We need our guns to defend against a fascist takeover guys

>We need our guns to defend against a fascist takeover guys
You do know if the fascists take over they're just going to drone strike you, right? Stop believing in fairy tales. People are dying in reality because you're afraid of a fantasy.

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look its this tired old argument

drones can't stand on street corners and protect taken territory you stupid motherfucker

>how can it be tired if it's valid

>being this newtarded
You've...never been in the Army have you?

That top missle was fired by me from the ground. Kek.

But if you have guns you can simply shoot the missiles down.

Checkmate atheists.

Guns:
>Dictators slain: 0
>Innocent lives: 10k+ a year

I thought it was lizard people with you freaks, now it's some fascist takeover from clownland or something?

Explain yourself idiot since you made the assertion.

I completely understand your possition OP. You die first.

Fuck you, you'll take my guns over my cold dead hands

Everytime you freaks get shot down your lord and master alex jones picks something else out of his rotating hat.

Can't you realize that you and him are 100% full of shit?

>You do know if the fascists take over they're just going to drone strike you, right?

Thats not If our military and LEO's do the right thing and turn against the coup. I'm pretty sure If "fashits" were to take over the U.S. govt you'd see soldiers, pilots, and Marines turn, as to what would happen after that I truly don't know. I can only assume at that point that there would be splinter factions/remnants of the original U.S. Government/Military.

I stopped listening to Alex Jones now hes just a meme

What coup precisely is that, a chicken coup?

You're gonna need alot of money and time to get something that will be able to shoot down drones...legally..

I am entirely convinced this is an op.
way too frequent, way too obvious.
I guess work is work.

not drones read the post, simply shoot the missiles

coup, coup d'états : a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

What is the object that delivers the payload??

Depends on the kind of drone, the fucking annoying ones that people use to peer into windows and annoy people on beaches are easily taken out with a good baseball throw. The military ones are a different story.

No, user, we need guns to perform a fascist takeover.

Then you should have written coup d'états, because coup could also be a chicken coup which you conveniently forgot to add to your list of definitions.

Either way in that case it would cost the hypothetical "enemy" alot more resources If you took one of their assets out of commission, now they have to redirect other assets from another area to fill in, now they have to spend more money replacing that piece of hardware.

Sure. The jarheads who shoot civilians for money is gonna turn on the ones paying them, because of politics that jarheads don't compute.
Yup.

And even if they do, the fuck are they gonna accomplish? You can't steal a jet or a ship or a tank. Everything is remote operated and will get blue screened by some limp dicked CS major.
At least you got muh glock 'n muh ar15 for when the government glasses your land with drones.

Vietnam

It depends. There are multiple ways of delivering a payload and the definition of payload can vary as well. Don't be stupid.

Also the Nazi campaign into the USSR

Locals know.

Plus it's the same pro-gun retards that'll be first to sign up FOR the government army that ends up turning in their fellow citizens.

user you should be smart enough to know what I'm implying when I say "coup", do I need to start spoon feeding??

Hence why I said you're gonna need alot of time and money, Time to get privy on how your air defense system is going to work be it a legally owned mini-gun, a quad of .50 cals, or some jerry rigged thing. Money for the tax stamps and legal BS you're gonna have to go through.

I understand, appreciate, and fully support your goals. You just want a safer world for yourself and your children. I, too, want a safer world for myself and my children.

The unfortunate truth is that no one knows how to do that. There's strong arguments on both sides. Maybe if you take away guns, criminals will still have them so we're no safer. Maybe if you give people more guns, more people will become criminals. Maybe waiting on the cops to save us is a bad idea because there just aren't enough cops and they can't be everywhere at once. Maybe depending on the cops is the ONLY solution because you have to be trained to spot and know how to respond to a threat.

Whatever the solution, I do know that there's one belief I hold to be true, regardless of the situation or context. If you want something done right, do it yourself. If I want to make sure my bills get paid, I don't expect someone else to pay them and hope for the best. If I want my car cleaned, I don't expect someone else to clean it and hope for the best. If I want to be fed, I don't expect someone else to feed me and hope for the best. In this world if you want to be 100% certain that something will be done, you have to do it yourself. Otherwise you can't always trust others.

So when it comes to my OWN, personal safety, I want to put that in my own hands. I don't hope the fire department will keep me safe, I take measures to prevent fires and keep a fire extinguisher in my house. I don't hope the EMTs will keep me safe, I keep a first aid kit in my house and I learned basic medical skills for responding to crisis. And I don't hope the police will keep me safe. I keep a gun in my house and I go to the gun range regularly to practice with it so that if someone breaks into my house with intent to harm me, I can protect myself.

I support guns because I believe every person has the right to protect themselves.

I've spoken to some Russian friends about that, they had to go into some sick shit but they beat back those nazi scum in the end.

You should start using proper English and don't make assumptions.

Hahaha yeah, and your military and/or have worked for aerospace companies?

Consider what you're saying school boi.

I mean, imagine that world tho
You gotta be talking a super authoritarian regime with no regard for life. What exactly will they be left to Lord themselves over?
I have such a hard time imagining it would be anything worth the effort. The US is huge. This isn't an overnight project that'll be out of people's minds next year. This will define a generation that'll probably be upset with the overlords who took their neighbors and friends lives. You gotta be talking about enslaving an entire nation of what's left of 320 million to get any production out of them.

You cant assume Marines are cold, unthinking machines. A lot of soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines out there that are aware of the political BS you dont think theyd be smart enough to start making their own decisions?? You also neglect the chain of command and leadership turning too.

Man you're pretty stupid if you think a company or division of marines cant function independently without the DOD, POTUS or Sec Def guiding them. There are engineers and technicians that can fix that problem user, lets also not forget the people in the cyber security sector as well.

You make it seem like we cant think for ourselves

>The unfortunate truth is that no one knows how to do that.
Stop right there Ameribro.
This might surprise you, but there are other countries than the U.S.
YES REALLY!
And these other countries don't have guns spread willy nilly. I know it sounds crazy. But when you don't give everyone guns, nobody gets shot. Go figure.
So, like 90% of the world actually has this one figured out. This actually isn't a global problem, even though it might feel like it from your living room.

You know how enemy soldiers stand on street corners in the middle east?

And then they get hit by a drone missle lmao

With this said, careful analysis of the data has actually shown very little correlation between gun ownership, gun rights, and safety. There are a lot of factors that go into safety, including but not limited to:

>Poverty rate
>Ethnic diversity
>Segregation
>Education level
>Income disparity
>Public health
>Prison population
>etc

If anything the data doesn't show that increasing the amount of guns in an area leads to more crime, but rather than more crime leads to an increased amount of guns in an area. This makes sense for two reasons: First, criminals will acquire guns to accomplish their goals. Second, non-criminals will acquire guns in self defense since all of the criminals have them.

In a multivariate analysis performed a couple of years ago looking at violent crime rates in all major US cities the single biggest variable in violent crime was the proportion of the population that belonged to a minority group (not necessarily "black" proportion, but "minority" proportion. If a city is 80% black then blacks aren't the minority there), followed immediately and closely by median income. The less money people make, the less able they are to take care of themselves and the more likely they are to turn to a life of crime to make ends meet.

So if you really want to stay safe the answer isn't to own or take away guns. It's to move to a rich city like Seattle or Austin.

Wow you're telling me not to make assumptions while you do the exact same??

Not military, I have never worked in areospace/defense, I never claim to be something that I'm not.

>Consider what you're saying school boi.
Like what user??

Are you even an American or some foreigner with axe to grind and an agenda to push against the USA?

Are you gonna be the first marine to step out of the ranks and tell your SO to go fuck himself because you disagree with some pampered asshole in congress? No. Because soldiers aren't heroes. They are employees.
Soldiers are pretty much prostitutes if you think about it. They get paid to do something a trained monkey could do. Something that requires absolutely zero skill, talent, intelligence or personal achievement to do. And even if a squad or whatever goes AWOL they will accomplish nothing because they will be met by the million squads who follow their training and form ranks.

You are aware that school shootings account for well under 1% of gun deaths right? As do AR15s. Name one gun law that will stop the next shooting. I'll wait.

It isn't.

Dude I'm a pure blooded U.S. Citizen regardless of my genetics, I was born and raised here.

You're really starting to come off as that Neo-nazi guy from falling Down

Can't believe this hasn't been posted yet, you are fucking retarded OP and everyone else in the thread.

Imagine being this full of shit

how many drones do you think there are retard?

Other than this one sentence calling you out, I'll try to ignore your demeaning tone and blatant disregard for logic and instead find common ground and debunk your misinformation.

There are plenty of other countries, and it's always good to look at all the data you can before making a decision (otherwise it's not "informed"). Perhaps there are countries that have solved this "gun problem" already.

However when you look into it, the countries with the HIGHEST rates of gun violence are those with the largest income disparity. In many of these countries the only people who own guns are the militia, and they use them to assault the populace.

>Honduras
>Venezuela
>El Salvador
>Guatemala
>Colombia
>Jamaica

Every single genocide or TRUE mass killing in history (not "mass" as in "17 kids were shot" and not "mass" as in "50 people mowed down in a mall", I mean "mass" as in hundreds of thousands murdered systematically) happened in a country where the citizens were not allowed to own guns.

It has nothing to do with the number of guns and everything to do with poverty.

In fact, if you divide the number of gun-related deaths (which includes accidental deaths and suicides) by the number of gun owners in each country, the United States is INCREDIBLY low in the list -- below Denmark, Belgium, Italy, Finland, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Ireland, etc. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

i got dubs so mine is more important

If everyone had guns no one would be tempted to shoot anything up since everyone had FUCKING GUNS. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Then what is the point of them taking that Oath of enlistment or Commission?? They'd be pretty spineless and retarded. I may not be a marine or military but I'f I was I would damn well oppose any attempt to overthrow the current establishment and If it was for nothing and I die then at-least I stood for something instead of yielding.

>You should start using proper English
>and your military and/or have worked for
Sometimes I forget that half the population is dumber than the average person.
You're in the wrong 50% my friend.

The nations with the highest rates of violence are the ones with the most niggers. That's a fact that you can try to deny but can't in real terms and fact, and wiki isn't an information source.

I'm not your friend and I'm not wrong.

Man you are really dumb

Stay mad.

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Brilliant deduction.

Mind educating me, then?

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Kinda goes back to what I said. Lets say If some anti-gun legislation got passed (It wouldn't) you would have alot of infighting within the government as the lines are drawn.

How many drones are there in service, retard? 50? How many guns are there in America, 350,000,000? Good luck getting any of them off the airfield when it gets overrun by militiamen and masses of army defectors.

Overt communism or fascism is not a political reality for the foreseeable future in this country, even if they somehow manage to get control of the Chair Force.

"I need a gun to protect me"

We're not here to educate you on /b, how about not being a nigger and do some research for yourself.

Muh rights
To muh gunzzzz

>yeah let's level a city block because some dude has a gun

Good job dipshit, one $850,000 hellfire missle for one 850 dollar rifle.

Only 20 million more to go

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Thunderstruck - A-10
youtube.com/watch?v=Wd_FJEKRMpg

That's even If the would be over-throwers of the current establishment would be able to indoctrinate our airmen and pilots before they realized fully whats up, our servicemen/women don't take that Oath of Enlistment for nothing.

To be honest I think we as citizens shouldn't be worried because its likely the military, Law Enforcement agencies and government will handle any kind of Coup de etat that happens, It would take alot and I mean alot before us citizens would need to start getting involved.

I'd love to research for myself, but unfortunately when I did that and linked to my research I was met with a dismissal of my post and called an idiot with no actionable directive.

So unless you tell me HOW I'm an idiot, I'll remain in blissful ignorance and continue to remind people that the United States has fewer deaths per gun than every country named in this twitter post except for Canada: Perhaps we should research Canada's gun laws?

Canada allows any citizen to own a gun so long as:

>They get a license
>The gun is registered

Have you considered that your research abilities suck and that you're a faggot?

>Oh look, it's this bait again.
Okay, I'll bite. Let's see what google and a calculator can turn up.
>most of the armed services are conservative and support President Trump.
>323 million population. ~1/3 gun owners. 107 million gun owners. Total number of troops in all US armed forced: 1,429,995.
>'dey gots tanks an planes an drones an nukes an shit nigga'
All that shit doesn't seem to do much good against insurgent warfare--which is exactly what it would boil down to. Also,
>implying America would ever use that shit on American soil against American citizens.

But hey, let's try another argument.
>guns are bad, mmk?
such as,
>Innocent lives: 10k+ a year
Well, let's do a little math here.
Using the figure above for the population: 323 million.
According to google,
>Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015
Now, that includes both accidental discharges and suicides, not just murders. But LET'S ROUND IT UP and call it 15k.
>(15000/323000000)*100 = 0.00464%.
That's four one thousandths of one percent of the US population killed by guns in 2015.
Well, let's do some more math. Let's say that for every one of those murders, one person is responsible, a 1:1 ratio.
>15000 gun murderers a year.
Okay, I'll give you that number. Now, LET'S MATH THIS SHIT.
>(15000/(323000000/3))*100 = 0.0139%
That's the percentage of registered gun owners who would've killed someone, if they were all registered gun owners--most of them weren't. Most were felons who cannot legally own a firearm. But I'm being generous with the numbers here, for your sake.
So, you're telling me that because one tenth of one percent of the population loses their shit on a yearly basis and kills four one thousandths of one percent of the population, that the entire rest of the population--that 99.996% of the population deserves to have their Second Amendment rights revoked and their firearms confiscated because a few idiots can't control themselves?

>drone strike 175 million people

Riiiiiight

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True

Citizens should own antiaircraft devices.

Well that would be Occams Razor then wouldnt it??

it is the socialist way you know

let them in and were all ded

I have not. Mind elaborating?

Because until you do, I'm forced to assume you actually have no idea what you're talking about and you're just mad that your beliefs don't align with mine so you're spouting arbitrary insults in a veiled attempt to feel like you won or are in some way superior. The logic being something like "if he's not intelligent, I obviously win the argument. So I just need to prove he's unintelligent, not disprove his statements"

In the mean time, until you post something with actual merit, I'm going to start ignoring your posts and resume discussing the potential costs and benefits associated with gun ownership.

Let's put it this way.

Mexico is 25th on the list of most intended homicides per year (USA is right behind Somalia LOL). Guns and all weapons except tasers and mace are highly illegal in Mexico. Carrying even a small knife in the street is 3 years is federal prison (unless you can bribe the cop). And guess what, it's super fucking easy to get an illegal gun in Mexico.

So, in Mexico the only people that have guns are cholo faggots, thieves and narcos. The regular citizen has nothing to protect themselves, not even a knife. And they lead the world in homicides.

Taking guns away at this point in American history, where there are fucking hundreds of thousands of them circulating, is going to do nothing except leave the average civilian defenseless and the Gangs (read: cops) and thieves are going to still have them, shooting robbing and raping with them.

youtube.com/watch?v=1YuM2PGx51U
AC-DC Thunderstruck / Jet Fighters

How many drones do you think they have guy? There's 150 million americans with guns and they don't have enough missiles.

Oh no no. I totally agree about the fact that more poverty = more crime. No doubt about that.
I have a couple of issues still though.
1. The countries you list and the ones listed on Wikipedia above the U.S are all 3rd world countries. Even the ones directly below the U.S. Just take that in for a second, there are 3rd world countries with less violence per capita. I actually intended to elaborate that "developed countries got this one figured out" but I thought that was implied seeing as the U.S isn't technically a 3rd world country.
2. I actually happen to live in Denmark, and we have exactly 0 gun owners. I say gun as in personal defense handgun/assault rifle. Maybe 1 in 10.000 have a low powered hunting rifle/double barrel shotgun. And we have damn near 0 gun violence.
3. If your government wanted you dead, there is not a single thing you could do about it. That's a shitty excuse for giving every social reject a gun and turning your country into Mad Max.

nice.

Put simply, If you take away our 2nd Amendment right, we as citizens are defenseless.

see

Daily reminder:

When you were 15, watching porn and playing video games everyday, ATTRACTIVE males your age were already having sex.
Everything was happening behind your back and no one told you because you were deemed UNFIT to participate in such sexual activities .
It was over before it even began.

Life is all about being YOUNG and cool, a generically handsome jock who lays with his virgin gf under the stars, seeing her priceless face as you first enter her pure pussy, moaning your name when her parents aren't home. Having a cool group of jock friends to hang out with...THAT is what life is all about

Sneaking out at night to lie with your virgin gf under the stars. Penetrating her for the first time. Seeing her face in the crowd at your HS football game. Having a huge group of jock friends. You never experienced any of that. It's over. You lost at life. Time to man up and become a provider. Time to downsize and save for retirement. Time to acknowledge that you were always destined for mediocrity. Welcome to hell. Welcome to life.

THIS WILL NEVER BE YOU
ITS OVER

reality is fascists have already taken over you fucking delusioned retarded cunt

Fuck off

Your math is brilliant, but you actually made an error when reading the number. Your extremely conservative estimates suggested that one HUNDREDTH of one percent of registered gun owners will lose their shit on a yearly basis and kill a single person (each). Not one tenth of one percent.

You also did a wonderful job of showing how small the number of gun deaths are, but didn't put it into perspective with other numbers -- because truth be told, non-zero is still an issue. One gun death is still "too much", the question at that point is priorities. Is it really worth spending billions of dollars TRYING to solve gun violence with this sweeping regulation (that may not work) when we could be solving other problems?

Leading causes of death in America:

>Heart disease (614,348 per year -- 46x more than guns)
>Cancer (591,699 per year -- 44x more than guns)
>COPD (147,101 per year -- 11x more than guns)
>Car wrecks (136,053 -- 10x more than guns)

We need to ban fast food, cigarettes, and cars LONG before we ban guns

and the fascists are on the left.
but it's okay, because e the right is swiftly waking up.

You're right, but you can only fit so many facts in a single post.
Thanks for the Sup Forumslackup.

Thank you for proving this idiot wrong, the OP just seemed to dip after we started throwing the logic and rationality at him.

>implying your insurrection would EVER reach that level.

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Deal

You'll probably still be a little warm when we take it though.

> (You)
>and the fascists are on the left.
>but it's okay, because e the right is swiftly waking up.
shilling bipartisan left right
like i already said, you're a fucking retard who doesnt know jack shit, short is slaves cant own weapons, and ur a slave, so dont worry about the laws we got urs personally sorted

They're still in school getting socialogy and nigger diversity training degrees, reality hasn't set in to them yet.

Is this seriously how Americans think? Holy fucking shit you're a sociopath.

You're talking about 13.000, thirteen THOUSAND, innocent people dead.
Do you understand that concept? How the fuck would you like to die just so other people can have this imaginary right to carry a fucking gun? How would you like your mom or dad or your child to die?
Fucking stop and think about that fucking number you actual lunatic.

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