How did Japanese studios produce so many classic/acclaimed films on shoestring budgets in the two decades after WWII...

How did Japanese studios produce so many classic/acclaimed films on shoestring budgets in the two decades after WWII? From the late-40's to the mid-60s, Japan produced an incredible amount pure kino.

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nukes cause the good kind of autism

It's like in rocky 3 when he got the shit beat out of him, but instead of rematch in they made movies

Adversity and struggle breed the greatest art

I can't fucking understand how Japanese filmmaking could go from,complete kino to complete trash in such a short time.

The three good japanese directors got too old to work

The Japanese truly grasp how to write a compelling story with likable characters.
Unironically two of my favorite three films this year were Japanese.

I'm guessing one was ShinG, what's the other?

"Your name."
Might not count as Sup Forums since it's Animated but it's kino as fuck.

>kino as fuck
Not triggered by anime but I've never seen any of that guys stuff before either. The uninspired label of 'next Miyazaki' doesn't do much for me. Is this just generically pretty feelgood stuff or is their some genuine inspiration going into this crap?

Genuine inspiration, took some interesting turns, had a great ending.

The best part is it starts out like your average anime body swap fetish shit to throw you off but then the bigger purpose is revealed and it goes deeper.

Someday I'll get around to this then. Not anytime soon but eventually.

You could think of it as shoestring budgets but you could also think of it as Hollywood having inflated budgets and making everyone else's seem shoestring by comparison.

There's way more to Japanese cinema than just Kurosawa, Ozu and whoever you consider the third one to be.

People have been saying Japanese cinema has gone in a slump in this century, and the influence of production committees and television has been named as the culprit.

You should only take "the next Miyazaki" as meaning that he can pull huge audiences. Although it remains to be seen if he can keep doing it repeatedly.

The latest on Your Name's box office results:
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IDK, just stopped in becauses Harakiri is my favorite movie. Also, not to derail your point, but Ran came out in 1985 and is considered to be one of Kurosawa's greatest movies.

Maybe this? I feel like outside of a few great actors and directors from that time, I really dont know what else was going on in Japanese cinema between 1940 and 1960.

Oh Makoto Shinkai has had some good stuff under his belt, I've had Garden of Words on my watchlist for a while. Seems to have shit that's more adult oriented story wise, though.

Hope you enjoy, the Blu Ray isn't even out in Japan but I caught an Sup Forums stream.

any of you niggers seen this

The post-war era was when Japan was most culturally diverse. People had just come back from China, the Philipines etc. and the whole country was rapidly westernizing.
Once that generation faded out of the industry their movies went to shit.

As I said earlier, people in the know seem to think the industry went into a slump this century because of production committees and television.

I don't see what Pretty Cure has to do with this.

Consumerism and commercialism. The same thing happened with many countries. Look at East Europe.

Japan didn't stop making good films after the mid-60's, but the explosion of all-time classics during the 50's was tough to match.

They were in various genres, too - a mix of historical dramas, contemporary pieces, sci-fi, war, etc.

This decade is pretty bad for Japanese cinema, though.

>tfw when the best Japanese film of 2010s was made by an Iranian

>and was one of his worst

When the Last Sword is Drawn is underrated kino
I cried for the entire final act like a big fucking bitch.

I was just thinking about posting the same thing about Drunken Angel. I'm not much for being emotional, but I teared up a bit at the end when the doctor found out the gangster died then I full blown choked back tears when the girl comes and tells the doctor she's not sick anymore. The movies like 80 years old but I used spoiler tags anyway, because everyone should see Drunken Angel.

terayama's generally good af

good taste nigga

For me from when Kanichiro gets to his Nanbu han residence and on ward the tears didn't stop flowing, they only increase significantly at the rice ball scene and the scenes with his son

Not going to read your spoilers, but I am going to watch the movie. A friend of mine knows I have a bit of an obsession with Samurai movies, and shes been trying to get me to bring some over. Should I watch it with friends, or should I just bring over Yojimbo (my go to movie when people say "oooh, I want to get into Samurai movies") and watch it for the 20th time, and watch in by myself after work tomorrow?

What am I in for?

Here's the thing, Yojimbo is definitely easier to get into for people used to Western films, but When the Last Sword is Drawn was one of the first samurai films I watched before the Criterion kino stuff, and I had no problem with it, although I could see most people getting bored/confused.

I'd say Yojimbo with friend and WLSD by yourself. Honestly I could see friends asking questions a lot during it even if they were paying attention.

Please give me some weird Japanese noir recs

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No unions, working around the clock

You could watch Woman in the Dunes and Face of Another back-to-back. They're by the same director. They aren't sequels, but they each deal with similar themes of alienation/isolation in a very moody black-and-white fashion.

Already seen face of another and Woman in the dunes criterion is in the mail

Thanks though

Round About Midnight. Maiku Hama ("Mike Hammer").

Thanks. Glad to see a good thread on Sup Forums as well, I stopped coming here every day because of all the bullshit, and summer. Glad to see some real conversation about real cinema.

So is Seven Samurai and Harakiri the best samurai movies ever made?

Wildcard pick: 'Sword of Doom'

I'll have to check it out. Also, thanks OP for reminding me to buy that poster for my house.

Sword of Doom really is a wildcard of a thing, but I think it's also probably the most interesting samurai story in film. You might not like it but it'll surely stick with you.

Sword of doom is one of the only films i have seen where i had literally no idea what i thought of it after i had seen it, it sticks with you though. Should probably rewatch it soon

Kitano and Tsukamoto are singlehandedly propping up aunthentic cinema in Japan. Koreeda is cancer

Movies in general are of better quality in that time period of any country because one didnt know if you will ever get another chance to do another one considering the huge cost so everyone who got to a point of making one they did their best.

So glad someone else felt that way. Everyone kept telling me Sword of Doom was the best Samurai movie ever, but I didn't understand what was going on for whole chunks of it. Was the main character supposed to be a good guy? Doesn't he straight up rape a woman and kill someone in cold blood? It definately stuck with me, the ending was brutal, but I remember being really confused as to how I was supposed to feel about what was happening.

Tried to start Seven Samurai so many times, but friends drop by unexpected, or something comes up and I never get past the first few minutes, but I can tell you Harakiri is my CURRENT favorite Samurai movie. Ill let the whole board know how I feel once I get some free time later this week to watch it (because Sup Forums gives a fuck how I feel about a 60 year old movie). It's actually been bothering me a lot lately that I still haven't seen it.

Tokyo fist is one of the greatest films EVER made

1st one is great adventure film
2nd and 3rd are ok samurai films

Same with Italian cinema.

My theory is they simply had better discipline and cared about making good stuff, because they didn't live in cuck societies like today's. The level of education re: arts has dropped dramatically.

The old studio system was a well-oiled machine. They had infrastructures, that allowed them to mass produce a lot of stuff, craftsmen that didn't think in terms of "talent" but "hard work". The best Japanese 40-60's cinematographers are still unrivaled today, those wide scope chambaras are so well lit, framed, so crisp looking and always had clever ideas. 80's chambaras look like washed out TV trash.

When indie (new wave) and TV took over, and as the world became more globalized/Americanized, studio systems fell, except for Hollywood (this is true to all the shining WW2-era film industries: Jap, Italy, France... all shadows of former selves)

I also find there's usually a specific "grit" and soul to movies made by people who grew up during really difficult times, like the war, who could have faced death. They're angrier and wiser, more meaningful and accomplished. You have a lot of that until the 70's, and it disappears by the 80's. Think of people like Peckinpah, they wouldn't be making movies today. When I see a modern war film, western or chambara (compare op related to Miike remake, or Kobayashi's sensibilities to Miike sensibilities in general), nothing ever feels genuine, rough, but it often feels fake, immature, vulgar.

To go back to Italian cinema, one of the reasons why they were also so "disciplined", the whole Cinecitta industry was founded by Mussolini. I don't think it's a coincidence that the two best film industries (Jap 40-70's and Ita 40-70's), the peaks of cinema, directly come from the Axis, when even if filmmakers often criticized the power systems in place and their countries history, they were still directly influenced by them in their work approach.

>You have a lot of that until the 70's, and it disappears by the 80's.
From wikipedia on Heaven's Gate from 1980
>Cimino had an expensive and ambitious vision for the film, pushing it nearly four times over its planned budget. Its resulting financial problems and United Artists' consequent demise led to a move away from the brief 1970s period of director-driven film production in the American film industry, back towards greater studio control of films, as had been predominant in Hollywood until the late 1960s

>Heaven's Gate
Not the Italian-poster, pretty sure I just speculated on this yesterday or the day before being the reason that movies went to shit in the 80s. After Heaven's Gate big movies weren't allowed to be art anymore.

> "Your name."
> Box office: 158.1 million USD
nani?

Kon died.

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT! I want a region 2 blu-ray release of this 10/10 kinofilm and this one is already out of print and Eureka! lost the rights to Mizoguchi's films.

welp I just bought the criterion collection version yesterday

it cost me 40€

The great Italian directors were almost all communists.

Don't worry, Hans. The movies are pure samurai kino. You will not regret spending 40 Mohammad Mark on it.

Satoshi or Ichikawa?

>The last shot of his last film was basically a goodbye to the audience
>Barely anybody watched it

>the whole Cinecitta industry was founded by Mussolini
>even if filmmakers often criticized the power systems in place and their countries history, they were still directly influenced by them in their work approach.

Chinks work for cheap

>ctrl+f zatoichi
>Phrase not found
pretentious faggots, a good Zatoichi installment is better than 95% of anything else Japan produced.
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Movie is a modern industry. It needs modern workers.

Japan has completed its modernization before the war so they began to make good movies right after the war

Korea on the other hand didn't . So they can only begin after 90s.

Fellini was a Christian Democrat
Rossellini was boycotted by the Left
Antonioni made a film about China that was denounced by the government as anti-communist

Don't know what you're on about

oh I was here to talk about Japanese film but I see Sup Forums has infected another thread, I'm out.

>Was the main character supposed to be a good guy?

How retarded are you?

I understand not getting the end of the movie, because it was allegedly supposed to have sequels, but how can you not tell that the protagonist is an evil monster?

How would you rate the Zatoichi TV series? I've seen the films but feel like I could use more comfy "blind bugger kills everyone" stuff.

Anime

Holy shit kek

I'd say they are of equal quality to the films aside from there being less blood spray because it was for TV.

Maybe 13 Assassins?
Most of my non-film interested friends don't like watching anything that's too old
I know it's action heavy but maybe it'll help to ease-in

Talented people just happened to be there.

Thanks, Satan.

The influence of United States of America.

That's it. The cancer tumor of the modern world.

oh boohoo someone mentioned the politics and religion of directors and you got your baby ass hurt

fucking how wo do you think you can survive in the actual world if you are that soft

As they made more money and got bigger budgets the studios wouldn't take the risks anymore which they would take with small budgets where they had less to lose and more to win. Same that happens to all film industries as they grow, they need to make more money and for that they have to pander more.

quick i need some real japkino to watch, first reply it is

The Story of the Last Chrysanthemums

Have you ever actually been to Sup Forums? This thread is nothing. I checked on for election news and now I'm trying to convince half-a-dozen different posters that Africans aren't animals that walk on 2 legs and can learn to talk.

>not having a region A blu-ray player to get all dem sweet, sweet criterion releases
pleb desu senpai

>implying africans aren't animals walking on two legs
dohoho

I blame anime

Criterion are releasing some BD for england now, so people in Europe can buy them, I bought Overlord.

ORLY? That's new. Oh well, got my region A already so it's no use to me.

Unironically nukes.

Extreme hardship makes people pull their heads out of their asses. Japs worked hard after WWII because they fucking had to.

That hard work also resulted in kino.

Nonsense. There are many good Japanese movies from 1930s.

And life wasn't very easy back in the 30's either.

The more comfortable a society becomes, the more vapid and lazy their entertainment will be.

Look into non-Zatoichi films directed by Kenji Misumi

The Human Condition. It's a three part movie that starts off very slow initially, but it really begins to pick up halfway through the first movie. After that, it is god tier. Nine hours of a man struggling to do good, to survive, to see his love.

I've never cried during a movie, but the ending of this series made me shed a tear.

Shin Godzilla