So

So...

Can we finally agree after the 18th shooting incident in the US just this year and 65 last year that maybe we should be a little harsher on gun control...?

fuck off. no ones givin up their guns. and even if they did. you can still buy a gun no matter what the fucking law is.
we need mental health reform/overhaul.

We can't do anything because a bunch of rich guys who owned people 250 years ago wrote an amendment saying so. I'm just glad they didn't make an amendment saying that dudes were allowed to fuck children, because once it's written, you just have to accept it forever, right?

The right: The problem isn't the guns. It's mental health, so we need mental health reform.

The left: Okay, so we will need to set aside money to do this.

The right: That's socialism! Fuck you!

Here is your reply.

The point isn't that you can win pitched battles against a professional army with all its ordinance, as a rag-tag citizens' militia with small arms. The point is that you CAN FIGHT. You can bleed them. When they come patrolling through your neighborhood, you might be able to take a couple of them with you. Hell, you might even be able to run away and do it again; they couldn't engage in endless "manhunts" for everyone who resisted them. They'd never feel safe and there could be shooters behind any window.

Of course, they COULD call in the artillery and air-support and level your neighborhood, sure. What would this get them though? Well, it would piss a lot of people off when innocents died and play into the hands of rebels. It would make a lot of the soldiers in that professional military seriously consider whether they were doing the right thing or not. Finally, it would simply kill people, and NO ONE wants to rule a nation of corpses.

The aim of a tyrant is to control, not to kill. What they want is to be able to have militarized police & gestapo point guns at people and cow them into submission to whatever dictates they want to impose. If citizens are instead waiting behind their doors and ready to shoot first when the jackbooted thugs come around, they've already failed.

So, the point is to fight. If you resist, you're not being controlled, and you're also undermining attempts to control others who can't or won't fight. Yes, you might die, of course. However, that's why Patrick Henry said what he famously said, more or less.

"As long as people can resist, they can be free, and tyrants can never succeed." When you're talking about using swords, knives and clubs against modern military weapons though, it ACTUALLY becomes pointless, because you can't bleed them at all. They'll just shoot you with beanbags, rubber, water cannons, microwave guns and other submission devices.

That's why Americans having guns is so important.

left, right, who gives a shit. we need Americans to make changes for Americans, not some fucking retarded 2 party system where lobbying is king.

Just make all guns and bullets illegal, owning/selling/manufacturing . . . worked quite well with drugs

It's seriously never the case that any one ever asks gun owners to "give up" their guns, whatever that means. But Trump did rescind an Obama policy that made it harder for people with mental health issues to get guns. Is that what you mean by "mental health reform?"

No thank you.

Guess what else gun advocates support? Massive slashes in Mental Health care budgets both federally and on a state level. Sure, you and the rest of the Right will hoot and holler about increasing funding now, but when this dies down, as they all do, you'll quietly go back to that core principal of 'fuck social welfare programs of any kind'.

Sorry if this came off bitchy, really hoping you and others will see that just maybe the left has SOME valid stances that could truly be adopted.

No

>a little harsher on gun control...?
Apparently everyone that had contact with the latest psycho said he was a bad seed. That didn't stop him from passing a background check.

Let's "finally agree" to stop running psyops on Sup Forums

yeah of course, be proud of your mental disgrace, if you like to watch people dying no matter their country youre a shitty person bro

>a bunch of rich guys
This is the depth of understanding of a progressive about the founding fathers and their motivations during the Continental Congress. Go back to watching Real Housewives of Something Something.

nope. Have a nice day now.

And alcohol.

Guess what else gun control advocates support? Anal rape of children.

We can straw man all day, faggot.

>maybe we should be a little harsher on gun control...?

oy vey, Shlomo, you're right!

honest people shall not have guns!!

Canada has had 19 school shootings since 1884. The US has had 18 school shootings THIS YEAR. Clearly the US needs mental health reform, because y'all must be nuts not to realize that stricter gun regulations save kids lives.

this retarded

access to guns is too far gone for immediate solutions. it would take decades to start a reversal on policy. the best bet is indeed mental health policies to flag warning signs and address them, not punish them.

The lefts stances are moving goal posts that don’t stop until you arrive in Venezuela. You see, they know better than us. We only want rifles because we’re idiots that can’t see how simple it really is. Defending against the possibility of government tyranny is laughable... although you can name dozens of disarmed countries right now who are under dictatorship.

If I give up my right to own meaningful weapons, I will never again have a choice about what rights I have or do not have. I will have only what I am given. I will die before that happens. I am American. My family feels the same way. We mean it, I can’t stress that enough. We will actually fight if forced. I will happily die free rather than live without freedom. As a father, I want my children to have the same mindset. Because I have seen life in this world that does not live under freedom. I have looked it in the eyes.

But always remember the military and law enforcers are the most red pilled folks. They don’t want a Disarming war. I was military, and I was a model marine. But I would have fragged any officer that tried to send me into a town. And no false flag would ever change that.

I’m here. I’m one of millions. And I’ll be here tomorrow.

What are you suggesting?

>background checks
There are already background checks

>Mentally ill can't buy guns
the people who have been determined as mentally ill already can't buy guns.

>No guns for felons
Felons already can't legally possess guns

>No just walking into a store and picking up a machine gun off the rack
Already have to go through extensive background checks and get a license to have a machine gun.

>No assault weapons
Assault weapon is a made up term that doesn't really have any definition and basically boils down to "scary looking" guns which can be internally exactly the same as "hunting rifles".

The U.S. already has extensive and adequate gun control laws. The problem with crime is you can't get people to stop doing it by making it illegal. It is already illegal and they are willing to break the law. What happened is a tragedy and we need news media to stop sensationalizing it to make and draw further attention to it and for liberals to fucking stop standing on the graves of the victims to turn it to their political advantage. Stop being such a cunt.

>not a single shooting in Arkanas

C-can anyway tell me w-why?

Well said. Somebody who gets it.

>makes thread after thread claiming a statically insignificant number of deaths are more significant than they are
At this point I'm starting to think the crackpots who claim Soros hired shills are right.

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no, because the teachers should have been armed and stopped him long before he got to 17 kills.

the guns are already here. confiscation simply isn't happening.

>he's anti-gun
>he's a phonetard
>he posts image macros after 2010
Let me guess, you're also 25 and live in a city. Fucking effeminate.

Fuck off kike. Go shill on reddit

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH AMERICANS ARE YOU ALL MENTALLY ILL OR RETARDED

LIKE HOLY SHIT YOU'RE ALL ON PRESCRIBED PILLS AND YOU JUST WHINE THATS ALL YOU FUCKING DO IS WHINE

>maybe we should be a little harsher on gun control...?

Nope. How about we look at the medicating children & lack of security or armed police in schools, those "gun free zones".

Policy change never took effect. Blocked by dems

No. The guns aren't the problem. I happen to live in Vermont, Vermont and New Hampshire continually switch places for first when it comes to the least amount of gun violence in the country. Vermont does not give a flying fuck about guns, New Hampshire gives a very slight fuck about guns. Parents and teachers need to start paying attention. They need to start disciplining kids. If I had ever threaten to shoot up a school, my dad would have beat me within an inch of my life, because it's not an appropriate thing to say, and it's not an appropriate way to act. When I grew up, the guns were always locked up, and I did not touch one unless I was under the immediate and direct supervision of my dad. I was not allowed to handle a gun on my own, for example hunting, until I was 18.

>17 lives worth $30

yeah okay 150 rounds each has a chance to kill a person

no fucking thank you

How does it feel to live in the country equivalent of a soyboy?

more guns = more control

Ah, so the grand solution, after all these shootings.

Do nothing.

The implication that somebody who's planning to shoot up a public area would tell anyone beforehand...are you autistic?

If we ban guns we need to ban them for everyone. Arm the police and military with slingshots.

I am for gun equality. The people should have equal access to guns as their government to ptevent tyranny.

Kek, nice bullshit meme, fag
Migrant "refugees" from 3rd world shitholes assault and murder European people far more often than crazy gunmen assault and murder US people, and yet we don’t see any of these Eurocunt nanny state retards calling for a ban on 3rd world migrants. Quite the opposite in fact; they're calling for more, more, more!

Stop trying to pretend that European countries only "want to protect their populations from violence" when your actions show the exact opposite to be true.

Do you actually have a workable solution or are you going to just say "take all the guns" or "Lulz, stupid americans they should just make bullets $1000000 each".

My point is that the US already has gun control and all these ideas don't work.

Die free? Not unless you can go back 120 years to die you won't. No one is free here. It's getting better but it's not there yet.

I won't be fighting for my freedom. I'll be fighting for our lives. Freedom long gone. Everything requires permission now. The police have figured out how to ignore our rights and get away with it. I won't give up my guns. Not for freedom. But for life.

We dont have people walking into schools doing mass stabbings you fucking moron.

Unbelievable that their are some of you fuckers that can't seem to fathom mass gun ownership is outdated and unwarranted

There was a mass stabbing in china

Why do you eurocucks have such a hard on for big brother?

Maybe more school kids should be allowed guns to defend themselves. Notice how all these shootings are in gun free zones

We should probably have put that kid in a mental ward after he posted all that shit, and bought that gun. A 48 hour hold could have determined if he needed more help. If he made threats during that 48 hours they could have held him longer. I'm not saying it would have absolutely prevented this, but it might have.

last time i checked criminals dont follow the law. Also marijuana and alcohol prohibition worked so great, so lets do something like that huh?

The 2nd A is there to make sure all the rest stay in place.

Fuck your thought of gun control. We have many laws already they prevent LAW ABIDING citizens form doing something illegal. Criminals don't obey those laws.

Not school kids, but why not trained teachers or faculty?

How about better mental healthcare and the government actually giving a shit about its population?

Maybe idiots shouldn't keep their guns unsecured around people who might use them to harm others, and maybe some sort of "checking in" system should be in place to ensure all guns are securely locked away.

I don't know, but it's better than "well we already tried all we can think of, oh well."

exactly i know if those teachers were armed and trained to defend those kids, this would not have happened. Instead gun control advocates want to take away the guns from law abiding citizens which will just create a LARGE BLACK MARKET for guns, and leave law abiding citizens defenseless

Yeah because the drug war and making them illigal worked SOOOOOOOO well.

prohibition called they want to give you a history lesson, also the assault weapons ban from the 90s left a voice mail for you, about how "assault" weapon incidents went through the roof during that ban

I see, so the US ought to have gun laws like they have in the UK, to prevent gun violence from increasing.

Is that why gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the past year? You utterly fucking retarded cunt.

Schools are already underfunded. You think most schools could afford to pay for their teachers to get a FOID card? Plus there's tons of liability issues with keeping firearms on a school campus.

Plus, with the shit teachers put up with combined with their shit wages, how do you know these teachers won't just commit their own mass shooting?

Because the earliest school shootings in America were done by teachers. It would be like arming mailmen.

>The left: Okay, so we will need to set aside money to do this.

>thinking the left wants to genuinely improve mental health
that money would go to more gential surgery for mentally ill faggots, if they really cared about mental health they wouldn't be encouraging these people to chop their dicks off and up their chances are suicide

>lets solve the gun problem by giving more people guns!

Did OP ever mention anything about making guns illegal? No? Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you're retarded.

Nope.

Seriously fuck off. How many of these Soros threads are gonna keep popping up day in and day out?

Fuck off. Stop pushing anti gun agenda you god damn creeps. Fuck the fuck off.

Watching the conversation from retards on both sides is pretty comical, yet depressing.

>harsher on gun control

Why don't you deal with the niggers and everything will be fixed? Don't buy into these myths that Swiss gun culture for example is something different and that's why they have lots of guns but low homicide rates.

The answer is niggers.

What do you mean some sort of checking in system? Are you saying you feel the government should check in to make sure people are being responsible with their guns?

I agree, we need better mental health screening but you can't just take a person's rights away without due process. There are interests on both sides that need to be protected. I think we need more societal exposure to guns and to normalize guns. People should be used to guns and they shouldn't be a terrifying thing. That is the only way I think to really broadly spread gun responsibility and safety.

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implying china is in europe

Guys, how about we solve the gun problem by giving people MORE guns? THAT WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING RIGHT??

How come he didn't post it on Sup Forums though?

Smells like freedom.

>The US already has gun control.

Fucking kek.

Instead you give them entire camps and sectioned off areas of cities and "no-go zones" as to not upset the innocent fighting age male victims of 3rd world conflict.

>We can't stay mad at them, they don't know raping women and children is wrong, poor guys

>sure we'll accommodate your primitive cultural values by compromising ours, anything you want, just maybe knock off the rape and beating of our people, please? No? Okay well at least think about it.

How much does the Jidf pay you to make these posts shill?

Kids don't do so well hiding emotion. Leave the basement sometime

This guy has never bought a gun in the US.

Nope, there's enough gun control already.

I wonder..

There was one mass stabbing in China???

Well that proves EVERYTHING! ALL4GUNZ LOL!!!!!!!!!!1111

No

No you leftist scum we will not give up our rights just to make you cucked pussies feel better.

Why can't we just train and arm all the kids in schools so they could defend ownself?

Good post. But what's up with the name you gave to your picture of Jefferson?

Yep a guy stabbed 24 kids in a school.

18th? Care to show your work? Prove there were 18. List them.

that change only effects people on SS(D)I for mental illness. people like to say we need mental health reform instead of gun control, but that's not going to work unless we have mandatory psychiatry visits and a sex offender tier registry for everyone with diagnosed mental health problems. then you run into the problem of 'who is going to pay for the psychiatry and medications?' which will never be solved. gun control is the only solution until the healthcare issue is solved.

Like the US would give a fuck

>muh freedum

nobody wants to talk about the facts that current gun laws are not enforced consistently. in my state a couple months ago a felon shot and killed 4 people. he was previously arrested for illegal gun possession but the prosecuting attorney for the state dropped the charges if he pled guilty to a lesser offense. so how the fuck do you fix that? more unenforced laws?

what do you think gun control means to the left
look at Chicago. Now GTFO Sup Forums tell your boss you failed.

You’re right, i got an M249 as a prize in my happy meal.

If I paid the extra $2 i would have got a bi-pod for it

If Ned had a Glock he wouldn't have lost his head.

Yea that's all well and good but half the "muh guns" tards are In the military or police or support policies that make a police state closer to existence. Nobody is going to be a rebel faction. Look at the last few groups of people who "held up their rights" they got cowed into a corner and starved out both times. This argument is just rebel fetishism and using outdated policies to defend blowing up cans in a back yard with military hardware. I've done it too, it's fucking fun but there no reason you can't have businesses (there are plenty already) for this. Limit the type of arms and how many one can own. Register it with a purpose of use and if it's used for another then you lose that weapon and have to go through a class and re registration like a gun DUI of sorts. Its not a hard concept but morons like you believe that everyone should be paranoid gun hoarders waiting for the army to come take you to the slave camps. Lord have mercy upon yall.

Dude your women are literally being assraped to death by muslims and the police stand by and do nothing.

Muslims are throwing GRENADES at cop cars in Europe. And you want us to give up our guns?

Holy shit you fucking cucks. Fuck off. And open wide for muhammed.

do you have source for this information.

42% increase in uk would still not even be a drop in the ocean for the shitstorm tsunami america...WHY ARE YOU EVEN DEFENDING THIS SHIT!?
ITS MENTAL!!
THE REST OF THE WORLD PRETTY MUCH doesnt even Care anymore when it comes to this. You are the equivalent of an autistic retard chained up in a backyard that keeps self harming in its own belligerent overexcitement.

A fucking tragic joke.

Even muslim countries have no love for terrorists. You embrace them and staunchly uphold your gun laws proudly, burying your head in the sand with your fingers in your ears shouting over any voice of reason

18?? List them. Oh, right, you are just parroting what you have been told to say. No thinking for yourself. Nope, that would require too much effort on your part.

I bet few of them died. It's easy to pull the trigger but it's hard to stab someone with a knife propertly so he'd die.

As a non american in a cucked nation without guns looking at this from my pov the answer is clear

There are so many guns in the US that the only logical choice is to have armed guards or allow the students to carry guns. The concept of a gun free zone in a nation with hundreds of millions of firearms is extremely retarded, either nobody has guns or everyone needs them.

They can if they have an undiagnosed mental illness. It's not like children can't be reclusive or shut people out or anything.

fucking lold

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Government entities will always have guns and the amount of killing they do will always outweigh(more like dwarf) that of disfunctional mass shooters. But gun control advocates wouldn't dare bite the hand that feeds them. No, it's easier to bully citizens out of their rights than to actually solve the real gun problem. You need to eat shit, just like democrats always do. "Shall not be infringed upon," you masochistic, government, sub.