What is harder?

what is harder?
hitting a baseball or scoring a direct freekick?

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Hitting a baseball where, though? Just hitting it? Hitting a home run?

Considering the FK gets converted about 5% of the time, seems like it's more difficult.

>what is harder?
muh dick

I read somewhere that "Hitting a Baseball: Is It the Hardest Thing to Do in All of Sports" so I was asking our specialists down here.

I mean it's hard as hell to hit the ball in a way to benefit your team or at will in the direction you want it to go.

I get it, but is it harder than scoring a direct free kick?
from about 25-30 meters, with a wall and a goalkeeper: Pogba scored one for the France team after 60 attempts

If you mean getting a base hit or better against an MLB pitcher, definitely that.

If you mean just getting some kind of contact, scoring a free kick is probably harder.

free kicks are probably harder but you don't have to do it as much. a typical baseball player will be asked to hit the ball about 500 times every season, and the best in the game have a below .500 average.

Could you give a stat on this? Like in % how many base hit or better?

I have this for probably the 2 best football player of today

rate is 4% for CR7

Baseball hitting stats are shown with an average out of 1%.

IE, a batter hitting .268 is getting 298 base hits every 1,000 at bats. Most players hit somewhere between .200 and .300. If you can bat .350 for a season, you're a superstar. And no one's finished a season over .400 in half a century.

>american education

Sorry, I fucked that up. 100% is 1.000. And .268 is 268 hits obviously.

It really depends, if I grabbed some random dude off the street and asked them to try to do both I'm sure I'd find more can do a free kick goal vs hitting an MLB pitcher for a basehit.

I just saw my local 4th tier team get scored on a direct free kick on Saturday, and these are all basically college kids.

Hitting a ball into play against an MLB pitcher is probably harder

.268 means 26,8%? that's pretty steady.

why not posting the average distance? messi only take pretty close fks

Even if the pitch is a slow down the middle ball, a free kick is still easier

The best hitter in the world's best baseball league (Daniel Murphy in MLB) hit the ball 34.7% of the time in 2016. The best free kick taker in the world's best soccer league, Lionel Messi in the Spanish league, scores from direct free kicks about 8.02% of the time.

However, just hitting the ball doesn't actually earn you any points. It's similar to just getting a free kick on target, which Messi does 32.3% of the time.

Scoring from a direct free kick is more like hitting a home run. o if you're asking "what's harder, hit a home run or scoring a direct free kick", then hitting a home run is a little harder, but not by much. The best home run hitter last season (Mark Trumbo) did it 47 times in 613 attempts, a conversion rate of 7.6%. So it seems like hitting a homer and scoring a direct free kick are pretty similar.


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Just watched a bit of MLB game. they hit the baseball pretty often. I also watch a lot of football matches, and direct free kicks are rarely scored.

top lel it really is luckswing

Free kicks, once you get the gist of it, are not that hard.

Hitting the ball doesn't get you a point, though. It's not comparable to scoring a free kick.

Is Daniel Murphy as outwordly as Messi? Because we shouldn't take into account Messi in these stats, he's an "anomaly", literally 1 out of 10 billions chances freak

That's because you had a 4th tier goalkeeper too. A regular person wouldn't score free kicks from 30 metres in a professional match. Maybe 1/100 if they're lucky.

This is good analysis. Thanks for sharing.

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It is well known that low league/amateur goalkeeping and defenses are pretty loose and incompetent

There's a huge talent gap between lower levels and major league talent, though, when it comes to hitting pitches that aren't straight fastballs. Just lining up and timing up fastballs isn't too hard if you're athletic, but you have to have jacked up hand-eye coordination, balance, and control when you're at the highest level, because you're going up against this shit

youtube.com/watch?v=DyE8sm716Tc

>Is Daniel Murphy as outwordly as Messi?

No, Daniel Murphy is a very good player but not goat tier.

t. Willian

I'd argue that hitting a ball *in major league baseball* is the hardest thing you can do, because all the talent is so ridiculously concentrated in baseball. All the best players come to the US. In soccer, on the other hand, the talent is far more spread out, if somebody asked you to name the top 20 teams in the world you would be choosing from at least 5 different countries.

Imagine if the world's top 20 goalkeepers all played in La Liga. Would Messi and Ronaldo have the same free kick conversion rates?

*5 different leagues

6 countries I guess, because of Monaco

>00:54
hooooooooooooooooooooooooly shit

Well after all that, I'm not convinced at all that "Hitting a Baseball: the Hardest Thing to Do in All of Sports", because batters in MLB hit very regularly, while football free kicks takers are all below 10% conversion rate.

so there's a minimum of 54 free kicks in every soccer game? i don't think that's true.

The best hitters have a 33% batting average, so you tell me.

The world's best soccer player has an 8% average of scoring from free kicks.

Hitting isn't the same as scoring though. It's just a general skill that could apply to a ton of things: homers, bunts, sac flys, base hits....it doesn't make much sense to compare hitting in general to one specific outcome of a free kick.

could be 54 fouls per game. but I ask about SCORING from a direct free kick. Some dude claims that "Hitting a Baseball is the Hardest Thing to Do in All of Sports", so is it harder than scoring from a direct free kick, yes or no? he doesn't clarify if he speaks about hitting a HR

33% is superior to Messi conversion rate, which is already very high, so by this number it looks like hitting a baseball is easier.

IMO hitting a direct free kick is harder. Every year we see pitchers go up there who look like they have no business seeing pitches but they'll bat .100, so they're able to luck into it. If someone doesn't have the technique to score a freekick they just can't score. Even Ronaldo, a decent FK taker, has become a meme for not being able to score.

Finding a gf is harder than doing both at the same time ;_;

my point is it's a bad comparison. if soccer players had 54 chances to kick a free kick in every game, they'd get pretty good at it after a while. in baseball, there's a minimum of 54 individual plate appearances, and that's only if every appearance until the last one results in an out.

well Messi is not exactly GOAT material when it comes to FK
sure, he's very good at that too but his "outworldly" skills others, dribbling in particular

the best FK taker in history would be Juninho i think, while currently Pjanic and Willian come to mind

If you hit .350 with no power and don't walk you won't be a superstar.

luckswing lmao

Hitting major league stuff.

Hand eye coordination & quick twitch levels off the charts.

Jeter and Ichiro never had much power.

You would say that Juninho had a 33% conversion rate? Even though, our friends say that 33% conversion rate at hitting a baseball is very average. A football player with the same rate at scoring direct free kicks would be worth 200 millions

Yeah, Pjanic's conversion rate is amazing.

Why are you comparing one specific aspect of shooting to all of hitting?

Because that's my original question.
>what is harder, hitting a baseball or scoring a direct free kick?

what is harder?
sitting on the bench (baseball) or stealing the ball while playing defense (any real sport)?

Is the qt supposed to distract us from your autism?

Think about it this way the best batters in the world bat around .300. That means they're going to get out 7 out of the 10 times they go to the plate

Best free kick taker in the world fails to score 8 out of every 10 times

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Look at some of the best free kick takers in the world to see their conversion percentage be compare that to .300

You'll get you're answer.

Hitting a ball isn't the hard part hitting a ball into play is

Yes scoring a free kick is harder than hitting a baseball but I'd like to see the conversion rates for homeruns too

They probably mean getting a base hit but it's fucked up that they frame it as "the hardest thing to do in sports" when there is the home run in the same sport lol

>that season yaya scored every other free kick

Not to mention the HR percentage is skewed from the steroid era.

This post answers that Best free kick conversion rate in the best soccer league (2016-17): 8.02%

Best home run rate in the best baseball league (2016): 7.6%

Almost the same. Although tbf, this doesn't include the times that Trumbo was intentionally walked.....

If you're talking about simply making contact, ball hitting bat, hitting a baseball is easier. If we're talking MLB and you're trying for a hit, MLB is harder. You can't simulate the feel of a 95mph fastball coming at you and not wanting to flinch away

Hitting a base hit in baseball is harder than a direct freekick. This is a better analogy.

Scoring a direct freekick is about as difficult as scoring a base hit, except a base hit will go through 2-5 players who can catch it and throw it for your out. You have to maneuver around players with your swing while interpreting the throw from the pitcher correctly.

you're good at baseball if you get a hit in maybe 30% of your 600 at bats

>Hitting a base hit in baseball is harder than a direct freekick. This is a better analogy.

Then why are batting averages so much higher than free kick conversion rates?

You're a good free kick taker if you score maybe 8% of your 212 attempts.

Because the best players in baseball have hand eye coordination

>Then why are batting averages so much higher than free kick conversion rates?

Excuse me.

>IS hitting a base hit in baseball harder than a direct freekick? this is a better analogy

I went on to say

>Scoring a direct freekick is about as difficult as scoring a base hit.

But in baseball you have many types of base hits. The most difficult being a Grand Slam (3 hits/walks and a homerun with the bases loaded).

I've seen 1 grand slam from my team in about 2 years.

But if you can specify the type of base hit, can't you also specify the type of direct free kick? Like a grand slam would be the equivalent of scoring from 40 yards out.

What about saving penalties?

Is that even really a skill? That's like hitting a halfcourt shot.

i dot know what an haf court shot is, but yes it's a skill

It's the basketball equivalent of doing this.

youtube.com/watch?v=jUPiC3PzeNA

Oh ok, yes there are keepers that are penalties specialists. A famous example is when Van Gaal subbed the keeper in a few seconds before the penalties in the WC quarters in 2014, just because Krul was a specialist

Well that's because there are at the minimum 27 chances to hit a baseball, but you can go a whole game and not have a single free kick in shooting range

>Like a grand slam would be the equivalent of scoring from 40 yards out.

A grand slam is a "Stars aligning" type situation so maybe, in a sense, yes, but you it requires at least 2-3 actual base hits followed up with a homerun.

Grand Slam is 3 base hits in 1, including a homerun. All in succession of one another.

Either way though, the percentage of free kicks scored is incredibly low. The best player in the world is scoring like 8% of the time from those.

>you can go a whole game and not have a single free kick in shooting range

Don't think I've ever seen that happen tbqh

Actually being unbiased and citing sources on Sup Forums? Wtf thanks

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>A football player with the same rate at scoring direct free kicks would be worth 200 millions

Imagine a player who actually could score 33% of his free kicks. Like is Messi did that, he would have an additional 70 goals over his past 5 seasons.

*like if

>American stats autism being applied to soccer

I like it

you forget that in boreball all players have to bat but in football only the freekick specialists get to do the job.

Right, that's why I was comparing the best hitter in the best league to the best free kick taker in the best league. It wouldn't be fair to compare average MLB players to Lionel Messi.

But baseball players have 4-5 pitches to get a hit while soccer players only get 1 attempt per free kick. I'm curious what the number of hits per pitches is since that would be a better comparison than At bats for this question

But Messi isn't even the best free-kick taker so this analysis is flawed from the get-go

You should compare all-time greatest free kick-takers with all-time greatest batters

Holy shit, that is a really good point. The average numbers of pitches per plate appearance is about 3.8. So if we look at Daniel Murphy, even though he had 531 at bats, he actually had roughly 2018 chances to get a hit. And in those 2018 chances, he got a hit 184 times.

A conversion rate of 9.1%, compared to Lionel Messi's 8.02% conversion rate. So hitting a baseball is basically as difficult as scoring from a direct free kick, we're talking about a 1% difference.

calltothebullpen.mlblogs.com/2015/07/20/king-of-irrelevant-offensive-statistics-pitches-per-plate-appearance/

espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/year/2016/order/true

Also, this drives the home run conversion rate even further down. Trumbo had 47 home runs on 613 at bats, meaning that he had roughly 2329 chances to get a home run, and only did so 2% of the time.

>But Messi isn't even the best free-kick taker

Messi is the best free-kick taker in the best league, the Spanish soccer league. I'm not considering inferior leagues because they have players of inferior quality.

Also, all-time stats are misleading, because all sports change so dramatically over the years. Better to compare stats from recent years.

Probably a freekick

hitting a baseball =/= getting a hit, just for clarity

Sure you can make contact, but hitting a baseball into play is harder

My dicc is harder than ever ugggghhh

I always assumed that "hitting a baseball" meant "getting a hit". Any random asshole can make contact, even NL pitchers can foul off fastballs a few times.

Should be pointed out that batting average measures hits per at bat, not per pitch. Both acts are incredibly difficult

.333 in baseball is great, not average

Damn, pretty interesting.

makes sense to me
batting average as a whole was .255 last season with 3.88 pitches per plate appearance, so 6.57% of pitches ended up as hits.

like 5% of free kicks are scored right? so pretty similar

anyway, that's obviously not true, plenty of things harder to do than hitting a baseball or scoring a free kick even in these sports themselves. like hitting a home run or scoring direct from a corner kick etc.

shit b8

33% for a season is like 15-20 goals, very good but a few players will get it most years.