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2nd for KYS

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*th for hoping Italians get their pasta together and stop making strategy mistakes.

Calm it lad

do you think vettel and hamilton have ever had conversations about how much they cucked alonso?

To a guy who knows shit about F1, the problem Alonso or his car?

the engine is JUST tier

The car.

>be Alonso
>obsessed with your "legacy" to the point you unironically have your own "Alonso Museum"
>get humiliated by Hamilton
>get cucked by Vettel
>need team orders to beat Massa
>fail to bring Ferrari back to greatness
>fail to being McLaren-Honda back to greatness
>legacy in tatters
>so desperate to have "career achievements" that you do the Indy500
>this will prove you're as good as Alexander Rossi

car
although he did make same unfortunate decisions in his career and being a toxic cunt in 2007 didn't help either

DELETE THIS

Hey that's the cart I posted to predict the McLaren livery during the off season.

Your all right mate.

Both, the car is sub par and down on power but Alonso has had enough of trying to develop it and wait for it to be good. imo he shouldn't be kicking up a stink but I can understand why.

lewlew or vetlel to indy when?

Feel bad for him tbqh.

>being a toxic cunt in 2007

>get sabotaged by your own team multiple times over the year
>somehow it is his fault that he reacted in a natural human way

he didn't get sabotaged, he actually scored more points than Hamilton in the second half when the relationship went to the shitter

Don't, he's a massive cunt.

>participated in fixed races
>blackmailed his teams for superior equipment
>questioned the talent of driver who beat him, instead of being a gracious loser
>thinks trying to publicly "humiliate Honda" at every opportunity will make them build a better engine

right, because they stopped sabotaging him after stories started leaking.Enough damage had already been done unfortunately.

not that I feel like defending McLaren, especially Ron Dennis was a control freak who deserved to get BTFO at every endeavour he takes part in

Nth for Lewis Hamilton is going to win the 2017 Worldc Hampionship

If digits Hamilton never wins another race.

Reminder that Rob Smedley said that Alonso is the best driver OF ALL TIME.

>turn on tour of california stream
>immediately see marcel kittel basically dying

I should just go back to bed

Sucks for you lad

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what is daniil thinking

Let's play a game. What do you think the next engine formula will look like?

Here's my guess. Twin-turbo V8 hybrids.

I doubt they will get rid of the hybrid stuff since cars are increasingly using that shit these days.

"hmmm..."

1L inline 3 hybrids.

A shit load of gerbils

"cyka blyat xaxaxaxaxa ))))"

4 cylinder twin turbo hybrid

1.5 silindar 0.2 liter quadturbo hydrogen fuel cell engine

who the fuck is choco schumis dad, guy has an unreal jawline

>V8

it's gonna be twin turbo V6, remove the MGU-H but keep the MGU-K and more deployment

Richard Wehrlein, former boxer, owner of a CNC machining company, BLEACHer and all-around alpha

>BLEACHer

cancer*

ftfy

t. Richard Wehrlein

I hope not
Yes, I like this
Well at least you're thinking outside of the box
Says who?
I mean I read this story which makes the case that, yes, they will get rid of the MGU-H, and increase the deployment of the MGU-K: motorsport.com/f1/news/tech-analysis-f1-s-engine-options-past-2020-889758/

But why not make them V8s since FOM seem to actively be targeting "noise" as one of their criteria? Yes getting rid of the MGU-H will improve the noise, but still, they should bring back V8s 2bh famalam

Post em

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Why do you hate Glock?

Finally got a (you) that wasn't you being a grumpy sod

probably because he helped hamilton beat massa

t. retard

but it's true

>But why not make them V8s
1) Manufacturers don't want them
2) Technologically extinct
3) They sounded shit anyway, they might have been loud but the actual sound they put out was atrocious.
4) Manufacturers don't want them
5) Awful torque bands
6) Renault, Mercedes and Honda have unequivocally stated that they will leave F1 if they return to V8s
7) No, really
8) They sounded shit
9) If you wanna go full retard MUH NOIZE I DONT WANT EARDRUMS ANYMOOR, go for a fucking V10
10) Increasing the fuel flow limit would increase the RPM and therefore make the engines scream. No need to add moar cilindarz just because you think they add 10 decibels

want to back that up with facts

>3) They sounded shit anyway, they might have been loud but the actual sound they put out was atrocious.

Fucking this.

he didn't help, the fact that Toyota was struggling on the wet tyres and that Glock as in front of him at the time it was wet help Hamilton
Glock was still quicker than Trulli in that phase of the race

I'm not grumpy

>manufacturers don't want them
I'm not saying they should go back to the old naturally aspirated V8s, I'm saying why not just add two cylinders to the current turbo hybrid engines.

Also the old ones sounded awesome.

Glock was on slicks and Hamilton passed him with ease on the wet track on intermediates. The strategy to stay on slicks moved him way up in position and he finished higher up than if he had also pitted. If he wanted Hamilton to win he would have just pitted as well so that Hamilton was still ahead of him. Glock had the same final lap time as his team mate on the same strategy indicating he didn't slow.
Glock literally didn't have a say in if Hamilton passed him or not on way quicker inters 2bh.

youtube.com/watch?v=p4LMm5PXVRU

guise this video is undeniable PROOF glock helped hamilton, look at him intentionally slowing down to let hamilton win, fucking rigged!!!

>slipping and sliding all over the place on slicks
He was just doing skids for fun stalling for Hamilton!
UNDESERVING CHAMP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

@75940038
No (You) since you didn't even read the read my post beyond the first line. I'll break it down nice and simply for you so it permeates your skull and sticks in your grey matter instead of going straight out of your ears.

V8 engines are at a technological dead end. The manufacturers are, slowly but surely, abandoning them. Except the inbred luxury supercar market who only car about POWERRRRRRR because they're philistines. They take up more space than a V6. They're heavier than a V6. They're less efficient than a V6. They're not inherently noiser than a V6. They have feeble torque bands. They're becoming less and less relevant to road cars.

If F1 forcibly brings back V8s, Mercedes, Honda and Renault will pull out because of the above reasons, and the sport will be left with just Ferrari unless Cosworth can be convinced to rejoin. Maybe BMW will make a return, as they have a corporate philosophy of never making a V6 engine, but that's about as likely as McLaren-Honda ever winning a race.

>Also the old ones sounded awesome.
You have objectively shit taste

DELET NOW

mix of a really shit tier car and lack of motivation... so he is trying to get it in other categories and I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to burgerland or DTM for good

This is a truthbomb

SUOMALAINEN NAILED IT!

@75940217
I did read the rest of it and you repeated the same three or so fucking points over and over again you dumb fuck

>V8s are a dead end
>they're less relevant to road cars
Tell that to McLaren - every one of their cars has a twin-turbo V8 in it
Tell that to Ferrari - the 488 has a twin-turbo V8 in it
Tell that to Porsche - the 918 has a V8 in it (naturally aspirated in that case)

Jesus if you're going to come up with an argument at least make it one that isn't so easily debunked.

>they're not inherently noisier than a V6
How? More cylinders = more vibrations = more sound.
Do you think that a single cylinder moped engine is just as loud as a V12 then?

>forcibly
I'm not saying forcibly mate, I just don't accept your arguments that the manufacturers hate them as much as you think they do - especially since they literally all use V8s in their road cars.

>he doesn't like how the V8s sounded
Utter, utter pleb. They sounded better than the current ones.

Wow yeah such a truth bomb, none of the manufacturers are using V8s anymore!

OH WAIT

>b-b-b-but those cars are a couple years old now!
The McLaren 720 was literally just released and still uses a V8.

Has a single Ferrari ever used a V6? I mean fucking seriously.

Oh yeah and the Merc AMG GT, their latest flagship halo car, uses a twin-turbo V8.

But yeah, the V8 is totally dead bro!

That is pretty cheeky mate. Will the rest of us continue to receive (you)s as normal?

Yes, don't worry lad, you shall be nourished with (You)s

while we're still on topic do these turbos produce enough boost to eat through fuel as fast as higher displacement/moar silindars or have the teams looked into a solution for this?

>McLaren
>not an engine supplier to F1
>Porsche
>not an engine supplier to F1 or even in talks to become one
>other than inbred luxury cars
Give you Ferrari but they have pretty much always asked for more cylinders but that's in the luxury car category.

>implied all the Engine suppliers use and want V8's
Mercedes wanted less cylinders than we currently have, they are firmly on the less side of the fence. So are Renault and Honda 2bh, given all their number of cars over 4 cylinders. The only reason we have V6's is because Ferrari threatened to leave.

The V8's did sound pretty bad lad
Of the current engine suppliers
>1 wants more cylinders
>1 wants less even though they have cars with more and have said they will leave if it goes up
>2 haven't really been vocal as the first 2 but hardly have any cars over 4 cylinders

Hmmmm V8's aren't dead though, not like Supercars are moving away from them as well either...

Why are Formula E drivers so much more manly than F1 drivers?

This is encouraging news. Thank you and please do enjoy your repeating digits. In fact I call on everyone to take a moment to congratulate these dubs

Who gives a fuck what companies use in their entry level road cars? Road relevance is shit and needs to be removed from the sport.

Why am I sat in bed with a miniature beer barrel?

Because you're a man with solid priorities.

Pretty much every racing series is moving away from 8 or larger cylinder engines other than MUH POWER American series.
V8's are a thing of the past at this point 2bh, more and more cars are coming out with smaller cheaper engines and are competitive vs the V8's

>Mercedes wanted less cylinders than we currently have
Source? I thought all the manufacturers objected to FOM's I4 plans, they wanted something bigger for the spectacle.

>The only reason we have V6's is because Ferrari threatened to leave.
I've just been reading any article I can find about it and they all say "the manufacturers" didn't like the idea of I4s, not just Ferrari

>Hmmmm V8's aren't dead though, not like Supercars are moving away from
Yeah that must be why all these cars, all released in the last couple of years, all use them:
McLaren 720
Ferrari 488
Mercedes AMG GT
McLaren P1
Porsche 918

Also you're saying "why would Renault and Honda want lots of cylinders when their cars don't have big engines". Well then surely you could say that about the V10 era? Why were they in the sport then, if - by your logic - they only have a desire to build engines of the exact configuration that they're going to put into their road cars?

Your logic there doesn't make sense. Neither of those companies were running V10s in their road cars at the time, as far as I'm aware.

The FIA have stated that one of their explicit goals for the new engines is that they be "noisier". The teams want that too. Mercedes have said they want that. And the FIA want "to maintain high power levels", and "to allow drivers to drive harder at all times". So why the hell wouldn't they consider V8s? They are explicitly looking for more noise, and yes getting rid of the MGU-H will do that to an extent, but why not whack on some cylinders too? It seems ludicrous to me that they wouldn't even consider it.

Quotes from this: autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128744

Thanks mate, I shall savour them like a fine wine.

May as well have a pint mate, it'd be rude not to.

The FIA have specifically said they want more noise for the new engines. AND the teams are saying they want something cheaper and simpler. Just whack in a twin-turbo V8, bit o' KERS, bob's your uncle.

>he jumped off the williams bandwagon
customer detected

>mfw nobody answers my fucking question

You all make me very proud.

Already on 3rd lad. Think this little fella is on last few drops though. New home will be in next doors skip tomorrow morning

Why would they want to eat through fuel? They're trying to save fuel mate.

Or are you talking about 2020? Are you saying they should increase the boost on the turbo and use more fuel to make the engine louder and more powerful to increase the spectacle 'n' shiet? Instead of higher displacement / more silindars as a solution to those problems?

Also can I ask, are you genuinely Bahamian? Are you black for one thing?

Nice. What's the occasion anyway? Or you just fancied a keg on a random Monday night?

Someone left a few of them after barbecue at weekend so as you said would be rude not to have a little drink

>Why would they want to eat through fuel? They're trying to save fuel mate.
I know theyre trying to save fuel but I'm asking if these turbos produce enough boost to the point where the ECU (or whatever) has to shove some more fuel in those silindars to keep the poor engine from running to hot and detonating and I'm wondering if this in turn makes their fuel efficiency the same or only very slightly better than a higher displacement/ayt silindar engine

>Also can I ask, are you genuinely Bahamian? Are you black for one thing?
yes, yes

new government is in, please add roaches to the house

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Ah fair enough. You're more sociable than I am. I haven't seen mates in months, not even joking. I should probably do something about that.

>I know theyre trying to save fuel but I'm asking if these turbos produce enough boost to the point where the ECU (or whatever) has to shove some more fuel in those silindars to keep the poor engine from running to hot and detonating and I'm wondering if this in turn makes their fuel efficiency the same or only very slightly better than a higher displacement/ayt silindar engine
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you again, but why would they turn up the boost that far? The whole point of the turbo is for fuel efficiency. They're just forcing in a bit more air with the fuel for a bigger bang. They're not forcing in SO much air that the mixture is too lean, like you describe. Why would they do that?

The current engines are definitely more efficient than the higher displacement, more cylindered engines of before.

As I say maybe I'm misunderstanding you. I am a noob on mechanics by the way, I don't really know what I'm talking about, beyond a rudimentary understanding.

>Also can I ask, are you genuinely Bahamian? Are you black for one thing?
>yes, yes
Damn. Do you support Hamilton then since he has ancestry from the Caribbean also? You should do.

You must remember that for years, F1 was the main "R&D dept" for street cars. We use many things coming from there, such as ABS brakes, honeycomb reinforced structures, active suspension system, sequential shifting and many other things. The latest big dev F1 gave to street cars was KERS, which are used on eletric and hybrid cars to reduce battery comsumption and giving an extra boost by using braking energy.

>They're not forcing in SO much air that the mixture is too lean, like you describe.
This is what I wanted to know, thanks.

>Damn. Do you support Hamilton then since he has ancestry from the Caribbean also? You should do.
I could care less about where Hamilton's great^7 grandfathers from, ricky is /myguy/

Ah you see less & less of mates over time anyway as shit goes on. Only really speak with them on phone mostly as no-ones time lines up proper to watch races or anything like that nowadays. Just save bit of time for stuff & be happy with family life I guess or something. Just don't go full HAM

I really cannot be fucked to fill all this in, so this will have to do:

>Current favourite driver
Hamilton
>Current drivers you like
Kimi, Bottas, Ricciardo, Alonso, I guess Max (but I'd rather Ric did well right now). Also Massa. And Grosjean.
>Current drivers you hate
Vettel
>Current favourite team
I support Mercedes because of Hamilton really, but if I could pick any team to be the frontrunner it would be McLaren.
>Current teams you like
Williams. Red Bull are okay. Renault are cool, I hope they do a bit better. Sauber are cool too, I want them to do better. I guess I like seeing any of the underdog teams pull of some good results, Force India and Toro Rosso and Haas as well.
>Current teams you hate
Ferrari.
>All time favourite drivers
David Coulthard. Damon Hill. Nigel Mansell. And Kimi Raikkonen, why not.
>All time drivers you don't like but respect
I think Mika's a bit of a wanker but he was a good driver.
>All time drivers you hate
Schumacher. Vettel.
>All time favourite teams
McLaren.
>All time favourite car
Williams FW14B
>All time favourite helmets
I like Coulthard's. But also Lewis's have been cool too - I especially liked the white/red ones he used for 2014 - 2016 and I think he should have kept that design.

>ABS, active suspension, sequential gearboxes and KERS all came from F1
...did they?
I mean sequential gearboxes are used in lots of other racing too, did they definitely come from F1?
And with KERS - well hybrid cars, which obviously use a battery for energy, predated F1 using KERS, did they not? The Prius came out in the mid-2000s.

Hamilton's grandparents (his dad's parents) are from Grenada. Which is why Lewis' dad is black.

I'm mid 20s though, I really should fucking socialise more, it's my own fault for isolating myself 2bh

>Has Ferrari ever used a V6?
Yes. The 246 exists. Also one of the most beautiful cars in existence.

>a Dino from 40 years ago is one of the only Ferraris to use a V6
That's exactly my point.

Who knows maybe they will stick with V6s in 2020, but since they are talking about noise and power, why wouldn't they consider a V8? And the arguments that the V8 is dead are absolutely ludicrous to me. If anything the V8 is having a fucking renaissance, since lots of supercars are now using them. These are cars that might have had V10s or V12s in years past. Although the V12 is far from dead also, look at the LaFerrari, the Aston Martin DB11, the new Ferrari 812. Sure, I don't expect to see V12s back in F1 anytime soon (unfortunately), but they still exist and are still being put in new cars. So I just don't buy this argument that certain engine configurations are "dying out", it just sounds like utter bullshit.

Speaking of the DB11, they're going to release a cheaper version of that with a Mercedes twin-turbo V8 in it. Hey look, it's yet another modern supercar with a V8! So much for the death of the V8 I guess!

>no hamilton in the hated part

retard

Why would I hate Hamilton? His legacy isn't with McLaren and if I was going to be racist I wouldnt've put Pascal in the liked drivers section

the V6's would scream if they were naturally aspirated and weren't fucked into having to reduce the rev limit

how many of you F1 only guys are gonna watch the Indy 500 after Monaco GP is done because Alonso?

>Marco Andretti gets fastest speed in practice for the second year in a row
>will inevitably fail during the race as usual because Andretti Curse

if you aren't watching for Alonso, at least join us in watching and laughing at the absolute failure named Marco Andretti

>if you aren't watching for Alonso, at least join us in watching and laughing at the absolute failure named Marco Andretti
>Marco

*Michael

Also to bolster my V8 argument against the naysayers. Twin-turbo V8s especially seem to be all the rage right now. McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes are all using them in their cars. Ferrari switched from using naturally aspirated V8s for fucking ages in their "baby" / mass market line - 458, F430, 360, F355, 348, 328 - having put a twin-turbo V8 in the 488. In fact I think it's the first time that the main version of their "baby" car has been turbocharged.

>the V6's would scream if they were naturally aspirated
Not as much as a V8 would though.

I just think V6s are a bit wimpy for F1, and I think that's exactly what the FIA and the teams want to solve - they have heard the message loud and clear that fans are bit uninspired by the current formula. Toto has talked in the past about the importance of putting on a good show. And like I say, the FIA have explicitly said that noise is one of their objectives in the new engine (lower cost and increased simplicity being other ones).

>3 of the current F1 engine suppliers hardly have a car over 6 Cylinders
>the manufacturer looking to join hardly has a car over 6 cylinders
>Ferrari love more cylinders
>Ferrari will have their way and we will move to backwards to V8's because some British autist can't see that in racing almost every series is moving towards smaller less cylinder engines

You have to go back to 2015 for LMP1 to have a V8 and that's only 1 out of 6 cars
The year before that had 2 of 6
The year before that had 3 of 4

But no the V8 isn't dying out.

Supercars has its first non V8 entries next year, the first year they are available teams are jumping to smaller engines, funny that. But no the V8 isn't dying because expensive niche supercars still have more cylinders.

>But no the V8 isn't dying out.

As long as Americans are fat, they'll need V8 torque to get around.