Anti-Trump Sentiment by Musicians

Does it ruin music for you if they make it too political?

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Not really because I don't really like trump myself

I’m a big Trump fan and voted for him so actual answer:
Depends to what degree. If a musician is outspoken about him outside of music I couldn’t care less. On the other hand I love some of Ministry’s older works but their antifa and anti Trump shit during concerts has turned me off of them completely.
Just keep the shit out of your art and we can both disagree on politics. Also if someone is incessantly whiny about it I will lose interest. I grew up loving Mr Show and Patton Oswalt but they’ve been so incredibly whiny this year that I can’t stand Patton or David Cross anymore.

yes
i dont like a song if it takes sides either way

>Does it ruin music for you if they make it too political?
it depends on how it's done.

I don't like it if they mention politicians by name. As long as they keep it to promoting/criticizing various beliefs instead of individual politicians I don't mind.

If political music ever made a difference they would outlaw it.
Yeah, all that shitty punk music really stopped Reagan and bush from getting two terms. Moron.

Punk is the worst. All the shit about punching nazis. Nazis don’t exist anymore...

I am not whole against political music. What i am against is laziness.

"Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown"

Sounds way better than

FUCK DRUMPFFLUFFF DRUMFF FUCK A DRUMP

To me the dead kennedys are the apex predator political punk band, they let everyone have it

Right wingers:

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It's just platitudinous shit, like Christian rock. Agenda music is usually not very good.

I don’t mind if a record is political or not, my choice to agree or not, you don’t have to adopt someone’s values just because they are speaking

If your worldview is so shallow that you can’t accept someone having different opinions, then you probably have some issues to work out

the second you openly pick a political side as a musician you alienate half the country and you make less money

Not my problem though is it

Well the entire population isn't buying your music anyway. On top of that, the average person doesn't really care about someone else's opinions. Expressing political views in music is now a way of gaining retweets and views. It's a brilliant marketing stratergy because millions of stupid young people will pretend to like your music if they agree with the message. You'll end up making more money by pretending to be #woke than you will by not trying to piss people off.

What's your yearly income?

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No, you make more money by being taylor swift and not picking a side.
You dont make any money from broke sjw's who live with their parents still

You make money by making "happy" by pharell williams.

Only if the argument is dumb and naive to a ridiculous degree.
But the provocativeness of the naivety may also be entertaining if the performance is top notch.
I like criticism, if it's done well.

>being taylor swift and not picking a side.

Some on the right wing don't even like Trump, I don't get the hard on for a scandalous billionaire that feeds on the meek to earn his money (like with gambling).
This side is barely scratched by the punk scene though... it's all race politics and gender politics.

Whatever happened to writing songs for the working man? The struggler?

>a photoshopped image with something she never said

oh bravo you proved me wrong

There is a word for you.

Its called "cuck"

>$0.02 has been deposited into your account

These guys are doing it all wrong. Successful political music doesn't involve calling people names, it works by protesting some social injustice like CSN or Springsteen did.

/our girl/
She’s as redpilled as pop starlets get.

Also people should criticise the way he has barely stopped border issues. Those issues affect the working class of America, yet nobody talks about that because it's not politically correct.

I heard a quote from Gordan Ramsey the other day complaining that he could no longer afford cheap immigrant labour. Why is endorsing the enslavement of immigration a "moral" thing today? It doesn't make sense. Diversity is a bullshit agenda to create an impoverished immigrant class. It's disgusting.

And Trump should be criticised for not squashing it completely.
Oh and let's not start on the brain drain from 3rd world countries.

> I'm a Big Trump Fan
Fuck off you Loon

IDpol has everyone distracted by race, while they lose the class war

>waaah you think differently from us get out of our hug box!!!

>cuck
>criticising the lack of his border policies in protecting the interests of the working class

You sound like the cuck actually. Cucks talk purely about the diversity bullshit, not about the social-economic issues and the real reason why they exist (see )
They also avoid talking about the fact that Trump seems to be barely different from the previous admins. He still hasn't caught that witch. He is lagging to build that wall.

Music never comments on this perspective.

>>>/leftypol/

I don’t understand your thinking. Trump hasn’t even finished his first year and he’s already done more in terms of regulations and shit that actually matters that any previous president. The wall also literally just got funded and prototypes are standing. You’re criticizing him for not having a magic wand. All while fighting opposition from literally every side. Seriously, grow up.

I consider myself a constitutional conservative, but i still jam to radio dept. Because i like the music and i really don't take politics all too seriously, at least in America. I don't like trump. i didn't like hillary, bernie or stein. Not because i'm a le contrarian, but because usually anyone who thinks they are a good candidate to make decisions that impact the entire global community is a megalomanic fuckhead. And this time around, that was the case.

xD

Wow look at this mature individual.

I can't listen to any music unless I know it was made by a right-leaning person, so I mostly listen to martial industrial and some metal.

The only exception is Meshuggah, I don't know their political leaning but I suppose they're Swedish lefties.

I dont like any politics in songs wether it agrees with me or not

>Trump hasn’t even finished his first year and he’s already done more in terms of regulations and shit that actually matters that any previous president.
Not enough, the cumulative effect of previous presidents means he still needs to do more.
I know that might strain his ability, but he should at least try.

The rich are consolidating their wealth before automation and energy abundance changes everything

In 20 years the working class will be a strange distant memory

And nah I’m not a lefty, you don’t need to be lefty to see the obvious massive transfer of wealth going on

Only because the left continually shill on that board.

Sup Forums doesn't talk about the working class man enough. It's the working class that are the most affected by illegal immigration and the corporatocracy.
It is the working class that a majority of the Trump Casino participants come from.

And trickle down is not a good enough economic policy, there needs to be better intervention and use of the capital of big corporations for the benefit of all people.
For too long have they neglected the working class.

And no, tax is not good enough, tariffs do need to happen perhaps though. Legislation needs to intervene with the actions of corporations, they no longer are the size they used to be at the foundation of America. They shouldn't be treated the same way by the outdated constitutional restrictions on making legislation to influence their actions.

Again. It hasn’t even been a year. You’re really not being reasonable at all.

It's better to be impatient with presidents.
That way it pushes them harder.

The thing about Trump is he’s proven his entire life that if he can do anything it is get shit done. The fact that the media refuses to talk positively about him doesn’t mean he’s doing nothing. ISIS isn’t even a fraction as powerful as they used to be thanks to his command. But this doesn’t make the news because they can’t twist it to talk about Russia.

not really presidents dont read your comments

A ripple leads to waves user.

I'm also worried about that epstein connection.
But something tells me it's not what it seems considering his more recent actions.

But that would be really easy
Syria, Russia
There, done

What if the musician in question hates all presidents (the ones where he was sober enough to care) equally for different reasons?

I agree there is room for improvement, but i find it immoral for the majority to take anyone's earnings and give it away to someone else. And you will be hard pressed to find a government that hasn't taken control of corporate wealth and crumbled under coruption as a result. I propose we allow our goverment to found companies that compete with private ones while not assuming control of those private corporations. Let comcast compete with federal internet and everyone else benifit. Want it cheap? Buy fed. Want it private? Buy private. Simple.

They’d already taken raqqa back before trump was elected
Most of the advance had already happened, despite trump’s spin

You should fact check more

>but i find it immoral for the majority to take anyone's earnings and give it away to someone else
If the money isn't producing enough or is able to create efficient production but doesn't there is an implied duty as the state relies on it's citizens to exist and the state is required to enforce the pragmatic use of that currency. Stupid people hoard money, hoarding it eventually leads to the decrease in the amount of real value produced. Money is a tool to produce real value, otherwise it's just a bit of paper.

I find it not only immoral, but utterly illogical.

So what are people adorned in nazi uniform and iconography, doing nazi salutes, advocating for ethnic cleansing, and openly admiring nazi figures


What are they if not nazis

When Albarn said Humanz is a reflection on the "world where Trump can be president" I just knew album is fucked
It's a shame tho, I was really looking forward to those guys coming back

Are people dressed up as knights at renaissance fairs knights?

Politics don't come from the soul - most political songs are made by people who can't face their personal problems and own lives (f.e. Jim Morrison in later years). They're essentially dishonest and therefore not very good. Though there are some exceptions in the people that seem to really, truly care (like GY!BE).
All that being said, I've slowly turned conservative over the last two years after living in Berlin and seeing what a truly 'progressive' community leads to.

Epstein is a scumbag but he was also incredibly successful in many other areas. To just blindly assume that every connection he had involved weird sex crimes is just narrow minded. It’s fine to remain skeptical but it’s ignorant to just make connections based on logical fallacies.

where?

yes

>this thread
Based political hobbyists

>All the shit about punching nazis
What about that Sex Pistols TV appearance where the producer told them to cover up the swastikas on a female fan in the camera shot?

You're talking about the Dead Kennedys clique. Not all punk is one colour. There is an "oi" scene too.

It doesn't have a good appearance though.

Honestly, it does bother me. That being said I respect artists using their music for political expression and would not allow it to prevent me from enjoying it entirely if it was otherwise good music.

Trolls. And there are like 200 of them total in the US. You're delusional and hallucinating ebil nazees in the dark.

It's not the expression.
It's the lack of persuasiveness. They don't even try to convince others to see their opinion.

Nothing like Grunge for example.
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This sort of expression needs to happen again. The expression of the struggle of those that don't swim well, those that are struggling to get their shit together.

>i take marching orders from the mainstream media

you do you

Its sad because s/t, demon days and plastic beach were great

Problem is most people just put forth talking points in political music. This is something even Joy Villa's new song had, so it's not a right vs left problem.

I think as of today, politics should be kept out of music. It's too much BS and the artist is eventually forced to take one talking points side or the other. I enjoyed Open Mike Eagle's new album, for example, but I went on his Twitter and he literally RTd every single music journalist, even if they had 20 subs, for praising his album(except althony rightano), and a whole lot of verified liberals screaming how beautiful the album was(it was, but their reactions were so extra). He was clearly taking a huge side, regardless of him wanting to or not. Even Joy Villa went from simply supporting Trump to now being InfoWars spokesperson (I bring her up to show it's not a left wing only issue).

TL;dr: keep politics out of music, because even if I enjoy political music, the bullshit talking points cycle people will try their best to claim it, artists forced to take sides, ruins experience of music.

Thank god he killed himself.

The original nu-male.

Watch the last 2 years of interviews... he saw what a mess he made.

But that was the point of grunge.. destruction of everything because society doesn't do shit for you.

They knew about JFK if you've read the released FBI docs recently.
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>society doesn't do shit for you
>middle class
>food and water
>safety
>could afford a guitar and the free time to play it
>Companies offering to finance your music
>companies promoting your music
>kids with disposable cash buy your music in bulk
>now a millionaire
>Society gave me NUFFIN

Reminds me of modern NFL players. Oh you’re oppressed? You have multiple millions of dollars for catching a ball once a week. Shut the fuck up.

>implying he didn't admit all of that
>that's why he was so angry, he felt dead even with cash, life felt pointless

They had an entire alternative universe set up in the book and on the website
Yeah, they got topical with it sometimes [spoiler] 9/11 [/spoiler], but going all in on "trump is bad hurr-durr" somehow completely ruined it for me
I mean come the fuck on, literally singing about the wall is just poor taste

Seriously? Why is an Englishman singing about another country’s border security? Does he write tracks about how Japan accepts basically no refugees every year?

Yes, that's what being a neurotic, estrogen-ridden numale will get you

Money is not just a tool to produce value, it is a representation of value that has already been produced. If a society deems that the goods and services an individual produces are property of that society and not of that individual, then you demotivate that individual to produce which has been the downfall of many historic communist societies, as well as strip them of the basic individual freedom to craft their own destiny and suffer their own consequences, which is essentially the very definition of freedom.

>implying that isn't the most nihilistic punk statement of all time

though testosterone-ridden paranoid ole males are the most obnoxious creatures there are
at least he killed himself, whereas it takes other people to kill these types

>next gorillaz album: OPEN BORDERS FOR ISRAEL NOW

>I don't realise Trump won the election because of Murdoch's media empire in the US

If he did, would you be cool with it?

Rasa fell with help from US forces this year. Operations had already been in place but he was also the one who sent soldiers to Afghanistan to wrangle up ISIS there as well after the MOAB was dropped.

>Money is not just a tool to produce value
But it is. It's existence is used as a tool to exchange value between two people without using bartering. It's the most effective mediating tool used in a society and it's there to produce a malleable nexus that people can use to make things and exchange things.

It's purely a productive tool.

> it is a representation of value that has already been produced
That's part of why it's useful in producing something.
Holding money and not doing it is effectively holding it from the flow of money in a state. That effectively means it's "doing nothing". It's like clotted blood.

Well, to be fair Humanz feature a fuckton of American artists, and Albarns vocals are only like 30% of the whole album
The rest is one hit wonders from a year ago, like Rag'n'Bones and etc
Which just makes the whole album look like its desperately trying to get attention of "kids these days"
"We all singing about how bad Trump is! Are we cool again?"
Why can't we just have fun with music like in the good ol' days?

To ascribe this aesthetic delusionally to every Trump supporter is beyond hypocritical and retarded. You know for a fact it isn't common, at all.and Richard Spencer is a gag. There were black supremacists that supported King does that mean he was a racist?

Are you female?

Uhmmm no? That would mean the Jewish population would be replaced? We need to protect our people and culture.

Mods delete this shit identity politics thread

Humanz was garbage even without the unnecessary political concept.

>that supported King
Oh boy, you're gonna love the FBI docs coming out in 2027 on King.
He was a complete degenerate apparently. A massive liar.

Well, rumoured anyway.

>Drumpf won because media
>literally the entire media establishment including the most popular Fox News anchors were actively campaigning against him and making fun of him from day 1 of his campaign
Take off the idiot goggles before it's too late user.

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No it would be as retarded as singing about a wall. Every great country has a strong wall. But god forbid America wants to have one too.

It's a good thread, it's about why so much criticism of Trump sucks and what good criticism and musical exploitation would be.
You're the one drawing identity politics into here.

This is the most fun you can have on this shitty, boring-ass board

The Islamic State reached its height of control in late 2014, with defense consultant IHS Jane’s estimating a reach of 35,000 square miles in January 2015.

By the time Trump took office, Islamic State territory had fallen to 23,000 square miles, according to Jane’s. As of June of this year, the Islamic State controlled 14,000 square miles — and it has fallen further since. But far more of the “liberation” of territory, in square miles, took place before Trump took office, including the recapture of east Mosul as well as cities across Anbar province (Fallujah) and key Syrian cities such as Manbij that controlled the Turkish-Syrian frontier.

The plan that resulted in the liberation of Mosul and Raqqa was launched under Obama, and there wasn’t much change other than looser rules of engagement with regard to striking targets of opportunity, resulting in an increased tempo. The assault on Raqqa began in November — two months before Trump took office, using the same coalition that ultimately captured the city.

>politics thread
>not a single post about policy
Stick to music kids

You know it would be a gigantic waste of money, right?

Don’t care either way btw am not a burgerclap

I hate political hobbyists

The negative press, having ALL of Hollywood against him, running largely on his own dime, having Hillary spend literally a billion dollars against him, having every living president not support him, and still winning. Jesus Christ you have to marvel at his victory.

I will accept your statement as money being a tool to produce value. You have taught me something. But i counter your belief that a society should eliminate sources of economic stagnation at the cost of individual freedom as this is the very rationale that drove nazis to sterilize "invalids" like the disabled and mentally handicapped.