GUN REFORM MEGA THREAD

GUN REFORM MEGA THREAD

So...

-Democrats want gun reform.

-Republicans refuse to try anything.

-Democrats do not want to ban all guns.

-Someone hell-bent on killing will find a way to obtain a gun illegally or use some other type of weapon.

-No one actually believes "gun free zones" prevent gun violence.

-Gun reform will not prevent all gun violence, but it could lessen deaths from gun violence over time, as well as cause inconveniences that could potentially buy valuable time.

-There is no one-rule solution. The gun violence issue is complex and multi-faceted, therefore it must require a combination of ideas to tackle the issue.

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thoughtco.com/us-gun-control-timeline-3963620
1812privateers.org/United States/PRINCE/usmarq.html
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

SO...

Instead of endlessly debating and never doing anything, let's TRY some of these things. If something isn't working, we can adjust as we go. If something is working, hey, we figured something out. It is important that we at least start somewhere doing something.

Drop your hatred for Trump, and drop your hatred for Hillary, I don't care what has happened in the past, who is a hypocrite, who is this or that. I don't care. This issue needs to be addressed, once and for all, regardless of political party.

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List of Ideas to Help Lessen Gun Violence Deaths Over Time
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1) Strengthen background checks, especially in regards to the mentally ill and those with a documented violent criminal propensity

2) Expand gun buy-back programs

3) Remove gun show loophole

4) Strengthen assault weapons ban to include other similar high-powered weapons like the AR-15 that are designed to kill and not to hunt, as well as the banning of accessories that transform semi-automatic guns to fully-automatic (bump stocks).

5) Raise legal age to buy guns to 21

6) Require training and mental evaluation before purchase

7) Increase awareness, e.g. see/hear something say something

8) Expand education and training

9) More metal detectors in schools, external door lockdowns, and more guards on premises

10) Reform and optimize FBI protocol

There’s no such thing as a gun show loophole. Dealers are shows still do NICS check.

>1) Strengthen background checks, especially in regards to the mentally ill and those with a documented violent criminal propensity
Ok
>2) Expand gun buy-back programs
Ok
>3) Remove gun show loophole
Isn't a thing anymore.
>4) Strengthen assault weapons ban to include other similar high-powered weapons like the AR-15 that are designed to kill and not to hunt, as well as the banning of accessories that transform semi-automatic guns to fully-automatic (bump stocks).
Fuck you.
>5) Raise legal age to buy guns to 21
Fuck that.
>6) Require training and mental evaluation before purchase
Ok
>7) Increase awareness, e.g. see/hear something say something
Ok
>8) Expand education and training
Ok
>9) More metal detectors in schools, external door lockdowns, and more guards on premises
Duh.
>10) Reform and optimize FBI protocol
Nope.

How about, arm the teachers,

Ok, my bad on #3. Will edit.

Why a no on 4, 5, and 10 may I ask?

finally a gun discussion thread. we haven't had one of these in a whole second. about fucking time. thanks OP.

Ehh, not a big fan. Maybe as a last or later resort. I think we could try some of these things first to see if we get some good results.

They are?

Sounds like you two got a lot in common with one another.

AR15s aren’t necessarily high powered and they’re often used to hunt game like coyotes. Just because they look scary doesn’t make them any more deadly than other modern hunting rifles.

cause 2nd amendment, and don't say ohh the government wont go tyrannical, Hitler killed 6million jews that were unarmed, soviet russia killed 12 million unarmed citizens and Mao killed 50 unarmed Chinese, due to the fact they passed/had gun laws that restricted their people from owning guns

Nothing changes until killing machines aren't a for profit business anymore. Until every whisper of "TAKIN' MUH GUNS" didn't make the weaponsmakers even more money hand over fist when crazy paranoids and uniformed morons buy as many guns as they can afford before the gubmint comes to try and take them so they'll have enough guns to fight of the gubmint when they come to take away all their guns. It's a pointless hopeless cycle of paranoia stoked by the gunmakers themselves through the NRA and other such groups, "you need enough guns to overthrow the government, just in case they need to be overthrown ;)" "what happens if someone randomly assails YOU with a gun?!? Better have even more guns!!!!" "the world is out to kill you so be sure you're ready to kill it first, blood to the blood god, hail to the void". And it ALL just profits the people making machines whose only purpose is to kill living beings as quickly and effortlessly as possible.

It doesn't stop until we prize safety over profit.

Just drop it OP. Sandy Hook made it completely obvious that Americans love their guns more than they love their children. That will never change.

4 I agree on bump stocks, they are stupid in my opinion, but there is nothing special about the AR-15 it's just a rifle, in fact it's good for hunting small game but in the default caliber (5.56) is inadequate for larger game.
5. at 18 a person is supposedly an adult, although I would agree that a person should have to have graduated high school before being allowed to buy a gun.
10. Federal alphabet agencies have proven incompetent time and time again, investigative powers and funding should be transferred to local authorities.

Sounds like yet another stem from the root of the problem (money in politics). A very bipartisan issue that both liberals and conservatives should unanimously agree on. So how do we get corporate lobbyism outlawed?

I think you missed the first bit of my post. Gun reform does not equal taking everyone's guns. Only strengthening background checks and security.

It's this type of fear of "the government is going to take my guns and put me in gas chamber" that is not helping the discussion. There is a smart way to implement tighter safety laws. It will not 100% prevent (nothing can) but we might be able to make a dent, if you can just get past teenage conspiracies that the U.S. government wants to steal your guns and enslave you.

Couldn’t it just be ‘incompetent’ due to the fact that private interests (gun manufacturers) are lobbying to defund and disband any and alloctjese regulations?

*all of these

Not really, the feds just suck at doing stuff, local authorities are far more effective both from a cost stand point and a results stand point.

>10. Federal alphabet agencies have proven incompetent time and time again

Hence the need for reform. That doesn't mean reform doesn't need to also happen at the connection point between federal and local, and local itself. Reform across the board.

muricans need to ban their 50 caliber assault rifles and semi auto tanks. wtf is wrong with you fucking murishits? its common sense.

hmm, but doesnt the politicans care more about giving illegals rights than protecting mine, so why should we trust these same politicians to make sure that they have our best interests at hand when they can't even agree to be fiscally responsible with our tax dollars. and
>It's this type of fear of "the government is going to take my guns and put me in gas chamber" that is not helping the discussion.
This was the point of the second amendment

Disband the ATF and give its resources to the FBI for background checks and other programs to take guns out of ineligible individuals’ hands.

>refuse to try anything
>literally hundreds more laws on the books for guns over the years
>gun deaths keep going up

It's almost like it's not a gun problem and something else. Hmmmmmm. What changed right around the time gun deaths started to rise.... HMMMMMMMMM.......

They don’t have anyone’s interests except for the private corporations they represent and their own self interests. Our government has been reduced to a husk of its former self. Both democrat and republicans alike are merely two sides of the same coin. Their wallets can be traced to the private interests. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a delusional idiot. If you want to see why any of them do anything that they do; follow the money.

I'm sorry, your argument is based in doomsday fantasy and conspiracy theory. It is not helpful to a meaningful debate about gun reform in this day and age.

Corporate entities should have seriously restricted campaign donation abilities and all donations are 100% transparent to the source. Big companies AND ANY ASSOCIATED POLITICAL ENTITIES are legally allowed to only give so much per election per candidate. Force candidates to either stop taking in so much fucking money or turn to the people trying to elect them to make up the difference. And every donation should have a nametag on it so any Joe Schmuck off the street can see who is giving money to a political candidate. They are public servants, we're their employer as much as anyone, they're obligated to disclose where their income comes from.

People panicked and began buying more guns. Politicians continued to do nothing since the private companies paid them not too.

Shut the fuck up russia, the """illegals""" are being killed by the guns same as the white people, the government is trying to save EVERYONE with gun law reform.

Yes. So much this. We have to get money out of politics. Until then, surely there must be ways we can lessen deaths by gun violence.

>literally hundreds more laws on the books for guns over the years
Fake news, facts or it didn't happen, fuck off NRA.

>1) Strengthen background checks, especially in regards to the mentally ill and those with a documented violent criminal propensity
Most of the guns used in shootings are illegally purchased anyways. This would literally do nothing and has already been done time and time again.
>2) Expand gun buy-back programs
Nah
>3) Remove gun show loophole
It's not a thing.
>4) Strengthen assault weapons ban to include other similar high-powered weapons like the AR-15 that are designed to kill and not to hunt, as well as the banning of accessories that transform semi-automatic guns to fully-automatic (bump stocks).
Nope, fuck off. I can change a magazine in less than a second. If I'm intent on killing kids in a school, the AR-15 means nothing. It's just a larp gun for psychos.I can do the same damage with 100 other guns. Or a single fucking ball bearing bomb.
>5) Raise legal age to buy guns to 21
Nope. I hunted (and ate the food) growing up. Fuck off.
>6) Require training and mental evaluation before purchase
Impossible to do a mental eval on that many people. Training I agree with.
>7) Increase awareness, e.g. see/hear something say something
They literally do and the FBI literally ignores it. Infact the last, roughly, 8 mass shooters all spoke with or were noted by the FBI.
>8) Expand education and training
Sure. They used to do it in school before this country was flooded with niggers and spics.
>9) More metal detectors in schools, external door lockdowns, and more guards on premises
External door lock down would just lock in people with the gunman. You will never safety your way out of a psycho doing psycho shit.
>10) Reform and optimize FBI protocol
They don't need it. They just need to act on the fucking people they interview. It's almost like they don't want to stop these people. Omar Mateen was investigated TWICE and was known to be connected to terrorist.

I am in agreement with you, and when the government puts its self interests ahead of its own peoples, the people are screwed. The government always listens to special interests groups especially when it comes to immigration reform, healthcare reform and other socialist programs, that cause the system to deficit spend

You're rebuttal in a nutshell:

School shooting happens...

Dems: "We need massive gun reform."
Repubs: "No."
Dems: "Extended background checks?"
Repubs: "No."
Dems: "Assault weapons ban?"
Repubs: "No."
Dems: "Can we at least try?"
Repubs: "No."
Dems: "Ok, well, do you have any ideas?"
Repubs: "No."

Repeat once every few days.

Are you a retard? Gun laws are DRASTICALLY different than they were in the 40/50/60's.

thoughtco.com/us-gun-control-timeline-3963620
Those are just major points, not all the little shit that's also been done over the years.

I agree with half of what you say. I don’t want ANY corporate entity to give a single fucking penny to ANY politician. The fact that we legally classified corporations as people and the money they spend counts as free speech is literally the catalyst to 80% of what’s wrong with our nation. Every other issue arising is merely a symptom of this fundamental problem. It’s whh politicians pass the laws that they do. It’s why they do fucking nothing and continue to do Fucking nothing about all these gun deaths and fail to pass any sensible regulations. Any time anyone tries to bring up these issues; the corporate mainstream media (FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc..) will scapegoat with non issues like trans rights or some other dumb shit I’m attempt to distract and digress from this very issue.

This only happens once we've found a place to admit that nobody needs a high powered rifle for hunting or self-defense, and the cry-babies stop whining about the amendment that guarantees them a black powder musket and nothing else and accept that the government doesn't need to be violently overthrown.

ok well while you believe and trust the governement has always have your best interest at hand im going to be a realist and say you want better databases and information on people so the government can say who has a gun or not, then you are willing to let the government spy on you and know what your doing, Im not saying their shouldn't be some kind of precausion to make sure this doesn't happen but to say we should ban ar15s is bullshit, we need to educate people. Clearly we have a clear morale fuckin problem in this country not a gun problem

Yeah, it's almost like sane Repubs understand that ILLEGAL GUNS USED BY PSYCHO CRIMINALS CAN'T BE REGULATED. Fucking idiot.

There are literally hundreds of millions of guns in the US. And maybe 2 a year on average are used in mass shootings. The rest are used in suicides and gang fighting (for the most part.)

Nah the government is trying to protect it self, shut up commie

so why haven't you gone out and shot Trump yet? 'Cause the parallels between his administration and the early days of Hitler's power a very close.

why risk another Hitler? nip it in the bud before it's too late. shoot him now.

So try NOTHING? Don't even try anything to see if anything works? Just perpetually live in a fucking debate about WHAT to do while DOING NOTHING and getting nowhere?

It's going to seriously piss a lot of people off of they lose their guns. Especially when the government/military will still be able to carry them. Taking away their right to bear arms means throwing out everything our nation's fathers made this country for. Goodbye democracy and hello Communism, what a bitter acquaintance this is. Then the government is free to point their guns at us with civilians having little to no ability to resist, just like what we did to the Africans and Native Americans. Then we either become slaves or die refusing to do so. I'm hoping to be dead before that happens. No plans on having a child that may have to deal with that. So hopefully I can die with no regrets and no strong earthly attachments.

So freedom of the press only applies to thing done on a printing press then?

s. Turns out that by the time the 2nd amendment was written, assault weapons already existed.

-Yep just take the belton flintlock developed during the revolutionary war that could fire 20 or so rounds in 5 seconds with one pull of the finger.

-Or the girandoni rifle, where a 22 high capacity round magazine accurately could be fired within 30 seconds created during the revolutionary war which was later used by Thomas Jefferson to famously outfit the lewis and clark expedition.

- Or even the Puckle gun early gatling gun created 60 years before the revolutionry war.

- Heck even the Pepper box revolvers some could hold over 20 rounds and were developed hundreds of years before the founding fathers.

Not only were the founding fathers aware of these weapons, they were FANS for crying out loud. Here's a letter of marque and reprisal signed by President Madison. 1812privateers.org/United States/PRINCE/usmarq.html for a privately owned ship carrying cannons that was authorized to attack enemy shipping. These were not muskets. And the founding fathers didn’t give no craps.


But nice reddit meme bro.

Maybe we could try mental health reform instead.

- produce fewer murderous nutjobs
- reduce the number of betas compensating by owning guns
- make society less violent in general

I dunno. Seems way more doable and not nearly as encrusted in political agenda bullshit from all sides.

>no serious new gun restrictions since 1998
>BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL OF HISTORY BRO
Wow, almost as though mass gun killings weren't a thing when people dueled each other with blackpowder pistols.

Hello, Russia.

I think you missed part of OPs text. Only the guns from the violent mentally ill will be taken away. Are you afraid you are violently mentally ill or something?

Guns NEED stricter laws, like Japan. Saying gun laws won’t work. Is like saying red traffic lights won’t stop everyone from running them. Sure, no shit a guy who wants to break that law will do exactly that. But making it harder to break that law is what should be the focal point.

Nothing? We pass gun laws all the fucking time asshole. Maybe, you morons need to wake up to the fact that no matter how many regulations you put on guns, it won't stop crazy people killing.

Remember that time we banned all drugs and no one ever did a drug again?

trumps red-erect is against illegals not american citizens and he hasnt done anything yet. Hitler b4 he rose to power was already talking about how the jews own all forms of media, business and other prestigious jobs in Germany. We have the same jewish problem now except for the fact that Trumps son in law is Jewish and has a long standing relationship with Netanyahu, so Im sure I am fine. Not sure about the rest of you goyhim

>The fact that we legally classified corporations as people and the money they spend counts as free speech is literally the catalyst to 80% of what’s wrong with our nation.
I agree. But the fact of the matter is, the winners are writing the rules on this now. At least if there was some transparency we'd know which corporate entities owned Washington.

>Define high powered.

Good addition. Certainly there are things that can be done in the mental health industry. Adding to the list.

Literal retard who ignored the laws passed well before the 90s.

Here read this Mr. CTR...Share Blue... Reddit.

>illegal guns
He bought his AR legally dipshit. Spoiler alert, LITERALLY ANYONE CAN BUY A GUN IN FLORIDA. IT'S AS EASY AS BUYING GROCERIES.

Replace “Jews” with wealthy corporations and I agree. Cool it with the antisemitism. They’re just greedy assholes who want socialism for themselves (ironically enough) they enjoy the government interference because they can hide behind it like armor and any time their industries go belly up from their own gross incompetence or mismanagement of tax payer money, the government bails them out. (Take the banking collapse and when the government during Obama’s administration bailed them out with OUR tax payer money) if our want anyone to take you seriously; you’ll drop the racism bullshit. You’re only hurting the cause. It’s corporations, not “Jews”.

My bad, was thinking about the other shooting.

And it's literally not as easy as buying groceries. Do you do a background check when buying groceries? Because you have to to buy an AR in Florida.

So if he couldn't buy that gun, after he was kicked out over a YEAR ago, he wouldn't have done something else? yeah fucking right.

Interesting analogy. Let's dig into it...

Do you think when cocaine was made illegal, that MORE people now use cocaine? How about LSD?

Dubs confirm

Fine, you're entitled to be both pedantic and own any of those weapons for hunting and self-defense. The founding fathers would be disgusted that you would abide turning these armaments, whatever they are, on American citizens. I think once the citizenry got to the point where they could murder more than a dozen people on a whim with these sorts of weapons, they wouldn't want just anyone to own them.

I am jewish, most of the corporations have jews at the top, Jews were they ones spreading communism, I would know because during and after the war my great-grandmother was spreading commie propaganda, most people in hollywood are also jews

>LITERALLY ANYONE CAN BUY A GUN IN FLORIDA. IT'S AS EASY AS BUYING GROCERIES.

and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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The idea is to state your opposition's argument while coming off as a racist bigot, thus associating bigotry with those you're arguing against. Sup Forums is mostly about doing this these days. Kind of makes me sad.

responding to your points in order:
>Democrats want gun reform.
Obviously

>Republicans refuse to try anything.
Not all republicans. Many are riled up by a point I'll bring up in a second.

>Democrats do not want to ban all guns.
Not all democrats. A very vocal selection call for a nation-wide gun recall or at the very least assault weapon ban, citing things like Australia's gun ban. The very vocal selection gets many gun owners in a tizzy, thinking that this is the mindset of anyone who wants to take away their guns, and so they get protective.

>Someone hell-bent on killing will find a way to obtain a gun illegally or use some other type of weapon.
Of course. If they are hell-bent on killing, they'll just become a serial killer or a one-off murderer. We're here to stop the psychopaths that aren't just hell-bent on killing, but hell-bent on causing a fuckton of damage to human life. They don't want to kill. They want to rack up points, per se. It's a small, but crucial difference.

>No one actually believes "gun free zones" prevent gun violence.
Not true. Many of the people from point 3 do, in fact, believe this. This is what makes them dangerous to any discussion on gun reform. They make the left sound ludicrous which makes the right shy from discussion.

I agree with the final two points. No need for dissection.

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Anonymous 02/17/18(Sat)02:44:33 No.760192656▶
Fine, you're entitled to be both pedantic and own any of those weapons for hunting and self-defense. The founding fathers would be disgusted that you would abide turning these armaments, whatever they are, on American citizens. I think once the citizenry got to the point where they could murder more than a dozen people on a whim with these sorts of weapons, they wouldn't want just anyone to own them.
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Anonymous 02/17/18(Sat)02:45:00 No.760192687▶
I am jewish, most of the corporations have jews at the top, Jews were they ones spreading communism, I would know because during and after the war my great-grandmother was spreading commie propaganda, most people in hollywood are also jews
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Anonymous 02/17/18(Sat)02:45:10 No.760192701▶
>LITERALLY ANYONE CAN BUY A GUN IN FLORIDA. IT'S AS EASY AS BUYING GROCERIES.

and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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Anonymous 02/17/18(Sat)02:45:29 No.760192723▶
The idea is to state your opposition's argument while coming off as a racist bigot, thus associating bigotry with those you're arguing against. Sup Forums is mostly about doing this these days. Kind of makes me sad.

You're right. Education is ONE part of it. Like I said, this is a fucking complex multi-faceted issue, and there is no one-rule solution.

Guns aren't the problem. ACCESS to guns is. Why do you think Bazookas are outlawed? And how many bazookas do you see on the street, or being used in mass shootings?

How come school shoots only recently have been common? Why was it 20+ years ago, still lots of guns, even schools with classes for shooting guns, but school shootings were just not a regular thing.

Could it be it's because the killers become instantly famous every time a school shooting happens? 24/7 News Coverage and Updates about the event, all while plastering pictures and lifestory details about the murderer on TV.

Hmm...

quick, restart the trollbot. seems to be having quoting problems again. shouldn't have written it in visual basic.

Actually yes. Cigarettes are legal and less people (% wise) use them than they did 40 years ago. Just because something is legal doesn't mean everyone will use it. Weed is legal in many places, 100% of people didn't start smoking. I bet there was a minimal increase. Those who wanted to smoke weed weren't waiting for it to go legal before they tried it.

Like anything that's been illegal, you'll see a bump at first, but it will average out. Anyways, this has nothing to do with anything. Because we're not advocating making killing legal. People who are going to kill children don't give a fuck about your laws. Remember the Boston Marathon bombing? A pressure cooker and ball bearings. Wanna ban those now too?

No. I'm a convicted felon who can't own a gun anyway. I just don't want our freedom to be taken away. The solution is to teach people responsibility, respect, and good mannerism. Repair the human state into something that won't willingly go off on a killing rampage. You shouldn't cut off a man's hands because he doesn't know how to use them properly. Teach them better. Help the human race rise up and evolve, not put them down and devolve them into Savage monkies. No one wants to lose everything they have been working for to make them happy. We don't want to be ignorant monkies rattling around in a cage being subjected to entities clearly in possession of knowledge and ability they are selfishly keeping to themselves and even using against us. What happened to "all men are created equal"? Since when did that twist into government and military trying to rule over us like we are dumb pet dogs to them?

Yeah. Given the way you write, I've gotta agree with user - you really do sound pretty Russian dude.

Then what should we do?

LOL no they wouldn't retard. They ADVOCATED for using guns and violence to protect yourself from tyranny.

You idiots have a weird understanding of the founding fathers. Most of them killed many men in battle and for their freedom from the crown.

Much more people are harmed by preventable malnutrition in the USA. Like, sooooo maaannny mooooore.

And just about any fatal statistic worth mentioning outweighs gun violence.

I believe we have more pressing concerns.

Virtually everyone has no excuse for not being able to defend themselves and families in the short term.

Why the fuck is the world of humans so easily fixable and completely fucked up.

It is partially cognitive dissonance on a wide scale.

Yes it is a problem with the human condition. Education is important.

Sounds like we need some REFORM in Florida, eh? They missed the mental illness, troubled youth, developmental issues, and propensity for killing animals. Need reform there too!

I'm sorry, do you think that better ways to save lives and better ways to end lives are somehow equivalent? Are you saying you'd be willing to go back to muskets if you didn't have access to antibiotics or internal imaging?

That

>Most of them killed many men in battle
How deep you trolling, nigger?

Your bot's broken CTR/Share Blue.

I'm sorry, I hate this argument. I keep seeing "You want to ban hammers? You want to ban cars? lol!"

THIS IS ABOUT GUNS.

1) we already have pretty strong rules about mental illness, and thought crime type shit is the only place I can see "violent personality" going.

2) gun buy backs have no proven effectiveness and are generally useless anyway

3) there is no gunshow loophole. It's literally private sales.

4) No. Eat dicks. This solves nothing and just pisses people off.

5) Eat more dicks. See previous.

6) For fucks sake stop it.

7) buzzwords

8) more buzzwords

9) stuff we already have in shitty schools, what we need is proper, secure locking doors. More guards might help but who knows. And that's a shit ton of money.

10) still buzzwords.


>1934 NFA regulates SBRs, MGs, SBS, and all the dangerous stuff
>crooks just keep using pistols
>1968 GCA requires background checks, bans "scary" guns from import, says no mail order boolit
>crooks keep using handguns
>1986 FOPA bans new MG purchases even though 2 whole murders have been committed with legally owned machineguns, and there have actually been more justifiable homicides and acts of self defense than murders
>crooks keep using cheap handguns
>1994 AWB bans all scary guns for 10 years
>crooks keep fucking using cheap fucking handguns
>AWB revoked and economy gets better so crime goes down
>BAN THE ASSAULT RIFLES STOP THE KILLING THIS IS A PROBLEM NOW AND WE NEED MORE LAWS TO FIX IT

I swear to Christ we are incapable of critical thinking as a nation and for that reason alone we are fucked

Again; stems from the issue of money in politics. Even if you somehow manage to miraculously pass legislation, the gun manufacturers will just use their bribed shill politicians to quietly repeal it a few years later. You gotta cut the corruption out by its root. ‘Money in politics’. First pass stage legislatjon illegalizing private donors THEN pass the bill to regulate so the asshole corporations can’t undo the law.

*state legislation

>illegalizing private donors

opinion discarded

tfw it's hard to distinguish between American felon English and native Russian hacker broken English.

............Do you know who the founding fathers were........ I don't mean literally strangled people with their bare hands, but they were officers and controlled militias and troops. Adams was a fucking smuggler, he for sure killed people.

Enjoy your ongoing corruption

Its fucking rediculous how thick headed you ameridumbs are, your country shouldn't even qualify as 1st world anymore.

No one can't get rid of guns in America to a satisfactory level for the intended effect [end of gun threats/violence]. They true amount of guns right now is MUCH more than any official number, plus Americana are generally able to make zipguns.
>3d printing and CNC milling at home nigger

You will just have armed thugs, VERY ARMED and more present Police, and totally defenseless normal people.

Maybe you believe in a fantasy, I'd like to hear your reasoning all the same.

Nah. It doesn't have to be an issue contest. Several issues can exist at the same time, and all can be important to work on at the same time.

No, it's about DEATH.

The point is to stop senseless killings. Removing guns WILL NOT DO THAT. Source: literally the hundreds of other attacks around the world that killed many and didn't use guns.

The argument is that removing guns will save dahhhh children. It won't. Instead of just ticking the gun box you'll check the bomb box.

So is it about saving lives, or just taking people guns? If it's about lives, ADDRESS THE REASON FOR KILLING. There are already laws in place for guns. Removing them doesn't remove the death.

The most vetted of them I can really remember offhand, and high, is Washington. And he was pretty terrible most of the time.
I wouldn't be surprised if he really killed people.

Are you talking about the 2nd prez? Are you fucking serious.

Gotosleep

So what are your brilliant ideas to curtail gun violence in America?

I don't but my point was that you made up a fucking word. That, and gun corporations aren't the majority of the reason you don't see new gun control laws. It's because gun owners actually fucking vote and ream the fuck out of people who flip flop on that particular issue.

look up the definition of first world and then go be retarded somewhere where adults aren't talking

this pretty much.

These people are seriously disturbed and on the fringes of society. The reasons they are pushed there, perhaps more and more often, does not have anything to do with guns. This is a mental health crisis of the highest order. That's why murder is down and suicide is up like crazy.

So you're saying we should cast aside everything humanity lerned over the last 200-300 years, and stay that way? I know conservatives like everything to stay the same forever, but damn, might aswell start burning wiches again.

BAN CRAZY PEOPLE!!!