memes aside, is grimes actually good?
Memes aside, is grimes actually good?
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not really
She definitely has some very good songs
it's physically possible to enjoy her music, yes
some of her songs are decent, but she is far from great, or attractive
at publicity? yes.
hell nope.
pic related. grimes in 10 years.
at music
Is this bitch real?
Looks like an uncomfortable lifestyle
>but she is far from great
why? elaborate.
Yes.
nothing in her discography is strong enough start to finish. she's received some decent critical acclaim, but she's not really changing anything or innovating, I don't see her as being remembered as anything more than a flash in the pan like Arcade Fire
she did 4 strong albums in a row; what are you talking about?
>but she's not really changing anything or innovating
why does she need to change something or innovate in order to be good? making good music isn't enough to be considered a good artist anymore?
btw, she's innovating synthpop. she does things that nobody else did before. also her music is more complex than you think it is: rbt.asia
No. Talent-less, stale hack. I can't wait until she releases her new album that's even shittier than her last and waifufags continue to eat her shit.
she released 2 decent pop albums, that's it. and I mean that she isn't seen as influential in any mainstream or underground musical scene, no one is making music based on their love of grimes, which is an important part of being considered a great artists over time, which is what I claimed she wasn't. If you think she's good and like her music, that's whatever, you're free to do what you want, but I don't see her being remembered as anything more than the girl who had an album highly ranked in pazz and jop one year
>I can't wait until she releases her new album that's even shittier than her last
you're an autist
t. waifufag
what's it feel like to lack so much substance that your project your void onto some one so vapid?
Look I'm a fan of Grimes but none of these innovations are really all that innovative. Sure she's the first to do it (combine classical with modern stakes) with this style of pop but Sister Rosetta and Link Wray did the same thing with early rock, So did the first wave post-rock bands, Biggie and Kendrick did it with Hip Hop, King Crimson turned jazz and blues into progressive rock, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple etc. turned the same thing into Metal. Is she the first to do it to synth pop? Sure. But shes using a technique to do it that's old as music itself.
I only like Realiti demo version and Oblivion
which one?
>Is she the first to do it to synth pop
no
bjork was doing some cool stuff with synth pop and classical integration, too. At least synth pop elements.
so, in order to be great she needs to pander to mainstream, to become popular? many great artists were considered great long after they stopped making music. many artists became influential much later. case in point: the velvet underground. you imply that popularity = greatness. false. according to your logic, bieber is one of the greatest artists ever.
>she released 2 decent pop albums, that's it.
just your opinion. the consensus is that she released 4 great albums. at very least her latest 2 are considrered art pop masterpieces.
>and I mean that she isn't seen as influential in any mainstream or underground musical scene, no one is making music based on their love of grimes
don't you think it's too soon to measure her influence? her professional career doesn't have even a decade.
>which is an important part of being considered a great artists over time, which is what I claimed she wasn't.
over time? she still makes music. why do you talk about things in the future you can't even predict accurately?
>If you think she's good and like her music, that's whatever, you're free to do what you want, but I don't see her being remembered as anything more than the girl who had an album highly ranked in pazz and jop one year
again, just your opinion.
that uhhh whole wall of text seems like, just your opinion, man.
you're very clearly a grimesfag upset that everyone else isn't jerking off over you're waifu, you're blinded by Sup Forums discussion to think anyone cares about her music or what she's doing, or that she is doing anything special or new, she isn't and no one cares about her. get over it.
She has goods songs, but generally she is not special. Purity Ring and Crystal Castles are way better.
yup. they just dont have the same diy charm. ironically, grimes isn't going to win over as many hearts now that shes signed to a major label.
>Look I'm a fan of Grimes but none of these innovations are really all that innovative.
seriously?
>Sure she's the first to do it (combine classical with modern stakes) with this style of pop but Sister Rosetta and Link Wray did the same thing with early rock, So did the first wave post-rock bands, Biggie and Kendrick did it with Hip Hop, King Crimson turned jazz and blues into progressive rock, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple etc. turned the same thing into Metal. Is she the first to do it to synth pop? Sure. But shes using a technique to do it that's old as music itself.
so what if she used the same technique? it's still innovation. we're talking about innovation, not revolution.
>innovation = the introduction of something new
this is exactly what she did. she introduced her own brand of synthpop with influences from industrial, dreampop, alt rock, jpop, idm. during that process, she created her own genre. nobody else did the same kind of music with her range and weirdness. nobody even dared to make songs like scream and dream fortress in the same discography.
>she isn't seen as influential in any mainstream or underground musical scene, no one is making music based on their love of grimes,
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>I don't see her being remembered as anything more than the girl who had an album highly ranked in pazz and jop one year
>again, just your opinion.
that point was very clearly prefaced as an opinion. I'm glad you could just write off everything I said as an opinion (which it obviously was) instead of actually offering a defense of what you were saying (which is also just an opinion)
>Purity Ring and Crystal Castles are way better.
wrong. cc & pr are too one note to be on the same level as grimes. one trick ponies.
wrong too. she's signed to 4d, which is an indie label. you're confusing her mgmt (roc nation) with her label (4ad).
>she isn't and no one cares about her.
Different user. See Pick a better bait topic next time
why is she copying somyi's hair?
>now that shes signed to a major label.
Grimes isn't signed to a major label, user. In fact, she's signed to the same label as Purity Ring.
wow whatever would the world do without her
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You are objectively wrong.
>In fact, she's signed to the same label as Purity Ring.
sick burn. how could he even recover?
>one cherypicked literally who with a single article written about her 3 years ago validates the entirety of grimes career as influential and innovative
you people really are delusional
not that user, but many artists are fans of her music: reddit.com
also gorillaz put her song realiti in a special playlist. the avalanches said they were inspired by her diy work ethic. if they like her music they're certainly influenced by it more or less.
this is what joanna newsom said about our grimes:
>I loved the latest Bjork album, I'm excited about the idea of Grimes. I haven't wrapped my head around the record. I find her so compelling and so unlike anybody else and so incredibly talented, skilled, and fun. I love her. I met her in LA a few months ago, she told me something along the lines of, "I grew up listening to your music". I will say, it made me feel really old for about five minutes, then it made me feel really happy. I was like well, I guess I'm old now, but that's okay because this awesome and amazing young musician likes my music and said that it was special to her when she was younger, so that's great.
>I started to think of it as waveforms. The violin is not an uglier sound than the flute, it’s just a jagged waveform instead of a smooth waveform. There are certain things that, musically, I prefer over others: I like music that is in tune, I prefer when singers are in tune, I prefer when I’m in tune. In terms of people today, as I said, I’m a little out of the loop, but I have noticed I’m really excited by the way that Grimes frames herself, and seems utterly disinterested in her own beauty, which is really exciting to me. Sometimes it’s useful for an idea, and then other times it’s not useful for an idea, and she seems unaffected either way. I like her music as well, and I like what she says.
>I’m super excited that Grimes is getting so much attention for her amazing production too because she’s super, super talented. And she does everything! She produces completely on her own.
What I said from the beginning was that she isn't doing anything that hasn't been done before, and that the music she's making isn't the inspiration for anything which has come since. I never said people weren't listening to her (or that they couldn't like her), and that article says nothing of her music, there is a single mention of her diy production style, which the avalanche were already doing when she was 12 years old
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Grimes. The music is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the melodies will go over a typical listener's head. There's also Claire's poptimistic outlook, which is deftly woven into her characterization - her personal philosophy draws heavily from hermeneutic phenomenology literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these songs, to realize that they're not just catchy- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Grimes truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the depth in Grimes's existential song "Easily" which itself is a cryptic reference to Pushkins's Russian epic Eugene Onegin I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Boucher's genius unfolds itself on KEXP. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a Grimes "Visions" tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
fair enough, though again this seems to focus more on grimes the artists then on the influence of the music she is making. I know she's popular and people like her, never claimed that wasn't true, but no one to this point has offered a single example of something she has done that hasn't been done before
>What I said from the beginning was that she isn't doing anything that hasn't been done before,
hey buddy, what other artist did a song like circumambient?
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what other artist did a song like scream?
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what other artist did a song like shadout mapes?
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stop memeing and answer these questions. if you claim that she isn't doing anything that hasn't been done before, then did you actually listen to everything that has been done before?
>but no one to this point has offered a single example of something she has done that hasn't been done before
the burden of proof is on you. see this you claimed that, you proved that with actual examples. name similar songs to her songs.
Bjork and Kraftwerk have already been mentioned ITT, but anything from MIA to Ladytron to The Knife to the original innovators of synthpop like Depeche Mode and New Order and Pet Shop Boys have been taking synthpop/electropop to a more "artsy" place than pure radio tier pop well before Grimes did it
She aight
i thought everyone knew that fpbp was always true, how is this even an argument?
Visions is good, her EP's before that are okay, Art Angels sucked
>Hyphenating the word talentless
he was tricked by the squiggle
you either get her or you don't. She is the new aphex twin and the new grateful dead, and yes, she is very good.
>grimesfags eternally BTFO by some user listing entry level synthpop
holy shit you can't make this stuff up
>the music she's making isn't the inspiration for anything which has come since
see
cowgirlclaire.tumblr.com
Why does Grimes' music sound distinctly different from that of all the artists you mention if it is essentially just the same thing?
not to mention that all named artists also sound same, hence they are all shit.
hello
ac/dc and kiss have their own sound too, are you going to try and claim that they were anything but derivative? being slightly distinct proves that you're not a complete talentless hack, which is a far step away from being great
"ok"
yes i love her
nice rack
>Bjork and Kraftwerk have already been mentioned ITT, but anything from MIA to Ladytron to The Knife to the original innovators of synthpop like Depeche Mode and New Order and Pet Shop Boys have been taking synthpop/electropop to a more "artsy" place than pure radio tier pop well before Grimes did it
stop. all those great artists did their own thing which is different than grimes' thing. none of those artists you mentioned even had ALL the influences from grimes' music. e.g. none of them had j-pop influences to make a song like kill v. maim. none of these artists has songs like scream and skin in the same discography.
just because they operated within synthpop format it doesn't mean they did the same thing. also it doesn't mean that innovating in synthpop started and stopped with them. GRIMES IS YET ANOTHER INNOVATOR THAT HELPS PUSHING SYNTHPOP FORWARD. she's part of synthpop hall of fame.
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This is not even an argument. AC/DC just hoped on the blues-rock train and did nothing to add to it. KISS just hopped on the glam rock train and, while adding to it marginally, didn't really do a whole lot in terms of taking the genre in new directions. Half of what Grimes makes can't even be described as synthpop in any meaningful way. Geidi Primes is her first LP and is absolutely not a synthpop record. Halfaxa can be more accurately described as ambient-infused EDM, because the melodies are not strong and it's way more focused on atmosphere. Visions is the closest thing she's done to outright synthpop in her entire career, and songs like "Skin", "Visiting Statue", "Circumambient", and a couple other tracks fall well outside those typical identifiers. Art Angels is incredibly varied, and were it not for her reputation would not at all be considered part of this genre.
You're comparing an artist with an enormous range of styles to KISS and AC/DC, who did the same thing on nearly every record. More on this in a bit.
claire
doesn't she like it?
this. grimes has such a big range of styles. it's not just synthpop. also, unlike ac/dc, kiss, the rolling stones etc she avoids repeating herself.
she doesn't post here. keep the bumps when they're really necessary e.g. when the thread is about to die.
blah blah blah, lots of empty words and blinded praise for her yet again from you yorubafag
you're getting stale like old smelly milk
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This isn't a great argument either. People are innovative in different ways, and this basically amounts to "it's all been done before". Of course it has. Pretty much nobody is disputing that genre-bending or genre-defying artists have been making music for decades. This doesn't invalidate the innovations Grimes makes to genre and style, or songwriting components.
>no one is making music based on their love of grimes, which is an important part of being considered a great artists over time
There aren't really many artists who are emulating Radiohead, Animal Collective, Ween, or Bjork. But they're widely considered great, innovative, and consistent musicians who fuck with style and make it their plaything. Being inimitable to varying degrees does not preclude being great.
>I don't see her as being remembered as anything more than a flash in the pan like Arcade Fire
And this is ludicrous, regardless of how you feel about Arcade Fire. They aren't a flash in the pan band. They have a massive amount of fans, lots of respect in the industry, and don't sound like many other artists right now. They've stayed relevant - for better or worse - for well over a decade now. It's like people have just decided they're shit because . . . they make poppy rock music?
nope, you're right, there has never been another syntpop artists with j-pop influence. speaking of japan scream sounds like a bad ringo sheena song, and skin could be on literally any scandanavian pop album from the last 15 years. she is nothing special
>le genre name arguments
You're memeing while essentially getting defensive and antsy about other people memeing. You're responding to a specific argument about none of the artists mentioned having a J-pop influence by posting an artist that wasn't mentioned and molding over everything else everybody you disagreed with said in their posts. Actually make a damn argument. Actually link to songs that sound like her music instead of posting platitudes about how generic she sounds.
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>entry level synthpop
that's the best synthpop, unironically.
How does having songs from different genres make you automatically innovative?
To be honest, I'm not that big a fan of synthpop, and don't know these artists discography's well enough to offer the best match songs to the three posted earlier. I do have enough context on the genre and music in general to realize grimes isn't doing anything new. It's fairly clear that the grimesfags itt haven't listened to anything else in her genre, and as such think it's something new, read this en.wikipedia.org
>blah blah blah yorubafag
>instead of an argument, he shitposts
>the new grateful dead
How? I can understand the comparison to Aphex Twin, but Grimes and the Grateful Dead are both two completely different artists. Please explain this reasoning so I can understand better what you're trying to say.
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>It's fairly clear that the grimesfags itt haven't listened to anything else in her genre, and as such think it's something new, read this en.wikipedia.org
You literally just admitted your own ignorance while lambasting people who disagree with you for being ignorant. I'm a big fan of The Knife, and even I know that almost nothing they've done sounds like her material. They're more focused on monotonous beats, heavy synths, vocals that carry out over the entirety of a song, use of distortion/dissonance, and pretty much everything after Deep Cuts is atmospheric. They're more comparable to Boards of Canada than Grimes.
You're just making blithe comparisons, and it's hard to take your posts seriously when you're insulting people without substantiating your own claims.
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Dog, fuck off with these forced bumps. You're either a genuinely annoying Grimesfan who has nothing to say about Claire or her music, or you're antigrimes and just want to make all Grimesfans look like annoying shits. Either way, these posts are deserving of being reported for being spam and adding nothing to the convo.
>It's fairly clear that the grimesfags itt haven't listened to anything else in her genre
stop generalizing. i listened to more synthpop artists you could count. you seem triggered that people like her music and you don't. your loss.
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>You literally just admitted your own ignorance while lambasting people who disagree with you for being ignorant.
this. that user is ignorant about synthpop and yet he assumes that all grimes fans don't know about that genre. it's basic psychology: people tend to seek more of the good stuff. so, if they enjoyed her great synthpop tunes, they search for more great synthpop. it's a normal thing.
>without substantiating your own claims
what do you expect me to do beyond give a list of artists who have done the same things grimes did before she did it? I'm not saying she sounds identical to everyone of those artists, I'm saying she hasn't created anything truly new that these people hadn't done before
I said the beginning that I enjoy some of her songs, I'm just not deluded into thinking she's anything but another pop musician
thanks for keeping the thread up my dude
he wants to make people to think that her threads exist because of the endless bumping. he's not fooling anyone: the time codes don't lie.
>I said the beginning that I enjoy some of her songs, I'm just not deluded into thinking she's anything but another pop musician
ok, pal. you just don't like her music, bar a few songs. stay cynical: her fans will not change their minds because you want that. hopefully you will realize sooner rather than the latter that she's actually great.
>what do you expect me to do beyond give a list of artists who have done the same things grimes did before she did it?
But I just demonstrated how this wasn't the case.
>I'm not saying she sounds identical to everyone of those artists, I'm saying she hasn't created anything truly new that these people hadn't done before
I think she's legitimately combining elements and writing music in ways people haven't really done before. Large swaths of Geidi Primes and Art Angels are fucking weird, eclectic, and very hard to place in any one category. I think the argument you're making about a lot of her stuff being synthpop is fair, but you're essentially breaking her down as being a generic nobody in that genre without really delving into why. You need to really establish what about her is generic, or how she is just copying people instead of innovating.
>what do you expect me to do beyond give a list of artists who have done the same things grimes did before she did it?
you had a challenge here: why did you ignore it? if you claim that she's nothing special it should be easy to find similar songs to that list.
We have given you examples thousands of times and you just dismiss them and call everyone plebs. What's the point in doing that anymore when it feels like talking to a wall, yoru?
you gave the wrong examples. how about posting some legit examples, not some random synthpop tunes? listen to the songs i posted and post similar songs to them. prove it that they're ordinary and boring. your turn, bro.
btw i'm not yoru
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And I stand behind the 8 artists I listed earlier, as being similar
Now I challenge you to find me any songs which sound identical to these two:
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>But I just demonstrated how this wasn't the case.
yes with somehow less wit or clarity then I have with everyone of my argumetns
and >le genre name argument
why does she look like a 7/10 in a few pics and 3/10 in all the others?
outsider, but none of this sounds like whatever you mentioned
disregarding art angels Grimes is music is mix of burial, mazy star, portishead, broadcast, and hypnogogic pop. She also incorporates some classical music and idm but this relation is very lax.
did you see this ?
you actually posted some random examples, NOT SIMILAR SONGS.
#1 doesn't sound at all like circumambient. not even close. fail.
#2 is completely different than scream. let's face it, you picked it because of the asian singer. and it doesn't even have actual screams and repetitive guitar and beat. fail.
#3 sounds nothing like the super sad shadout mapes. fail.
dude, you didn't even listen to her songs. or you're tone deaf.
>Now I challenge you to find me any songs which sound identical to these two:
solve my challenge first. posting the first results for random genres is lazy and unispiring.
btw, it's funny that you pretended that she's just another synthpop artist but you had to search for ambient synth and whatever genre is sheena ringo just to find something not even similar. your point is weak at best.
also AC/DC borrows ton from led zeppelin, black sabbath and deep purple.
e.g. immigrant song, whole lotta love was performed in very similar fashion to AC/DC