What's going on in Venezuela? What caused the food shortages? Serious question, please answer seriously

What's going on in Venezuela? What caused the food shortages? Serious question, please answer seriously.

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I don't wanna say communism, but communism.

An economy reliant on oil income and an incompetent government.

Suer, but what did they exactly do wrong?

Der Sozialismus des XXI Jahrhunderts.

low oil price
If your country suddenly got embargoed, cut off and contained, nothing will help you even if you arent communist.

Oil is cheap and their government didn't have a plan for cheap oil

Socialism, and Maduro is insane and believes that Hugo Chavez has appeared to him in the form of a bird. Oh and they also have the largest oil reserves in the world

Didn't they back up some money in case of an emergency?

Also even if oil is cheap, I don't get why the food suddenly would vanish.

>Be spic commie government
>Have gorillions of oil reserves
>Tell lazy spic population you'll buy all their groceries and pay their bills with oil
>Suddenly oil not worth enough to buy groceries and pay bills
>no utilities
>no food
>Spics country collapses

Communism.

Waste, corruption, stupidity, American sanctions, low energy

>Venezuela
>Suffering an embargo.
What?

It was socialism.

>Go to school with a bloke
>Nickname is "kingfish rings"
why?
>Fucked a kingfish on a fishing trip once.

In a nutshell:
>Government goes full socialist
>Set prices of goods to ridiculously low
>Goods like medicines stop being produced because why the fuck would anyone produce anything with no profit
>Essential food goods mostly stop being produced, but goverment decides to seize and control farms and industries to at least produce the bare minimum
>People buy large amounts of controlled goods at ridiculous prices and sell them either to in the black market or take them to Colombia and make insane profits. This people are called bachaqueros
>Recently government passed legislature to enter houses with no judge order to capture bachaqueros
And now we wait for the next stage of this shit show. It's Stalin's USSR all over again.

>Chavez convinces OPEC to raise oil prices in the 90s
>Saudis, Iraqis, Kuwaities and others agree because why not
>Oil prices reaches levels of 1973 oil crisis
>Chavez starts giving oil and money for free fucking everywhere to make his voters happy, satisfy his cuban bosses, gain allies for free in the caribbean and fund political parties to extend its influence in the rest of the world
>Chavez kicks 2/3s of workers from the countries petrol company because of a strike, he replaces them with the double of people, all of them from his party without any idea of what they are doing there
>Economy depends more and more on oil every year
>Inefficiency on oil extraction increases
>No renovation or construction of new thermical/renewable/hidroelectrical/nuclear energy stations
>OPEC decides to reduce oil prices to fuck around with different oil economies such as Russia or Iran
>Chavez wants to keep all the services running, he starts printing money massively to pay shit
>He sets price control on basic products
>More money printing for gibsmedats
>Chavez dies, Maduro replaces him and continues same shit
>More money printing for gibsmedats
>Even more money printing
>Inflation keeps rising and prices of products rise
>Importing becomes harder and harder. Production costs rise
>Selling products means losses according to the price controls. Businesses stop selling to dont get losses
>Maduro says all the problems are because of USA, Colombia, Spain and the Corporations
>Inflation becomes highest of the world, queues for food (the little there is) at the supermarkets
>More money printing
I could say even more, but yeah, you guess where the problem is

>If your country suddenly got embargoed, cut off and contained, nothing will help you even if you arent communist.

I'll give you three guesses why all of that happened.

God damnit Australia

>b-but it wasn't even real communism!
>b-bootlicker btfo!

Source: his ass

It wasn't real communism, but real communism cannot exist so long as we are human. It's in contradiction of some of our basic instincts, like greed.

has lot to do with oil.
0:40 and 1:40
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The electricity shortages are because El Niño caused a drought this year and since they didnt plan their electricity stations properly, they got fucked because most of their electricity comes from hidroelectrical stations...

Do you think there will be mass starvations?

Inflation is over 380% now. With 200% you had food rationing in eastern germany at the end of the USSR era

Pretty much this.

>What caused the food shortages?
literally socialism

they made laws which make it impossible to produce and sell, when people just say fuck it I'm not gonna work in these conditions (insane taxes, insane regulations, basically illegal to make a profit of any kind, can't fire workers ever, etc etc )

then they tried to produce stuff on government farms, but it didn't work because of corruption and incompetence. private businesses are a hundred times more efficient.

Not colombia

Definitively. In fact it's starting:
youtube.com/watch?v=X_mUs6nnu7M
If you don't have massive amounts of inflated money to buy goods in the black market then you starve.

maduro became lazy , didn`t do shit plus what has been said above ..e.t.c

>hey lets suddlenly start killing everyone thats against us and destroy everything trying to create a communist utopia
>wait other countries don't like us now? wtf i hate media now- nicholas maduro

what sanctions you stupid moron?

the first PERSONAL sanctions appeared when they started killing people, the USA had been paying them $120-140 for a barrel of oil for a decade

yes ,they will have to eat literal tree`s

>Rich Eating Well in Venezuela, Basque Executive Shows

>Agustin Otxotorena, a Basque executive living in Caracas, grew tired of constant calls from friends and relatives in Spain telling him that there was no food in Venezuela, so on May 20 he began publishing photos on Facebook of supermarkets in upscale sectors of Caracas filled with goods.

>"If you have money there is champagne … vodka, Belgian chocolates … lobster, brand-name clothes, exclusive restaurants … nightclubs, beaches … yachts, golf clubs—a whole country within a country where there are no poor, women and children are blond, go to exclusive schools, exclusive universities, and vacation, where Blacks or poor are the waiters … ,” he posted on his Facebook page.

>In his analysis he stated that the phenomenon stems from corruption in import processes, subsidies by the government, and the existence of buying, re-selling and smuggling of subsidized essential goods by "bachaqueros", linked to Colombian paramilitary groups.
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>What's going on in Venezuela?
The wonders of socialism

Do you think this will result in war? What are the consequences for other southern american countries? I would assume the americas might get there own refugee wave soon. Maybe that's the idea in the first place. Like, why aren't there UN troops handing out emergency aide?

my father have a store and a blonde woman arrived there to buy something and started talking stories about cuba, that is a rich and white place with blonde people and everything is free, and my father actually believed it

imagine the security you need to guard those shops which actually have food when there are deadly hunger riots outside

they not gonna last long

Price controls were stupid. Redistributing existing farm land was stupid. Concentrating so much population in a few huge cities was stupid.

They have plenty of land and water resources, the population was just too lazy getting their votes bought with oil money to make use of it.

They need some proper natsoc autarky.

speaking on venezuela...
frontpagemag.com/point/263003/bernie-sanders-socialist-disaster-venezuela-no-daniel-greenfield

Southern US has been getting a lot of Venezuelan immigrants for at least 15 years now.

Much better than Mexicans, imo.

>silly peasants there is food, see the caviar and champagne
>Just cone and by all these food

>Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro formally endorsed “revolutionary friend” Bernie Sanders for president during a broadcast Tuesday night

reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-usa-idUSKCN0YN32Q

breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/01/venezuela-nicolas-maduro-supports-bernie-sanders/

>Live in a white closed and gated comunity
>Socialism works guys

>only for the rich

lel

Hopefully.

Maduro is intent on keeping all the power. They've been trying to remove him by democratical means and he just doesn't give up. Certainly a civil war seems as the only way out. Even the parliment has tell the army that the time will come when they have to choose between Maduro and the venezuelan people.

All the people he usually supports around is the people who got financed by him. Like Podemos in Spain

Here in Germany there are unironically people believing Bernie is decent guy the establishment can't blackmail.

>Revolutionary friend

It's hard to wrap my head around this, but yeah. Latin America is full of crazy contradictions like this

Press F
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No, they will probably have a soft collapse, a change of government and many years of getting back to where they were before but no, the situation won't explode like that

Also, every latin american country has been receiving venezuelans for a while now.
And Maduro is refusing intenational aid, he thinks accepting humanitarian aid is accepting that socialism fucked up. He tries to keep the image that it's bachaqueros are "not socialist enough" and breaking the perfectly working system.

yep. and the former rulers will get lynched if they dont take off quickly

LOL at that quote

That's fucked up. Letting people die because "I can't be wrong".

Tell that to Iran.

i wonder what happened 2014/2015

>He tries to keep the image that it's bachaqueros are "not socialist enough" and breaking the perfectly working system.

Aren't they the ones smuggling Venezuelan food out of the country? According to that Basque rich guy they're in cahoots with the Anti-Socialists which is kind of fucked up too.

>This is what has lead to the lack of foodstuffs in working class and poor neighborhoods of the country. It is estimated that 40 percent of these products, are taken out of the country.
>Colombian paramilitaries earn more money from these Venezuelan goods than from the production and marketing of cocaine, Otxotorena added.
>Otxotorena’s conclusion is that indeed there is a war against the Venezuelan people, whose criminal and coup character is encouraged by some international media "that would not bear or endure a 10th of these behaviors if they occurred in their countries.
>"Everything goes toward the overthrow of Chavismo. However, whatever, whenever ... The only thing that matters to them (the opposition), even if the country is destroyed, is to get the Blacks, the poor, the Indigenous, the ‘ugly people’ or ‘peasants’ out of power.
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>What's going on in Venezuela
Who fucking cares?

When communists and Latin Americans combine their powers they become the Voltron of failure.

Socialist states drain money due to entitlements.

This is the problem with planned economies: Economic trends are hard to predict, and plans go awry.

Lel.


To think in Spain in 2014 I talked to people who believed Venezuela was in a good path and should vote for Podemos

>He tries to keep the image that it's bachaqueros are "not socialist enough" and breaking the perfectly working system.
My favorite communist defense mechanism
>EVERYTHING WOULD BE WORKING IF IT WASN'T REEEEEEEEEEEEE

I wondered this as well because I started seeing commie rallies in Sydney with "say no to right wing coups in Venezuela"


Confirmed Australian communists are fucking morons

To be fair part of the reason why they're fucked is because of low oil prices but then again they put all their eggs in one basket.

So basically there not being any food aids the cartels like the criminalization of drugs does?

Now you know where your people's mental illnesses come from first hand.

I'm not saying that bachaqueros aren't bad, but they are caused by the socialist price controls.
You didn't had this problem when the market wasn't heavily regulated as it is now.

No hay pan, mi negro gordo.

They would have been fucked either way, the infrastructure was falling apart before oil tanked because communism rewards sloth and incompetence.

Venezuelaanalysis is biased, they belong to the government.

The claims about Colombian paramilitaries and 40% of the food being sent out of the country are unfounded. We'd be flooded already if that were the case.

Contraband in the frontier has always existed, though

Sadly this. I'm Ecuador, we're on the same path

I realized communism must be shitty considering everybody who actually lived through it doesn't like it very much. Or at least the majority. It's always just folks who were born in capitalist countries who idealize communism.

We still remember our savior, thanks Pinochet.

ayyyy
Why are rich people the ones pushing socialist shit?

Also, for any Peruvian here.
We should prepare ourselves for 2021, otherwise Veronika is going to screw us hard. Remeber, one us has more more meme power than our entire country

Ask your east German uncle about it some time.

It's good to know at least some of the south americans appreciate what we tried to do for them.

>veronica
is she a fujimori, stop getting raped by the japs user, wtf man.

No, what he (the rich Basque guy) is saying is that Colombian paramilitary groups, called Bachaqueros, stand in the breadlines with everyone else. They then get free food, then go back to Colombia and sell it for near market price, then they pocket the profits. Supposedly the Bachaqueros are in cahoots with the anti-chavistas who use it to create anti socialist sentiment and start a coup.

Makes sense

>Why are rich people the ones pushing socialist shit?
Because it makes it easier to stay rich.

Hey Peru, I think I'm gonna go and buy some electronics in Huaquillas. Another tax rising now here

>When communists and Latin Americans combine their powers they become the Voltron of failure.

Last I heard you where doing great, even teachers have high salaries what happened?

I've got an uncle actually who visited the the GDR for work related reasons. He says worker right were basically non existent and there were about zero safety standards in the factories. Long story short, he though it would suck big time.

Communists and leftists from the 1st world in general have always been like that. I remember in the 90s and early 00s they fully supported the Colombian guerillas despite of everything they did

this actually isn't true
eastern bloc nostalgia about the old days is actually very prevalent

no demographic failure
okay lives, not very rich, but noone starving
mediocre healthcare and schools, but free and for everyone
low crime
some lack of freedom, but at least commies didn't have the advanced technologies of the modern day or the internet

If PPK wins, IGV is going to go down to 15%

That's propaganda. Government wasted all the oil money when it was at high price amd now we face unemployment and ridiculous taxes. There's no savings

>they created literally a "good living" ministry

Veronika Mendosa, aka TOTALLY NOT A FORMER COMMUNIST.

Fair enough.

>will

It's alredy happening.

> nostalgia about the old days

some crazies are nostalgic because they were young and healthy back then, but most people hate that time.

Russians are nostalgic for completely different reasons, they remember being an imperialist superpower and want their empire back

When will Central and South America have fascist dictators again?

Communism and socialism are memes.

He died for your sins. He made Texas great again.

Now we need a fascist Brazil to save southamerica.

The thing is I heard that from a teacher from your country that came with her students to the UNAM a couple years ago, they all seemed well off.


Sad, where could u read more about it mate?

Blissful ignorance, I guess.

That's how socialismus goes.
First there is huge capitalism-built economy to loot and the masses feast on it.
Then the loot runs out and the country stagnates or blows up.