Can anyone on Sup Forums actually refute this?

Can anyone on Sup Forums actually refute this?
Wouldn't we be better off if guns were safely locked up by the government
You would still be allowed to use them to go shooting however they wouldnt be just floating around

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THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

They're going to always be floating around

Shall not be unfring'd

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>unmuting TYT
>ever

No, we wouldn't.

what if i need my gun in the middle of the night because some freak broke into my house.

will i be safer with the government holding my gun for me there, you faggot shill-cuck?

Fuck off shill

6 minutes in and I'm still waiting for something to refute. All I've heard so far is him completely failing to understand the argument against gun free zones and oh, he just went for the very original "lol conservatives just need guns to compensate for their small dicks".

Here we go real argument finally. He thinks that people should be allowed to own firearms but those firearms should be held in a guarded location by the government and if you need your gun - his example is to go hunting - then the government will allow you to take your gun for a short period.

One, anyone with the slightest familiarity with human history knows exactly why the founders were so adamant that the population be armed and why virtually every successful dictator or genocidal head of state has made disarming the populace one of their first objectives.

Two, I fail to see how his proposal would prevent school shootings. People spend a while preparing for these things, they're not spur of the moment decisions. Why couldn't some guy decide he wants to shoot up his school, go get his gun from the friendly government officials, and proceed with his plans?

Bonus:

>tells us to "read the whole second amendment"
>harps on "well-regulated milita" portion
>fails to actually read the whole second amendment, specifically the bit at the end
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED BY TURKROACHES

Daily reminder that an armed populous protects innocent civilians from the following:

Thieves
Crazed gunmen
Muggers
Physical assaulters
An overreaching and oppressive government
Foreign invaders

Daily reminder that disarming the populous removes guns from everyone except the following:

Thieves
Crazed gunmen
Muggers
Physical assualters
An overreaching and oppressive government
Foreign invaders

That said Cenk is redpilled as fuck

youtube.com/watch?v=3Y1LIAE8FlQ

Ya. 3AM, a junkie is climbing through my window.

Hang on guy... I have to run down to the police station, fill out some forms, give my fingerprints, wait 24 hours, and THEN I can stop you from murdering me.

Bottom line... the gun grabbers believe that you should allow yourselves to be murdered in defense of their political ideals.

These people don't believe that the government would ever do anything bad to them and these people live in isolated white communities. In places where there is a real threat of physical harm from other citizens, even the liberals are pro-gun.

I have a friend who is as extreme a sjw as you can be. She's heavily into every leftist cause you can name, she hates America and white people, absolutely a feminist, so on and so on. She grew up in the state capitol with a large black population and has seen plenty of bad shit firsthand. She's somehow managed to still be on the "blacks are poor victims" side of things but even so, she always carries a knife and has told me that the only thing stopped her from carrying a gun is that she's suicidal frequently enough that she's worried she would use it on herself.

The only leftists who are actually anti-gun are the ones who live in ivory tower gated communities and have never lived in and don't believe that there are places in this country where a person might need a gun for self defense. They think that examples like are complete myths that would never happen in real life.

>Kasparian
>Working for a network called the young turks
Is she the ultimate cuckquean

>Ay yo Jamal
>Ya Tyrone
>Ya heard about dat new gun regulation nigga
>Sheeeit. Wat we gonna do now?

I'd genocide her cunt if you know what I mean

He's redpilled now.

youtube.com/watch?v=3Y1LIAE8FlQ

Care to explain how we're going to stop the flow of illegal firearms flooding in from the southern border?

Not to mention if you go to any white community that is armed to the teeth, in their homes, in their cars or on their person, the violent crime rate is comparable to most European nations

Long story short: stop linking to TYT's clickbait.

Yes indeed!

They totally have great insight about how grabbing guns away would dramatically change the face of the landscape of the 6'o clock popcorn massacre!

With all that policing done and getting in the way of all those aspiring spree killers, a shooting spree would be many, many, MANY percentage points harder!

This would create MASSIVE room for vehicular massacres!

Just like that Bosnian in Graz Austria pulled off.

>Ya lets ban a thing because sometimes it hurts people. That will stop the thing because all the criminals who shoot people always follow the law.

They tried this exact same thing with the war on drugs and look where it got them. Drug addicts became criminals instead of getting the help they need and drugs of all kinds are poor across the boarder and readily available if you know the right people. Why would you trust a government that has demonstrated for the past century that it cannot regulate illicit good well at all. The same thing happened during prohibition. In addition, if you take all the guns, you are not only breaking the second amendment but now the government is in a much stronger position to become a tyrannical and totalitarian state.

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get out

and then deny it?

Imagine if you were a dumb nignog down on his luck. Imagine now that becaus of societal values, firearms have become as commonplace in the american households as a computer. Now as a dumb desperate nigger, do you try to break into a home and steal shit or keep sucking on that welfare teet while your mcdonalds job application is being processed? Niggers do niggerish things because odds are they'll get away with it. Put a gun in every home and watch home break ins birtually disappear.

>owning guns is addictive

I did not have genocidal relations with that pussy

Why are you friends with an SJW?

>*lack of reading comprehension intensifies*

Mexico, Brazil.

>I'll be in my bunk

Oh, somebody doesn't own a Sig or any accessories on their AR.

AS PART OF A WELL REGULATED MILITIA

Get your head out of your ass, kid.
If the bad guys want guns, they're going to have guns. Someway, somehow. Having the government take guns only renders the citizens defenseless. Also
>2nd amendment
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

W H O I S T H E M I L I T I A

fucking faggot cuck

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Certainly not the US citizens, because they can't shoot a fucking gun to save their lives. Literally.

Because unlike leftists, I don't base my opinion of a person's worth on their political beliefs. She knows I'm on the conservative side of things but has no idea how extreme some of my views are because, as a leftist, she'd probably decide to end our friendship over it. I often listen when she goes on political rants but we rarely debate and I always hold back very heavily when we do.

It's very, very good to be familiar with how other people see the world, especially people who have viewpoints that are wildly different than your own. Seeing screenshots of tumblr posts or watching a TYT video is not the same as interacting with these people on a personal basis and I'd really encourage everyone here who hasn't already to make some friends who really disagree with them. You will never learn anything by surrounding yourself with like minded people and you will never learn to defend your views unless they're frequently challenged.

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This is probably the most relevant post in this thread.

>tfw preferred her chubby
>tfw feels are sooooo 2015

Man fuck these media roaches. Why has nobody killed fuckers like this? I mean honestly, some people just need to be killed.

Everyone is part of the militia

she's so hot, like didn't she even realize her ironic sexy poses would be boner fuel for more than half of her audience? how stupid

Under that policy we'd still be under British rule

One, anyone with the slightest familiarity with human history knows exactly why the founders were so adamant that the population be armed and why virtually every successful dictator or genocidal head of state has made disarming the populace one of their first objectives.

I don't really have an opinion on US gun issues either way, but I find this a bit silly. Have you taken a look at the US military lately? If the government wanted to go dictatorial with military force, your guns aren't going to do much to stop them.

Im still going to keep mine though because thats what the politicians would do and they represent us after all.....

they're pretty good for leftists. a lot of what they say is insightful and they seem pretty reasonable. i don't agree with most of what they say but at least they support bernie over hillary

Meant to greentext first paragraph, obviously a quote.

Of course she realized. Compare to "ironic" shitposting.

Look at this burger faggot spewing his magical peice of paper

ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
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Stop the ATF from selling them to Mexican's in the first place?

Supreme court already destroyed the militia argument. Every citizen IS the militia. You and me are the militia. It was done that way because a privatized militia by the government could be used against us.

Dc vs Heller (2008) the second amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purpose, such as self defense within home. The amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. The prefatory clause comports with the court's interpretation of the operative clause. The "militia" comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The anti-federalists feared that the federal government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizen's militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizen's militia would be preserved. The court's interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the second amendment. The second amendment's drafting history , while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state second amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Interpretation of the second amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the court's decision.

Shut up kike, the governement is shit.

The enite military is a part of the well regulated militia. You're assuming that the military would follow the government's orders instead of a significant amount revolting or deserting because they refuse to attack civilians. The US military could never conduct air strikes or use tanks against it's populace without global outrage and if you believe the Russians or Chinese won't train Americans against their government you're being foolish. Our government cannot commit itself to complete control of the country without disarming us because any actions it takes against us will only hurt it's side of the war

>Midwestern whites
>Southern whites
>Trained to shoot since 10 years old
>Go to range regularly
>A large portion of them go into the military

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person."

or

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."

Well thanks to Supreme Court, we are all members of the militia now buddy! Scalia did good before he died!

So why is "to stop the government from oppressing me" an argument? I agree the military wouldn't do it. Neither would the police. Both of which are much more heavily armed than you.

Your safety, the fact that its in the constitution all sound like reasonable arguments however.

USA is in police state mode

there will be lots of shots fired

and more to come.

You silly Americans should give up all your weapons yo the government and let them handle things like here in Mexico, it's widely known that Mexico thanks to this has very low crime rate and gun violence.

The US government would be obliterated if they want full civil war on the population.

you forget to turn on your proxy? faggot.

>we are all members of the militia now
We always were

>locking up a person's property
>locking up a person's means of self defense

no, everything about that is wrong. my girlfriend should be able to defend herself against muggers and rapists and also she should be able to keep her own personal property in her own possession. everything about that idea is literally controlling and oppressive. i haven't ever taken TYT seriously and i probably can't because they're ideas are fuckbrain retarded

We have some gun free cities. Their shooting crime rates are high as fuck. The criminals are armed, because they give no fucks for laws, and the law abiding citizens are without defense, because the unconstitutional laws have fucked them. The government is doing a pretty shit job of what you're proposing already, and you wanna give them more power to do an even worse job? Lolno. Get bent fgt.
>Shall not be infringed

>Ana is past her prime
> soon she will go the way of the megyn and cut her hair

It was good while it lasted

Because the government CAN oppress. Government naturally has the ability to oppress anyone and everyone. The bill of rights isn't rights given to us by the government, they're rights afforded to us by God/life/the fact that we're human beings. They cannot take it or any of our other rights from us and if they try they're being oppressive and the second amendment is our best bet to defend ourselves from said oppression

But it took Scalia and 4 good souls to affirm that fact for all the liberals to cry over.

anyway why the fuck do Turks give a fuck about murka

the place is a dying empire


go worry about turkey or something and let mexicans worry about murka

there's this really hot blonde chick on CNN with a short bob cut i don't know her name but she looks kind of like kate mara... check her out

Have they responded to the news That Germany acknowledges the Armenian genocide?

Assuming you remove your 2nd amendment magically:
If ~50% of a population wants something, it will probably happen. Last checked, in America people wanting guns is way over 50% and weed is near 50%.
I personally hate both...

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Fuck y'all

Top rekt

>why is "to stop the government from oppressing me" an argument
Look up Battle of Athens. Armed citizens going through the government bureaucracy to stop voting rigging withno results and taking the ballot box for themselves
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>Both of which are much more heavily armed than you.
If they use too much force- i.e. nuclear bomb, they kill all of us and have nothing to rule over.

I did the calculations before, but basically if you took all part time and full time personnel from all military branches and all law enforcement from all levels of government, it would still not meet the young adult male population- also considering that there are 10 guns per capita in the US, and house to house fighting isn't a great place for tanks.

All this working under the assumption the US armed forces would turn guns on a rebellion.

Most likely not. Certainly not tanks or drones.

Yes, trust the fucking government to all power. Bend over like proper cattle to the entrenched oligarchical systems, that's totally in the spirit of democracy. (I support forms of denying it to criminals or the mentally unstable)

>Wouldn't we be better off if guns were safely locked up by the government
>safely locked up
>by the government

I don't think you understand what the purpose of the 2nd amendment is. The fact that you entrust the government with your life and liberty is unnerving.

There's nothing to refute. It's our right, and by that virtue it needs no other justification.

>Wouldn't we be better off if guns were safely locked up by the government
Have cenk tell the Armenians that

kys

>if guns are illegal only criminals will have guns
Nigger do you really think making things illegal helps? It makes it worse and creates and unregulated black market.

>So why is "to stop the government from oppressing me" an argument?
Because Jefferson was a paranoiac senpai

Still, we don't really have a big problem with guns. In white areas, there is very little gun violence.

You are a retard to think the vast majority of our soliders would turn on american citizens

I'm presuming it's advocating for the right to bear arms to be infringed. Well, the dude is in a very strict gun state, all but eliminating the 2nd ammendment, and shootings are still happening, so the next course of action would have to be the abolition of arms.

But the 2nd Amendment is so important that it is only superseded by the first, the right to free speech. Let's take a look at some other countries where there is no right to bear arms. How about any country in the EU, where free speech is abolished, and anything that the EU leader considers hate speech is censored, even online.

Or Venezuela, where there hasn't been guns in a long time, and the people are literally eating their pets as the government socialist programs are collapsing (but their military is working just fine at suppressing their own citizenry).

The 2nd Amendment is important because it ensures that no other rights will be unlawfully infringed upon by the government.

Ever? You're willing to say that I would be a retard to think the vast majority of our soldiers would turn on US citizens 100 years from now, for example? What about 500? What about 1000? How could you possibly hold that opinion, and still hold the mantle of "the one who is reasonable?"

You can't. And the entire reason that the military won't turn on citizens is because the US isn't dependent on their government. Take that way, and what happens?

Number of active duty soldiers plus reserve are FAR OUTNUMBERED by lawful gun owners. The armed forces would face large casualty counts on both sides of it opted for war against the citizenry... Guerilla warfare... You name it.

Imagine a band of 1,000 men armed with automatic rifles laying siege to a marine installation defended by 50 armed duty soldiers... Many of the 1,000 may die, but you best believe they would take control of the hardware at that base.

Taliban fighters ran amok on highly trained US soldiers...

Your excuse is absolutely unfounded

>Armenian woman working for a Company Named after a Turkish Death Squad

The reason the 2nd amendment exists was because anti-federalists wanted a failsafe in the case that the government eventually grows too large and becomes tyrannical, anti-federalists wanted the people to be armed so that they could overthrow the tyrannical government and replace it with one of the people again. This has been and will always be the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment with home defense/self-defense being a close second.

You can't defend your home from an invader if you have to drive down to city hall to pick it up

That, sure.
But the cartel also manufactures them

Is it not?

>Wouldn't we be better off if guns were safely locked up by the government

one word:

Venezuela

aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/venezuela-delays-nicolas-maduro-recall-referendum-160602191659878.html

Nice

Tell that to the Koreans Vietnamese afghans and Iraqis who resisted US occupation