Single NASA space shuttle launch:

Single NASA space shuttle launch:

1.5 billion dollars ($1,500,000,000.00)

SpaceX launch:

57 million dollars ($57,000,000)

Explain? Who's pocketing the money over at NASA?

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they are fucking incompetent using 1980 technology
its enough to get satellites into orbit, not much more and not intended for either

DoD and company for intercontinental ballistic missiles n’ shit

most of that money goes to coke parties

I would of tried to shut them down too.

Launching a Shuttle was more complex than launching a rocket.

The pongrabbits, of course.

Look, it's all perfectly understandable if you take the cosine of the banjo hat and pilleroof the qualbynakker. Then double the dillyboo and solve for x.

Simple as that.

By god I think you're on to something here user

NASA has to pay a hundred sub contractors for their parts that each have to make a living because they rely on government contracts themselves, and they dont give a shit about being economically viable because they dont have to.

SpaceX designs and manufactures their rockets from the blueprints up, and their hardware (the expensive part) comes back. Thats the power of free enterprise

The shuttle was a rocket, dumb ass.

government=overpriced toilets

what the fuck did I just read

Trump supporters tryna do math LOL!

>Explain? Who's pocketing the money over at NASA?

no-one.

first off, you're comparing apples to oranges there.
Second, your numbers are nonsense.
you are compating the construction cost of a shuttle not the single flight use
A single shuttle launch is priced at $450 million per mission.not 1.5 billion.

a more accurate cost is:
Single Falcon Heavy: 90 million dollars
single Delta IV Heavy: 400 million dollars.

Those are rockets in the same class, and payload mass category.

The SpaceX unit cost is massively lower because they have managed to develop landing of the rocket first stage after use. The Falcon Heavy's two side boosters have both been flown before. Nasa's rockets are destroyed in splashdown after launch, because they had not developed the technology to do a controlled landing.

Prior to the shuttle, every piece of a rocket was single-use - so you built an apollo rocket, and the crew modules, etc, launched it all, and every piece splashed down, (or was left on the moon)
With the shuttle, the main crew section landed, and was reused, but much of the launch rocketry was destroyed in splashdown (though some booster parts were reused.)

With SpaceX, the entire first stage now lands, instead of a splashdown.

In effect its like buying a new car every time the tank ran dry (nasa) vs refuelling it (spacex).

That's where the massive savings are - and Falcon Heavy will probably kill the Delta IV stone dead now. No-one in a year or two is going to be using a Delta IV rocket - not military, or civilian, when they can do it for 1/4 the cost with SpaceX.

nigger tryna do communication

heh heh

This

It was around 500 mils to launch it. And btw it crashed on landing.

This, space X just became the ups of earths orbit, companies will be throwing their money at them to get payloads out.

Launching a glider with 7 people on board as well as cargo is definitely not just a rocket

>Free Enterprise

Aaaaand technology advancements

This.

You think we should still have NASA? Private B took the rocket game but will they continue to do science for science sake. If SpaceX was here from the start they would have patents on every thing from microwaves to Velcro.

Because of free enterprise

1981 = 2018

You're right though. Must be free Enterprise

Thats the detriment of shitty companies resting on their laurels because they have government contracts that guarantee income.

Also the detriment of a government agency relying on private corporations.

Also keep in mind the space shuttle program was from the 80's into the 90's and so that generation of rocket technology was still an R&D project and NASA footed the bill to learn the right and wrong way to do things.

So SpaceX has decades of NASA progress to build upon to make their rockets. It's the same reason why a $500 desktop PC purchased today would have cost you a million dollars back in 1980.

>would of

Cease this retardation

isn't the tesla now off course and heading for the asteroid belt and not mars? think i remember this from somewhere

they confirmed that the orbit burn was higher than originally planned, putting it into a helocentric orbit close to the belt.

telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/07/elon-musks-spacex-rocket-heading-towards-asteroid-belt-overshooting/

will be interesting to learn if that was due to a failure, a miscalculation, or an unforeseen reason.

kek

Physics is so hard now

The best part which a lot of people seem to forget is that the Saturn V had double the capaicty of a falcon heavy and it was in use from 1967.

Act like it's rocket surgery or some shit.

That's funny how people trying to go on another planets. Why? We live for like 80 years. Travel to another earth-alike planet will be like 134214234 years. What's the point of all that searches and space ships? Invest this billions in real problems, not in some kiddos dreams you fucking shites.

Private sector always do things better.

Anything run by the government is shit.

Yes, but when you working at private sector you always on a hot seat, and when you work on the government you can be calm for the rest of your life.

Yeah thats exactly why they do things so much better. The government COULD do better.... they just don't feel like it today.

>I never did anything good in my life so I complain about other people not doing enough good in their lives

Yah, people that work for the government are fucking parasites.

It's not good that they can just fuck up and continue having a high paying job with huge benefits. Fuck them.

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But the private sector gets a patent on everything and will restrict access to new inventions, while public research benefits, well, the public

>That's funny how people trying to go on another planets. Why?

the earth is the cradle of mankind.
Man cannot live in the cradle forever.

Its not about doing it in your lifetime.
its about doing it in our species' lifetime.

however, if it was private, you wouldnt have (as just a few examples)
a microwave oven produced by 1000 companies,
non-stick pans.
velcro tabs on your clothing
a camera on your phone (the CCD sensor was a NASA development)
a mouse for your computer (first developed by NASA in the 60's)

and so on.

private business is all very well and good, but the public availability of nasa's technologies has changed everyone's life for the better.

Fuck our species.

>no velcro

If we can't transcend the need for physical bodies in the next few lifetimes, we won't be able to do it at all

We're headed the other way anyway, ever seen Idiocracy?

The fake alien androids who are gonna invade us one day are quite expensive

nasa had to do way more safety shit,pay more people,the rockets were not reusable ect

"This is the part that looks fake."
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......oops...

Retarded

ITT: huge fucking retards who have literally no idea wtf they're talking about.

This guy gets it. You never split the pigtails in the quantom tracktor. Unless of course it's spinning h. In that case you want to make damn sure the nerg is ready to decompress as soon as it upholsters.

Lol
>Im not going to live to see it so why do it
This attitude is why you will make absolutely zero impact on the future on mankind

Why isn't anyone mentioning ion propulsion?

No, the shuttle is launched by a rocket,along with its main engine, I.E shuttle is the "payload" of a rocket.

Aliens

thanks user

NASA is the epitome of a failed government enterprise. IN CAPITALISM WE TRUST. SOCIALISTS BTFO.

double? i onew saturn V had higher payload,but double?

don't patents have expiration date of sorts

says who?

The falcon heavy has the highest capacity of any rocket ever

its fake news.

probably payment of astronauts

that takes decades.

too close to quads for this retarded comment.

no it doesnt.

the Falcon heavy has a lift capacity of 63,800kg to LEO, or 13,000 to Lunar Injection Orbit.

Saturn V had a capability for 140,000kg to LEO (though it wasnt designed for that), and 41,000kg to LIO.

However, compensating for inflation, one Saturn V costs 1.16 billion dollars. One Falcon Heavy costs 90 million.

completely different systems for one from decades apart. also, why is it surprising to you that the government is stealing from the people? that's what they DO.

the car comes back... slams into Musk's House....

>ultimate 'Fuck you' from space

NASA is just another front for money laundering/disappearance.

And all along it was right infront of us..

just solve for X and we are saved

well the thing is Musk has fairly utilitarian ideals with his company, and that was the concept of having space agencies run by the government-- to maintain that which was in the public's best interest.

NASA will surely remain, but it's been a shadow of its former self for a long time. they get like 0.4% of the federal budget.

The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one

>Explain?
nasa is socialism or statism, spaceX is capitalism

And yet people just keep paying taxes and never hold govt accountable..

You all know you’re getting ripped off, but you all just complain instead of doing something about it.

Gov't expenditure sucks butt

"Give a government the Sahara and they will still find a way to have a shortage of sand"

NASA is a government funded business, they not only receive $$ from taxes but also from private companies/contractors.

or musk is a mutant, the ubermench

>government program gets to moon in 1969 with a rocket designed in 1967
>50 years later the private sector has a rocket that's 50% as capable as the rocket built in 1967
So, with the private sector it takes 50 years longer, but it saves money (that ends up in the pockets of the private sector). Hmmmm. It's almost like profit is their incentive, instead of scientific advancement.

>dumb ass
>a space shuttle is a rocket

Son, you gotta stop watching the anime

.....
why would the car end up on Mars??

altho that's pretty funny too...

The Shuttle also carried 7 humans. Thus, acres of conference meetings, cross-checks, sub-system analysis, source control, yadda yadda.

Don't forget - a lot of the Space Shuttle was also custom never-done-before stuff derived from some military systems, but not used for putting humans in space (SRB's for example).

Musk is smart, in that he's got a good working engine, and is just stacking them up to get more power. Like NASA did with the F-1, I might add. They needed more gimbal and redundancy for the SS, which is why they reduced the size.

Nothing taking away from what Musk and his team did. Good old capitalism at work too.

duh, it's fkkn NASA yo... like if there is anyone that is going to get mega backing, it would be a origionally Govt. funded program

stop being conspiracy faggs,.... the bullshit you think you know is the most Unimportant of it all anyway.... seriously, Can None of you see the big plan??? The End-Game??

Hopefully we don't blow ourselves up thru such mis-trust but we all are Human... and Humans are adventurous .... we want to live for ever , we all want to watch the Galaxies merge... we all want to be our own "gods" as it were

don't let the trolls win... trolls want to destroy everything and everyone just because...

Private enterprise vs. government

Who’s a conspiracy nut? All I said was nasa is a government funded business, which it is.

so should you.

the space shuttle was in fact comprised of five rockets:

two Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, solid fuel motors producing 13,800 kN each, and three Aerojet Rocketdyne RS-25 liquid-fuelled rocket engines mounted in the shuttle fuselage itself, producing 1,859 kN each, fuelled from both on-board cryogenic liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen propellant tanks, and the central main fuel tank jettisoned during launch.

So yes, the Shuttle is a rocket.

i know in the end we will not be the classic Humans we started as.... but we are meant to advance ourselves,... otherwise it would not be possible.... but for yay, there is no mystical being awaiting us.... just more advanced life forms wanting us to not be lame....

Not to get in the middle of your guys argument but shuttle/rocket they all blow up the same.

ik, i generalize at everyone just to cover all the bases....

however compensating for a technological gap of 51 years, it really is quite hillarious how people make this out to be such a big deal.

see this:
this dikweed is one of the trolls.... Kill him

The stuff that NASA has done, however is still amazing. No one else on planet earth has put men on the moon. NASA built and deployed the Hubble ST, which has revolutionized astronomy, as well as Voyager I and II, plus Viking, etc. I mean, NASA landed a rover on Mars which is still cruising around. Plus one on Titan (a moon of Saturn), etc.

That kind of science is not going to be done by a private company, because there is no money in it. So NASA still needs to exist. Musk will put people on Mars because it's cool, but he won't be doing it much after the first couple of times because it'll always be too damn expensive for anyone to pay for.

nasa=machine to defraud

Thats the difference between government funded shit (socialism) and privately funded shit (capitalism)
Enjoy your first economics lesson.

When you are playing with your own money you tend to be a bit more conservative.

China landed a rover on the moon as well, anything moon related is old news, first to mars is the new challenge.

Tide pods in space!!

fucking lol'd

thanks user

BTW, if I was Trump's Science Advisor, I'd tell him to quadruple NASA's budget, with an emphasis on planetary exploration like Galileo or Cassini. We should be drilling below the ice on Europa and sending an ROV down there to spy on the critters that no doubt live in the water there. This is some exciting shit.

They'd probably rename a Planet for him if he did. Maybe we'd have "Trumpanus". kek.

Look at that flat earth.

They should have made it so starman could move his head and arms, definitely would have freaked out a few people.