe".

>communism-still present in north korea china and Venezuela

and people still make sure to bump these threads

>Yes, but there have never been a mass exodus from a capitalist country to a communist one. No one is building rafts to get from Florida to Cuba, and no-one fleed from England to Russia to escape poverty. There is no italian minority in Russia. The Berlin Wall was meant to prevent people from fleeing from East-Germany to West-Germany.

Capitalists love to make this point. "look, at all these capitalist countries that are better off than communist ones"

Yes, but also look at all the countless capitalist shitholes that are immeasurably worse than communist countries.

The primary cause of a countries standard of living is it's geography - this has always been the case and only under full communism will this be able to overcome.

Also do you not think that maybe Socialism is a more appealing ideology to poor/downtrodden countries - and that's why many socialist countries are poor?

>Every country has tards thinking the grass is greener on the otherside. Of course the capitalists decided to publicise this.
expect virtually none immigrated to the Soviet Union, save a few double agents that were granted very comfortable lives for betraying their former country

>You're retarded
ad-hominem
not an argument and their was never zero-unemployment in the USSR

>Fell for the propaganda again. They didn't. Look it up. The only key point in which they lagged was the development of nuclear weapons, which was thanks to the Jews in the US. I'm not being anti semitic, the Manhattan projects notable members was literally 99% Jews.
Literally using Sup Forums's Jew boogyman argument, after bitching about identity politics and all the other bullshit letfypol spews.
Also who is Julius Klaus Fuchs
literally no argument

>Operation Paperclip.
The Soviets swiped up their fair share of nazi scientist after the war

>that's not how it works - China has the largest population in the world, and is hardly a first world country - they don't just have spare food that they can give out for free to feed an entire country.
It's the world second largest economy, they have 1 billion citizens and North Korea has 25 million people. Every now and then commies come on here and proclaim Chinas economic growth is proof of how superior communism is, despite being corrupted by capitalism to some extent it still produces this extreme aboundance. Now it's too dirt poor to do anything for it's allies or it's people. It can build ghost cities the size of New York, but it hasn't really quite learned how to grow rice and raise pigs.
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>Also, you keep saying "North korea can buy from x country" when the reality is they can't, because no one will buy anything from North korea - meaning they have little to trade with.
But, they can have labour camps in Russia, where North Koreans work as wood loggers for 5-10 years for the North Korean state.
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>tfw Marxists won't debate me

You're allowed a transitory period, but considering the ~5000 years of feudalism you need to accept at least 3000 years of capitalism, see how this works?

If we are to believe the Marxist dialectic (which totally looks like something Plato did and was even parodied in BSG by Gaius Baltar) and considering that capitalism is quite a lot more beneficial and successful than feudalism, isn't it fair that we spend as much time in capitalism as we did in feudalism? Why try to skip something that's doing quite well? Most technology is a direct result of capitalism and various industrial revolutions (plural).

>dictatorship of the proletariat
Isn't that just mob rule? Sorry bro, but that doesn't sound very appealing even at its most ideal

>significant change
Are you actually implying change should be pursued for its own sake? What if significant change is a bad thing against slowly tweaking our system into... Say... Something best described as syndicalism. This can even be achieved through libertarian ideologies, I can explain if you like?

So how do you feel about Venezuela which does have that geography? It's prime position to work well with America and completely shit on OPEC which is an oppressive, Islamic based theocratic authority and is an enemy against both the left and right.

He sure called himself a communist but that doesn't make him one and it certainly doesn't make the state he created communist.

This is the same shit as people who call north korea democratic because they're the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".

Look, we're all leftists here. This infighting is literally why we aren't getting anywhere.

If tankies start a successful revolution I'll be a fellow traveler but I don't think you can call (except maybe the very beginning) the soviet union's system of government a dictatorship of the proletariat. It degenerated really fucking quickly.

>So we're not allowed any sort of transitory period before communism?
Never said this. We'll need a transition period but I'm not sure what it will look like. There needs to be widespread class consciousness before a successful revolution. The soviet union wasn't ready, china wasn't ready.

Convince me senpai. Is totalitarianism really the only way you see transition period happening? It's certainly possible but we can't fill up gulags with half the country.

>So we're not allowed any sort of transitory period before communism?
You mean capitalist, imperialist and socialist phases? Yeah, it just that commie leadership needed arms to commence WW2 so agrarian shithole was hastily upgraded to industrial shithole and then froze there.

>dictatorship of the proletariat
That's funny way of spelling "dictatorship of the nomenklatura".

What are these arguments.

You are comparing the cost of running a single labour camp with the cost of feeding an entire country of millions?

So North korea should just spend on nothing but food - and let criminals run about in the streets, have no police etc.

It's an incredibly isolated socialist state - what benefit could they possibly gain from intentionally starving their citizens - as that is what you seem to be claiming?

>falling for Vice's propaganda
>not realising Vice is owned by Murdoch

>Yes, but also look at all the countless capitalist shitholes that are immeasurably worse than communist countries.
Such as? Name one that is not a wartorn country or in Africa.

>The primary cause of a countries standard of living is it's geography - this has always been the case and only under full communism will this be able to overcome.
Then how the fuck did all those Marxist-Leninst one Party states in Africa fail? The entirety of Sub-Saharan Africa is extremely abundant in all ways, whether it comes to the farming potential or minerals, metals, oil etc,

>Also do you not think that maybe Socialism is a more appealing ideology to poor/downtrodden countries - and that's why many socialist countries are poor?
Yes, I think the poverty causes them to make the poor decision of socialism. This way they shoot themselves in the foot.

want a dance?

>If we are to believe the Marxist dialectic (which totally looks like something Plato did and was even parodied in BSG by Gaius Baltar) and considering that capitalism is quite a lot more beneficial and successful than feudalism, isn't it fair that we spend as much time in capitalism as we did in feudalism? Why try to skip something that's doing quite well? Most technology is a direct result of capitalism and various industrial revolutions (plural).

Because Communism is more beneficial than Capitalism? As Marx said - communism is inevitable - automation will rip capitalism apart - the desires of the individual capitalist will be completely opposed to those of the capitalist system - but why not try to speed the process. Surely you want to see your ideal society come to some sort of fruition in your lifetime.

>Isn't that just mob rule? Sorry bro, but that doesn't sound very appealing even at its most ideal

No. it's just like any other dictatorship - except:

It's extremely democratic at a local level - even if it isn't at a national one

The leaders have the interests of the people in mind - and strive towards a communist society.

>So how do you feel about Venezuela which does have that geography? It's prime position to work well with America and completely shit on OPEC which is an oppressive, Islamic based theocratic authority and is an enemy against both the left and right.

venezeula doesn't have ideal geography by any stretch of the imagination. It has a tropical climate ffs - these countries have always struggled with food, disease, disaster etc.

Also proximity to the US will work against any socialist country.

if no one gives me money im going to get a gun and take it from you, i work too hard for this shit

Board moves so fucking fast it's hard to get long responses before the thread gets pushed off.

Up you go

>You are comparing the cost of running a single labour camp with the cost of feeding an entire country of millions?
No, it shows that they can do buisness with other nations. They work with South Korean buisness every now and then, it's why they like Choco pies so much.
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>So North korea should just spend on nothing but food - and let criminals run about in the streets, have no police etc.
No, but it shows that they can trade with other countries. Many countries don't care what the US thinks.

>It's an incredibly isolated socialist state - what benefit could they possibly gain from intentionally starving their citizens - as that is what you seem to be claiming?
No, I'm saying it unintentional. It happens because their system sucks.

>falling for Vice's propaganda
>not realising Vice is owned by Murdoch
On the other hand Murdoch is a jew, which would make sympathetic to communism and the suffering of goyim. Clearly this interest out-weighs his economic self-interests.

>Is totalitarianism really the only way you see transition period happening?

yes - because no other system has come close to achieving socialism.

Why mention gulags? you live in the country with the highest prison population in the world, so you don't really have anything to fear.

It's as Marx said - democracy can't be bent to the use of the proletariat - as our democracies are a creation of the capitalist class (obviously communist society would be democratic - but that would be a completely different type of democracy)

What are you even on about lad?

The revolution was undertaken in order to start WW2 - despite it's explicitly anti-war stance?

Hah! These white devils are all going to be dead in a few years.

The EU is our best hope for an enlightened future.

this. the EU will give me free money

>Venezuela
>Working

rare

>So North korea should just spend on nothing but food
North Korea literally only developed nuclear weapons as a bargaining chip to receive copious amounts of food relief from the UN.

>It's an incredibly isolated socialist state - what benefit could they possibly gain from intentionally starving their citizens
it has less to do with their starvation being intentional, and more to do with the Jon Un family not giving a fuck about people starving to death, as is the mentality with all communist leaders.

You hate capitalism so much then why don't you fuck off to Cuba or NK? Oh wait that is right
>"they don't follow muh infallible brand of socialism that has neva ben don before"
Yet here you are defending the absolute failure of a nation state that is North Korea, blaming all of its shortcoming on the ebil capitalists.

As someone who's family fled from a communist shit hole, and has visited said shit hole, go suck dick you fat squishy shit.

>Name one that is not a wartorn country or in Africa.

Why should I exclude these countries? Because they make you question your own "capitalism is brilliant narrative"?

Haiti, Bangladesh, swathes of India, SE asia are all examples though.

>Then how the fuck did all those Marxist-Leninst one Party states in Africa fail? The entirety of Sub-Saharan Africa is extremely abundant in all ways, whether it comes to the farming potential or minerals, metals, oil etc,

because those countries are incredibly prone to disease and famine owing to their location - as well as US proxies waging guerilla warfare throughout the country.

>Yes, I think the poverty causes them to make the poor decision of socialism. This way they shoot themselves in the foot.

Except socalism leads to a higher standard of living for these people? Obviously you have to take technological progress into account, but come on.

Russia went from a completely backwards nation that had a famine every couple of years, with the majority of the population living in slave like conditions - to the world's second most powerful country, with pretty average living standards, in the space of 30 years.

Yet supposedly this was a "poor decision" by the people of the Soviet Union.

They'll give us all free shit, comrade. Then we will truly be free.

>USSR
>Successful

well...if you say so..