dopamine.I try hard to think about if there is more to life than achieving pleasure, avoiding pain, and maybe going through pain to achieve even greater pleasure. That's formula of all sentient life.But after so many billions of years of evolution, it's hard to break free from them. Thoughts about getting new shiny things, sex with an attractive partner, achieving status just feel too good for the mind to break free from them even upon the reflection that they are just a trick of the mind, feel good mechanism.How can we even trust anyone if practically everyone is dopamine junkie? Even people with high self-discipline, they merely have ability to delay gratification for even higher dopamine reward, they don't posses the ability to complete shut off all emotions and wants.Most people would fuck us over at any second in exchange for some hypothetical big reward, things their mind truly desires that they are afraid to say. It's the 'just name the price' scenario.When I am acting upon my desires, or simply avoiding pain, I don't see myself as nothing more than a selfish biological mechanism. Slave to my own biology. But unfortunately I don't see there's nothing to do, that doesn't fall into that formula, except maybe suicide, breaking free from this biological cage.I can see antinatalism only as an act of true virtue. Preventing from being consciousness trapped into this endless dopamine treadmill, vehicles for DNA.Am I wrong somewhere in this analysis?
Dopamine.I try hard to think about if there is more to life than achieving pleasure, avoiding pain...
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Could be my argument were ironically emotionally driven, not sure what to think anymore. I honestly can't see why people think that life is a good thing, even with pleasure. I don't see pleasure as a good thing. Look at the asymmetry of pain and pleasure, imagine the worst possible pain, and imagine the best pleasure you ever felt. They are not comparable. No one would feel worst pain in exchange for best pleasure. Worst pain will go on continuously until source of pain dissappears, pleasure lasts almost only for a brief moment, to the point where it turns to pain(disgust, boredom, depression).
ne here despises that they have 'wants' and 'needs'? Those deep seated instincts, evolutionary adaptions, brain mechanism to get that sweet, sweet reward, dopamine.I try hard to think about if there is more to life than achieving pleasure, avoiding pain, and maybe going through pain to achieve even greater pleasure. That's formula of all sentient life.But after so many billions of years of evolution, it's hard to break free from them. Thoughts about getting new shiny things, sex with an attractive partner, achieving status just feel too good for the mind to break free from them even upon the reflection that they are just a trick of the mind, feel good mechanism.How can we even trust anyone if practically everyone is dopamine junkie? Even people with high self-discipline, they merely have ability to delay gratification for even higher dopamine reward, they don't posses the ability to complete shut off all emotions and wants.Most people would fuck us over at any second in exchange for some hypothetical big reward, things their mind truly desires that they are afraid to say
Anyone
no not wrong.
What's your point?
Is there a question in there?
Is birthing children immoral?
From the point of view that life is meaningless and more pain than pleasure, then I suppose it could.
Also knowing that the world is currently a shit show and who knows how the climate will be in a few decades.
If you are bent on having kids, there is an easy solution: adoption.
Those kids are already in this fucked up world anyway.
Ascension.
Losing emotion for something you dont understand.
your true purpose is to be a king of kings and rejoice with the others in eden.
Live to die a saint, and you will hold no pride in how glorious you are.
No dopamine. No compulsory to sin.
Its frustrating for us humans to have the ability to think like that but not have the answers. Its fukin depressing
Key , I am fucking going through same thing now OP .
I am tired of thinking , thinking & thinking .
Thought about dying many times .
But I guess this what about life is .
You came too play , play it however you choose .
Why do you seek meaning?
>>You came too play
No I didn't. I never chose to come. I don't want to play this game. I want to stop being addicted to dopamine.
I don't seek it anymore, I know what I am: a survival machine for genes. No meaning but that.
I want to starve to death
Will with aid of appropriate lifestyle.
Those who have come to play are damned.
Great! Enjoy!
If you've come to Sup Forums looking for a reason to find life worth living, you've come to the wrong place.
People tell others to kill themselves over the smallest shit here, let alone an actual existential crisis.
If you need meaning in your life, you have to make it yourself. No one is going to do that for you, nor CAN they.
You will always have your biological constraints, thats just something you need to accept or it will drive you mad.
I am a fairly happy person because I can compartmentalize, and avoid the thought that all of this life is ultimately for nothing. But I'm not gonna let that shit stop me from having one hell of a ride anyway.
Do you believe in karma? I've considered the afterlife many times and have essentially constructed what I believe to be a "logical" explanation for life. But you are you own god, as a smart man once said, so follow your gut... literally, you have most of your serotonin receptors located there.
But I don't want to enjoy! I want to stop needing. I want to starve to death
What do you mean.
It bothers you so, yet you let it defeat you, saying; 'you dont seek it anymore.'
You have come to the conclusion that you are easily defeated, not that you are a machine for genes.
>>If you need meaning in your life, you have to make it yourself
I really don't like this sentence. There is no real meaning to be made. Only dopamine chasing. Life is fundamentally meaningless. I think the only possible meaning to life is to end it. Don't play a game you didn't agree to play. Don't be another slave of a blind process.
why
That's just wishful thinking mate. Come to terms with the sad truth.
s/fur
>can't hypnotise yourself as easily as you can others
>can grant people all kinds of amazing experiences but other people are shitty hypnotists and can't do the same for you
Spell anarchy
Your assumption is that biology is wrong.
Which is wrong.
Yes, your purpose biologically is to reproduce. Consciously though it is whatever you want. Stop thinking you're so deep and revolutionary. It's simple what you want, and your body rewards you for it, what it doesn't, you feel pain. What's wrong with that?
If your counter argument is
>Injection of drugs
That shit isn't natural. So you shouldn't. Surprise surprise.
And if I may project, is assume your real problem is with society, and you don't agree with it. So you just assume whatever society at large agrees with must be "bad". Which is over generalizing and elementary school simplistic.
No, I've come to the conclusion that there is nothing to look for. There is no real meaning to be found. Do you think otherwise?
Starving is actually great for your dopamine receptors. You should at least enjoy the results with some good cocaine.
So I can stop being a slave to the the blind cruel process that got me here.
Half of me thinks this is fake because it repeats itself halfway through but still curious...
This sounds like some shit I'd think up on LSD, are you on LSD or having serious thoughts about life right now, op?
Yes. And people have gone to great lengths searching for it. Isolating themselves from societies temptations. Only the greatest truth can free you. That all that you know is wrong.
>>and your body rewards you for it
The reward doesn't come near to be equal to the way to it. Evolution didn't make us to be happy and peaceful, it made us to never stop needing. Never stop wanting.
I actually stole it from reddit 0.0
Well did they ever found anything?
Everything that needs to be let go of is very hard to let go.
If you lived a life based off the formula: Stop doing things that make you feel shame, and lead a life so on that will prevent you from being shameful, you would essentially be an A+ student of christ.
Why is this better than killing myself?
Interesting post, antinatalism, hm... sounds edgy but I guess I could see why some people have these thougths...
Because you would then be ready to die
Did you know that if you travel far enough out into space, you'd eventually come across a planet with the EXACT molecular structure of the Earth according to mathematics. One where you are reading this very message. In fact, if space is infinite, as all evidence so far suggests, there's an infinite amount of you's having this exact same moment.
You cannot escape the process.
Op is not wrong, we became sentient because of these genes and we can't avoid them (yet) now. We are exposed to pain, hunger and diseases in a daily basis and if we could ponder the pleasures and pain we had our whole life, maybe, to some, the pain would win... Fortunately, Op is painting life as a Black and White picture... Life is not all about sweet and sour, there's joy in suffering too. Camus knew that... All in all, there is way that you can paint as a Black and White choice: wheter you exist or you don't. Which one looks more interesting? You may know the tools of life, but you don't know a way to live, find one.
It is edgy, but it is true. Read into it.
I am ready now.
>reward doesn't come near
Subjective, and mostly false. If you didn't enjoy it then find something else to do.
>evolution didn't....
All organisms are like that. Name one that decides it just doesn't need water anymore.
I would say OPs analysis of life is correct. Treadmill of life and all that being a good analogy. If that final sentence about analysis being correct I would say yes and end the conversation.
The implied question I read from OP is "this is wrong. Is there more/a way to break the cycle? "
To which I'd ask the question "why?, its been perfected throughout generations of breeding"
And that's not to mention Hugh Everetts Many-worlds interpretation.
mm I think you mean the muliverse..
Anyway, it don't see why it matters. My suffering and consciousness is the only real thing I know of
Not that user, but you're only here once why not live life to the fullest and see what it has to offer? No one knows the meaning of life and most who think about it as simply as "There is no meaning. Maybe I should just kill myself." are missing out on good shit life does have to offer. We all have ups and downs in life, but constantly worrying and thinking about bad shit isn't a way to live. You'll never find any meaning in that.
Thats based on mathematics based on the false belief that infinity exists.
>>To which I'd ask the question "why?
Because it is a pointless cycle of suffering. Would you press a button that will make you feel the worse possible pain and then the best possible pleasure?
That's actually one of the biggest objection to most of our unsolved mysteries. Although the biggest, only a handful of people take it seriously. Tossing infinities, as far as we can tell destroys more than it solves.
The problem is that the good shit doesn't come close to equal the bad shit.
eh?
I dont think you are now. But if that time does come, you wont.
The intention to face your own mortality will result in you being someone entirely different.
A king.
Bla bla bla
Pain happens so infrequently though. It's brief, and rarely life long.
Pleasure is equally brief, but can be replicated easily, and progressively more satisfying (mastering a hobby)
You just sound like a bitch making excuses to not be happy. Pain is not a constant in life, git good and avoid, or at least mitigate it.
The belief in infinity is the root of all fiction.
I suggest you read the bible. Fiction it very well may be, but, it is the greatest fiction to ever be written.
And what makes great fiction?
Addiction hurts. When you chase dopamine you will not always get it. Why bother
You sound like a depressed edgy teenager. Again, we all have ups and downs. Every single person on this planet goes through bad shit, some have it a lot worse than you and they decide to keep going. Why focus on the negativity instead of working on the things to make your life better?
>universe is infinite
I've grown up an ultra-ortodox-jew. Read the bible all day every day. Ultimatively it's about inventing useful fictions (God and justice) to try to give life meaning. It still isn't real. Still sustains the cyrcle of meaninless life
>The belief in infinity is the root of all fiction.
If I were to debunk infinities, I'd flip it on its head and debunk it using fiction.
By taking the simulation theory seriously, infinity might for us just be a bad approximation of something similar to an INT_MAX.
But this is a very smart way of thinking. Alot of poor souls get this far and stop, feeling defeated.
The question haunting their every consciousness.
Life is a battle between your body and your mind. Break free or master both.
Why not?
Why go through the effort of making life better when you can just end it?
I can agree that living at its most base value could be defined as an addiction. But again, so what? Why is that wrong?
>addiction hurts
No it doesn't in this sense, it what allows you to live.
>you will not always get it
You will with time
>why bother
Because I'm not a bitch
You said it earlier, the realization that all you need to do is survive to accomplish your mission in life. Congrats, YOU MADE IT. Everything else now is the bonus round for you to enjoy the benefits.
Life is really fucking easy. So is being happy. Just find what rocks your socks and pursue it.
This is officially bait. I'm out. No way someone is this closed minded.
the problem is depression is a psyop developed by pharma over the decades and Sup Forums is the manifestation of it. Sup Forums is the asshole of the Internet and people who spend too much time here are perpetuating said psyop.
the truth is depression can be controlled. you can really choose to be happy no matter the circumstance. you are you. you are your emotions. negativity is a virus like the flu but it's not as controlling as the flu. The flu you can't control. you just have to wait it out. Depression, you can turn it off if you choose to. Most people have never actually tried it and believe they have a chemical imbalance or are mentally ill, but that's what pharma wants you to believe, so they can sell you not a cure, but something that doesn't make you happy, but makes you feel like a zombie. those anti-depressants are actually more harmful because just like the flu, you're inviting a zombie-virus into your system.
You are nothing more then a stone, a bunch of molecules. You are allready dead, so what is life?
Be glad you get to experience dopamine, and the pain with it, no pain no gain
Well I (op) got kinda seek of repeting my Mantra over and over, so good night and hopefully I won't wake up
Ah.
Have you ever thought that you could be like jesus? What would it take?
That could very well be done.
but can emptiness be quantified into an infinity? Whats really between each celestial body?
How can something infinite being in expansion? Infinite is just a meme created by tiny small brain creatures like us that can't see the bigger picture, even time is finite. Believing in something infinite is about the same concept as believing in god.
>pic for the thread
I get it now, you're just a bitch making excuses. If you feel life is that pointless, why are you here questioning it? Just end it all if you truly feel that way.
We'll soon start to see people spending most of their time in VR. When It comes to peripherals I'd suggest the VR-FleshLight 9000, the Dopamine-injector 4.0, and going through with the soylent tube operation.
>said the animuh watcher
go suck a chinks dick and go back to Sup Forums pls
Maybe you cannot think of a good reason to live, because thought is impotent.
Try feeling something true.
nullptr.
oh man, life will be so fking SWEET! IM SO FKING READY
You are either a fool or too weak to let go of the things you so detest to achieve ascension. Just die so we can climb over you then. thats all youd be doing for yourself... Falling.
Do mushrooms
referring toWhat do you think makes good fiction?
Maybe think of yourself as more than a reactive bag of flesh and bones.
It's the mindset, that's makes your concept of reality. Find ways to change that and it will not seem like this pathetic form of chemical slavery we all appear to be under
Me too, I mean, this is literally going to start happening within a decade.
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Give someone who got dealt a shitty hand the chance to experience a halfway decent life so they can post about it on future/b/
That would entail there being no distance either? That the moon is infinitely a distance away?
Only illumination and power cultivation can rise you above the biological chain.
I know right!! hahahah, its fking evolution at its best. You dont see no fking monkeys doing this shit. We just launched a FKING CAR INTO FKING ORBIT HAHAHA
Not enough porn ITT
damn you really threw me with this c++ stuff
Im only an html baby
>That the moon is infinitely a distance away?
Naah, there are other ways of solving it. every single object could have a relative position to something else. then what is the first thing linked to? The last one of course!
Creativity and timing. Julio Verne was a god among people until the Hollow Earth theory became a joke. Some fictions are good for hundreds of years, even thousands, but at some point they will become obsolete.
Given enought time even the genre of fiction is limited. Even now, with approximately 3000 years of writing we already can see patterns on our piece of fictions.
Any more of this?
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It's simple really
Hah, sure thing!
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You are a faulty vessel of DNA. Report to vessel maintenance as soon as you can for repairs and general upkeep.
Remember you are simply along for the ride with this civilization inside of you.
u guys like talk to much =]