Really confused about this shit

Really confused about this shit.
Okay, i get that there's different standards in society that can be unfair to men, but how can you tell me MGTOW isn't absolute garbage filled with incels and "nice guys"?

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no well-adjusted man does MGTOW shit. it's all a "i'm not fired, I quit" mentality for dating.

That's because MGTOW *is* absolute garbage filled with incels and "nice guys".

So why don't you explain exactly what you find at fault with their ideology.

It's pretty clear to anyone with half a brain that women kinda have the shittier end of the stick with 90% of society.
Anyone who feels that men have it harder must be a total abject failure at life.
MGTOW is the absolute apex of that.

Men are in charge of pretty much everything.
Women are subject to lower pay and are the victims of the majority of domestic violence, rapes and sexual assaults.
If you can't land a girl, then the failure is yours, not the whole of womankind. The rest of us all manage just fine.

I bet you believe in marriage after knowing the girl for 1 month, dont you?

Do you have a girl?

There's nothing wrong with not dating/marrying for a while so you can work on yourself. But dedicating yourself to a group that is the embodiment of "if she breathes, she's a thot" is not only childish, but it's a bit pathetic. I've met many women who are great people, and I've dated a decent number of girls who were respectable and had great personalities. Either they're not finding these decent women, or they're attractiveness is severely lacking.

>implying being a white woman in a western nation isn't living life on fucking easy mode

I don't think you guys understand the movement too much. I'm not MGTOW or anything, but I get it. These guys have been genetically chosen to not be "alpha" so fuck it. They keep their money and they can pay for sex if they so feel like it. Now. Personally, I never want to be married, cause I've made tons of women cheat on their men with me, so I just don't trust them, but I don't think that's MGTOW

I don't see what's wrong with it. What's wrong with a guy wanting to focus on himself instead of a parasite?

Is this bait? Women are literally favored in everything.

That's not the message I gather from their ideology, and I'm curious why you think that's what they represent.

Or is this an orchestrated attempt to blindly denigrate their ideology in any way possible?

I'm MGTOW because
>I like my time
>I like my money
>I like my freedom
>I like my pension
And I'm not willing to sacrifice any of these for a 2 second orgasm in a warm hole.

I married my wife after 6 years of dating. We're very happy together. Life is sweet.

You make a good point

Why do you retards get mad when it's supposed to be a good thing for You?
Simple fact that you do says a lot

Like i said here, there's nothing wrong with working on yourself, just don't start hating women just because you've had bad experiences. People are people, some are shitty, some are great.

I see, so you see it as some mangang movement and you're intimidated by it, and want to frame the movement in a bad light. Thanks, sounds like an ideology I want to look into.

What are incels? you're probably right

like what? come on, then. Solid examples that aren't total bullshit.
Where in this world where men pretty much run every government, society, industry, do women have it easy?
And if your answer is "dating" then *bzzzt* wrong, you're just a loser who can't get a date. There are plenty of loser women who also can't get a date. You just don't want to fuck them cos they're fat and ugly.

MGTOW is literally the least intimidating movement in history.
You want to leave all the women for the rest of us and cry wank together? Be my guest! You're a joke.

Real men?
More like insecure scrubs who can't maintain a healthy relationship

Coming from the bitch bitching about it. Sure

Wait till you're in your mid 30's and in to your 40's. Sex will be non existent and she will be cold and distant. Then she will divorce you for some hottie 20 year old she met on facebook cause you dont keep your bitch in check

In most cases MGTOW puts a positive spin on officially declaring defeat with women. They pretend abstinence was their choice and it enables them to feel less bad about it. The reality is that they were rejected for years, or at best dated a really nasty woman who ate their soul, and they just can't keep getting rejected anymore, it's too hard on the ego.

So they declare themselves part of a movement that allows them to think swearing off women was their choice.

I've had a 3 year dry spell and I feel terrible about it. And it's easy to think MGTOW is an appealing movement to join, but I realize that just puts a positive spin on defeat. So rather than declaring defeat at all, I'm trying to get my life together so I might actually be an enticing prospect to someone.

I can agree a lot with what they say about how men are/have been treated by women in society like unfair court cases about alimony, child custody, etc. But if you've had a run in on a few shitty girls in your life, that's no excuse to disregard and generalize their gender entirely.

haha, nah, I just find it amusing.
You're right though, mocking you guys is too easy, really.

That's bullshit, dude. Women are in the same position as men, they're just lazy and less capable.

The meme that women are smarter is literal mommy porn fantasy up there with Twilight and 50 Shades.

The fact is that women aren't as capable as men because they are less stable by their nature and so are unable to form and keep complex thoughts in check.

Incels are so precious they could cry.

I'm in my late 30s. We still have regular sex and life is good. Sorry.

I don't think you understand the ideology, and you seem clearly intimidated by it judging by your reaction here.

>And I'm not able to sacrifice any of these for a 2 second orgasm in a warm hole.

Hi all, my name is Dan. I am the most purest of all knights so people like you make me sick. I will have you know I have OVER 9000 confirmed kills in Call of Duty, all the money in GTA and all the hookers in half life. And your mom is one of them. So guess what, you've awoken the Danimal! I will now procede to bang your second life mother, flaunt my virtual jew gold and snipe your 12 year old friends in CoD. Your days are numbered kid.

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Im not framing it in a bad light, just calling it like i see it.

I didn't say women are smarter. But they have to work much harder to get the same recognition men do for the same task. I see it every day.
Nice graph, by the way. Oh look, no scientific references for that, quelle surprise.

Men are seen as disposable in the world, we have the shitier end of the stick, but we are better for it. We are not victims, we are the heroes of history

Their ideology simply says to be the executive director of your life experience. It doesn't say "Hate women" it says, "don't just blindly accept them"

What people don't realize is that women don't have an incentive to stay with their man anymore, back in the day the woman would pretty much be shut in her own circle of things to do with no outside influences, now it's totally different where no matter what she is exposed to everything. She gets tired of you there are always thirsty guys out there to fix that

I don't think you understand what intimidated means, and you seem clearly to be an idiot judging by your responses here.

no, thats what men do because men like sex. And like younger women.

All of those problems are also caused by the patriarchy. Patriarchy is also bad for men.

You're the one that's insecure, you can't live your life alone, you're co-dependent, you need someone by your side to even walk out the door, you're a coward!

ITT : betas too insecure to value themselves over women.

You realise this is because of the patriarchy, too. Plenty of women would happily step up but society frowns on it. That's literally the point.

my name is dan friend, you're wrong. Being a white knight has its perks like you can dance with them in second life.

Lol you can't be serious right? Women are literally favored in court and everywhere. A women can say you raped her and you are fucked without having any evidence. If it's the other way around they'll tell you to get over it

That idea i can get behind, but what its members have shown is something completely different is all im saying.

> MOMMY BRING ME TENDIES YOU FUCKING WHORE

>k son.

There is no patriarchy that's just a feminazis meme

I'll field this one:
My wife and I are both independent and capable of living our own lives.
But our lives are enhanced by each other's presence.
And loving and committing to someone takes courage, cos sure, they might hurt you. They might leave you. That's a risk you take. But if you open yourself up to that, then it's a beautiful thing.

This
Nowhere in mgtow does it say you can't fuck, if you're fucking and saving your money to use on yourself what's the problem?

under enjoyed statement

You are very obviously intimidated by the ideology. What do you think your reaction is? You would ignore it if you didn't care.

I didn't expect to start a shitstorm like this, it's beautiful

just watch this then tell me what you think.

youtube.com/watch?v=6-QagCHpY1s&t=0s

Is Harvey Weinstein in prison right now?
Is Woody Allen is prison right now?
Have there been any significant arrests of high profile men as a result of the MeToo movement yet?
I'll give you a clue. It's "no".

This
Also, woman do have it easier in dating up until the age of 30-40, when most of them are fat, ugly, have had kids, or some combo of those 3 and the tables turn. But that isn't all. They have it easier in court, easier in job interviews, they have it easier in social situations (a socially awkward girl is 10x more likely to be approached and brought into a conversation than a socially awkward guy), they have their own scholarships, safe spaces, programs, committees and interest groups...

Shit nigger if I was a woman I'd have way more friends because socializing as a woman is easy. My band would've taken off because punk rock bands with females in them, especially as lead singer, take off like no tomorrow (see: Paramore, Sick Puppies). My Twitch attempts would've been successful because having tits makes money. Same with my Youtube. I would've gotten my bachelor's in CompSci for next to nothing thanks to "Wimmyn in STEM" scholarships.

Not to mention the daily ease of going through life knowing you can say and do anything and get away with it, without a single person questioning or confronting you for it.

you kind of sound like a woman because when you think about it. 1. Women usually have more baggage due to their ex. Heck look at Dua lipa she can't even follow her own rules.

2. Abstinence thing sounds like what an immature kid would say further reinforcing that is how you view how a man thinks.

Therefore you're a woman.

Haha. Apparently I'm intimidated by the ideology, dude.

And how does that change their message at all? That's like saying that if a priest is bad or gets brain cancer, there must somehow be something wrong with their religious Ideology.

If the message is clear, then why are you still focused on dismissing their message when it's other people who are misreading it who are at fault?

A strong supportive wife can make your life way better. A strong but unsupportive wife will do anything to make your life he'll. A weak supportive wife will look after you but won't challenge you to grow. A weak unsupportive wife will just drain you and basically be another dependant on you to survive

All these boys on here claiming how they're so Alpha because they got a warm hole to squirt in, when they know damn well all their time,money and freedom is devoted to keeping a woman happy, just so they could say they get pussy or be a normie to fit in with society, what a sad way to live.

>, committees and interest groups...
yes but the one thing you forgot was that women up until their 30s place a hell alot of self worth on their appearance and how they treat other people. A lot of guys are like fuck this shit man i do what i want then cry and whine on an image board.

So I dont think guys have it worse off rather they just do their own thing you know

Yeah, but none of those things are really true, are they?
You think having tits solves all your problems. Just idiocy. It's people like you who make women's lives a misery. A socially awkward girl doesn't want you approaching her, idiot. Leave women alone.
And this is the Reading festival with and without bands with ANY women in. Your point is ridiculous.

Weinstein is a piece of shit and his reputation is ruined and he'll get ibis eventually. But look at all the sympathizes

well it does solve his problems. see

yes mgtow contains incells and losers but from my experience talking with them most mgtow are reluctant mgtow. the rate of fake rape and DV accusations is retarded, its a permanent risk. any time a girl regrets sex, gets caught by her bf etc its suddenly rape, coworkers that get told to do their fucking job suddenly turn around and make their own accusations.

there is 0 net benefit for an above average male to have women around. the only thing is sex and affection. there is no more societal pressure to have mutual sexual exclusivity, she can fuck around nothing you can do about it. when she's done with you she can leave you and take everything you own.

if you don't understand mgtow, you probably don't have a lot of life experience.

in essence female hypergamy has to by balanced by male authority. too authoritarian is hard patriarchy, not enough authority is current western feminist nonesense.

the mgtows are gay (from closet)

There is no patriarchy. The system we have nowadays was forged in the west over the past few generations after the second wave of feminism, and it wasn't by men. It was by both genders.

Get the fuck off of Sup Forums and go back to tumblr. Or preferably kill yourself.

>MGTOW = a community of manchildren who can't maintain a relationship and try to convince each other that they prefer it that way

I've been "going my own way" for decades. ie I don't let others dictate my actions. I'll choose if I want to date or get married, just as I choose what pants to put on every morning. Movements and groups like this are fucking stupid.

All relationships end in pain and suffering...all of them. Learning to live your life without a crutch is easier.

No he is absolutely right soy.

But he still has his money and his freedom.
The idea that a woman can cry rape and the dude is banged up forever is simply not true.

well i dont think you need data to prove your point or talk about the rate, but I mean you got to take a chance sometime. Its just is it a woman or an immature girl you're dealing with?

>These guys have been genetically chosen to not be "alpha" so fuck it.

I tend to agree. Alphas always have gone their own way, but without all of the chest-beating.

tits or gtfo

because they didn't do anything actually wrong. they were accused without any proof.
did they act unethically and immorally? absolutely. but there are no ground for prosecution.

these cunt didn't just consent, they were probably the predators. looking for a career boost from someone in power. and fine, go for it. but its not rape. its a business transaction. these producers in turn gave them a shot in hollywood and since they're talentless they didn't make it and are bitter now.

The same reason why people disregard third wave feminists and Black Lives Matter. They tout the idealogy of the movement but turn around and do the complete opposite. The majority is what represents the group.

Tits or GTFO

Life is about the journey, not the destination, my dude.
I've had girls break my heart, sure. And that sucked. But they also enhanced my life a heap while I was with them. So it was worth it.

There is none.
Betas and women will try to claim you're unable to get laid forever. Its the only argument they can come up with.

Needless to say, its completely false.

Yes. Rich people get away with shit because they have billions of dollars. That's nothing new. It isn't because they're men, it's because they're rich and famous. If they were normal, average wealth every day men they would be in prison already.

PS: No woman, regardless of how poor or nonfamous, would ever see jail time for doing what Weinstein did. So I will say again: go back to tumblr or kill yourself.

>The majority is what represents the group.

This is literally the OPPOSITE of reality.
LITERALLY

> MGTOW isn't absolute garbage filled with incels and "nice guys"?
what are incels
they are not filled with "nice guys" because "nice guys" inherently thirst to get some pussy no matter what it requires
and most importantly
Men
Going
Their
Own
Way
calling a movement that is the most retarded thing i have heard in some time
>hey guys look at my movement let's follow its tenents so we can be men going our own way ... the way of our group which is totally our own way

haha. twat bingo! Am I also a cuck?

Its not about who has it harder in society. Its basically just a thing for men who by no fault of their own either can't get into or ruin relationships. This is just an excuse to ignore fatal character flaws that kills the ability to form a meaningful relationship.

The guy has money but that shit doesn't happen to normal people. If a girl right now accuses you of rape you are fucked even though you didn't do anything. If it was the other way around people would be making fun of you.

Do you lack any capability of critical thought?? Are you tripping on some psychoactive drugs???

>believes in wage gap caused by gender
>spews feminist bullshit on Sup Forums
>retarded

The way women are today, dating is Russian Roulette. you're guaranteed a STD, a girl that will cheat on you, and take all your money. you're literally dating a hooker that you commit to. that's fucked up.

you could take them to a doctor and have them checked for cancer aids.

So you've got nothing, then? No examples? Good stuff.

Ok Femjew
> Muh wage gap
Go back to school and relearn the difference between Earnings and wages.
> rapes and sexual assualt
At least people care if your gender is raped, oh and you get help afterwards for it.

And you think having a penis solves everything, which is even more retarded. Yeah, maybe if I lived in Saudi Arabia. But in the Western world?

No. You are literally of subhuman intelligence.

>the way women are today
Who hurt you, user?

you didn't give him an example to support your claim. You just made a statement. What can be asserted without evidence will be dismissed without evidence.

>but society frowns on it
you mean other women.