Band of Brothers/The Pacific

Are these the best miniseries ever made?
Which did you enjoy more?
How does Generation Kill comparare?

Will HBO ever finish and release the miniseries about the Eight Air Force that is supposed to be a companion to Band of Brothers and The Pacific?

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Generation Kill was better
Band of Brothers would probably been goat if it was from Waffen SS on Eastern Front perspective, from American sides, we saw same cliche shit that we saw thousand times before
Pacific was allright, stopped watching 5 episodes in, much slower, takes time for some artistic shit to show some deep meaning and plot points, but once again everything was done before and quite recently overall it was shit, Letter of Iwo Jimma did it ten times better

pacific was trash

except the scenes with the aussie sheilas

i had a wank to the scene in BoB where the dutch girl who fucked the nazi was getting her head shaved

Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter is a lot more depressing...and I'm not even a naziboo

I could only watch that series once tho. (Maybe watch it again for Charlotte)

>from Waffen SS on Eastern Front perspective
Shooting POWs and burning entire villages doesn't make for good TV

you quite watching the Pacific before the good parts? you're fucking retarded.

This.

Naziboos will say "muh humanisation", but then go immediately to the ideological shock troops with "sketchy" track records that they fap over, rather than the actually underdone story of the actual German equivalent of these series, the average Joe guys who just happened to be born in Germany.

I appreciated its brevity.
The two brothers had the best arc honestly.

That Australia episode was a bit of a shitpost.

>Pacific was allright, stopped watching 5 episodes in
Are you retarded? That's when the show gets good. The Peleliu three-parter, and the Okinawa episodes blow BoB out of the water.

Generation Kill is much better

It's also full of lies, is insulting to the polish people and makes the Wehrmacht look like some kinda slavery system where every single soldier doesn't actually want to fight or die for the fatherland when the opposite was the case, most people firmly believed in Hitlers cause because his propaganda machine was extremely effective. The show was garbage and I say that as a german myself.

fuck I meant Generation War, aka Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter

Pacific best. When Lecky returns home and breaks down in a middle of a hunt. That tore my heart out.
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I followed the threads, there ware no good parts
dude sledgehammer
dude ravi MOMS GONNA FREAK

>Only watched the Pacific 5 episodes in.

You're a fucking idiot user. You literally missed out on the best arc and best character that blew anything out from BoB or the Pacific.

Whoops meant sledge. Leckie cool too though.

It's not just Sledge but also Snafu, infact everything about the last episodes matter much more, hell even Leckie's dinner scene is one of his first and only truly decent character moments. Basilone is already dead so no more back and forth shitty storylines.

The end part of The pacific is the thing that redeems it and anyone saying otherwise never watched the whole thing, I don't care how many threads you read.

You have no clue what you're talking about.

>there ware no good parts
youtube.com/watch?v=uQW3iNLSu7I

The Pacific was too much of typical Hollywood propaganda and overblown drama to me. Band of Brothers also had the superior cinematography and actors. Generation War is complete garbage.

>I've seen the threads
>That means I've basically seen all of the last episodes

If you have no idea what you're talking about, I don't really think you can make a claim on how good the last episodes were if you've never seen them.

The fuck outta here with that nonsense, I'm talking about the most elite fighting force that ever walked on the face of this planet, Prussian commanders and Generals that lead the lads, that faced unfathomable odds and persevered to such an unbelievable extent that they acted as literal fire brigades plugging the holes in front line breakthroughs and changing the tide. Heroism, Loyalty, Bravery, Courage the Waffenn SS

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Again this person has no clue what you're talking about. BoB is based off of one source and is literally true hollywood propaganda feel good story, The pacific is literally the opposite. Stop shitposting and acting like you have any clue what you're talking about.

The Pacific was better of the two but Generation Kill was better than all of those.

God I wish we got another one like it.

>Hollywood Propaganda

The fuck kind of argument is that? Hollywood Propaganda would be some sort of patriotic and feel-good which is exactly what BoB was. The pacific theater was the most brutal and bitter war for the Americans in WW2 and the Pacific displayed exactly just that.

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I wish we got a WW1 series or something on the german side. Or both.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Werner_Holt

Can't even compare to this piece of russian kino.

Notice how the good soldier disobeys orders to do what he thinks is right. Typical Hollywood bullshit, making it seem like the american soldiers were all just following orders to do gruesome shit but were really sensitive and goodhearted deep down inside.

I don't even know how the fuck you reached that conclusion by watching that. It's time to stop shitposting user.

It's right there in the video. It's the same thing in countless other war movies and a well known stereotype, I have no idea how you can't recognize that. It's not like I'm calling The Pacific shit but it sure as fuck isn't a proper anti-war series.

Seek help.

No, the episode goes through a moral arc of hatred and disillusionment and deciding for themselves that they didn't want to just randomly murder people which was the entire point of being in a place like okinawa which felt like rotting hell on earth and when soldiers did disobey, they were murdering unarmed soldiers, almost getting fragged by dying civvies and getting themselves killed.

There was nothing feel good about it and last episode showed the price Sledge paid for his hatred. He couldn't let the war go and compared it with his brother who fought in europe and had a much better war experience than he.

If by feel good you mean tormented in very soul just like his father said he would be yeah..feel good..being wrong and finding out your father was right.

You're just a shitposting faggot.

Funny you post that Webm considering that battle ruined any hope of a German victory.

Are you fucking retarded user? Did you even watch the clip? Sledge disobeys orders because he wants to kill the jap. Where the fuck did you get the idea that American soldiers were sensitive and kindhearted from that clip?

Thats the way war goes, you either win or get lucky

It's not about "feel good", it's about the way things are portrayed, like it's every soldiers own decision how to handle things when in reality almost everything is out of their control.

Are you reading my mind?

Just finished the first ep of BoB for the 2nd time its aged amazingly

BoB = Saving Private Ryan = Hacksaw Ridge > GK > TP

Saving Private Ryan is shit outside the opening scene. Soon as the story starts, the movie goes straight to hell.

>Saving Private Ryan

Guessed as much that people who like this drivel also like to watch a genuine war propaganda movie.

Except the Okinawa episode displayed exactly that. Throughout the episode they're complaining about things that are out of their control. Like how they can't rescue civilians, like how they got fucking artillery striked by their own guys, like how they were going to be stuck on the island forever. Did you even watch the fucking episode? I think it's time to sit down and shut the fuck up until you actually watch it.

The beginning and end scenes make up for the sloppy middle

Serious question: In The Pacific, why do most of the Marines carry semi-auto rifles like the M1 and M19, but some are shown with fully auto submachine guns? Was there any particular reason an infantryman was given a rifle instead of a submachine gun or a smg instead if a rifle?

Artillery incompetence is a literal stereotype in war movies because it satisfies the frontline soldier (and therefore the sympathizing viewer) to look down upon the "cowardly" backline troops.
Also americans didn't give a shit about civilians lmao.

Just giving them whatever they had in stock although a rifle is always more of a default weapon than the SMG.

The end scenes are the worst part of the movie, I almost threw up in my mouth from all the melodrama and american war heroism.

wew glad i dont come here and talk about movies i actually like then.

Dont need Sup Forumss approval or anything but i did wunna discuss bob and related series

Except for the fact that Sledge is a mortarmen and he's technically backline troops too. And it's also pretty ignorant to say that Americans didn't give a shit when they historically actually tried to save civilians on Okinawa.

But all of that diverges from the main point. You tried to argue how The Pacific was Hollywood Propaganda and how it was supposedly a positive portrayal of soldiers. I'm just here to say that you're a fucking retard if you actually watched through the series and actually believe that.

I liked Generation Kill way more than the other two because it felt more personal

It seemed like officers and NCO's had the smgs and carbines more often than the junior enlisted Marines, who mainly had rifles. I'm not sure if this was intentional or if it was, as you said, a matter of making due with equipment they had.

Also, was Snafu based on a real guy? If so, I'm pretty sure he had some kind of low-level sociopathy.

>It seemed like officers and NCO's had the smgs and carbines more often than the junior enlisted Marines, who mainly had rifles. I'm not sure if this was intentional or if it was, as you said, a matter of making due with equipment they had.
Yeah the SMGs were considered "better equipment" while the rifles were the regular troop weapons. But I'm pretty sure that for the average soldiers they distributed those fairly randomly. Though probably they did form at least squads that were equipped with SMGs solely with the intention of assaulting enemies while the regular riflemen cover their approach.

Whenever the miniseries about the mighty eighth comes out, I hope they then do a series focusing on the Navy so we would have one for the Army, Army Air Forces, Marine Corps and Navy. A Navy miniseries based around a submarine crew in the Pacific could be great.

And I really hope the "Masters of the Air" series at least gives some focus to he fighter pilots escorts that protected the bombers. I want to see some good, high quality WWII dogfighting. They could treat it like a hybrid of BoB (which focused on one Company all the way through) and The Pacific (which focused on three main characters and the people around them) by primarily focusing on a single bomber crew, but also a fighter pilot from the Eighth that ran protection for them. Doubly cool if they focus on an actual flying ace... but I'm not sure if many bomber escorts became aces.

Sledge's Mortar squad seems to use carbines and Leckie used a rifle when he was a part of the machine gun squad, but used an smg to take out a patrol of four Japanese scouts in the episode where he is temporarily resigned to Company Intel... even though they end up using him on patrols with the regular troops anyway. So it seems likely that officers, senior NCOs and people assigned as indirect fire like mortarmen and this assigned to an HQ detachment like Intel might have been more likely to be assigned smgs and carbines.

>tried to fight a land war in Russia
>in winter
Please tell me again how long it took for the Germans to realize they were being set up.

Does anyone have any suggestions for other tv series/miniseries that are similar to Band of Brothers, The Pacific, Generation Kill, Generation War, et al?

I've heard pic related is good, but haven't seen it yet and I'm not sure which version to look for.

Long range was still king, and rifles were in larger supply. Stocking every soldier with a tommy gun would have been a monumental tactical waste, and it pigeonholes all your guys into a single role.

>ctrl+f
>John Adams
Fucking plebs.

What was the tactical use of the smg in WWII? And why was it mostly officers and senior NCOs that carried them?

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just watch the longest version. Every other version is fine too.

Yeah and I am not even American.

t. cuck

The second most realistic submarine movie ever! Only Down Periscope is more accurate.

Pacific better.

Close combat is infinitely more difficult with long rifles. Assaulting buildings, defending squadmates from enemy SMGs and flamethrowers. They gave the weapon to squad leaders because they were prime targets. Keeping down and behind cover/squaddies kept him safe from rifles and grenades, but enemy SMGs could fuck his day up.
Then you're down not only enlisted men, but a trained squad leader as well.

Nigga what, most of the wehrmacht were soldiers fighting for their country, they could have given less of a shit about Hitler/Nazism. The only reason most didn't defect early is because they thought their homes were going to be destroyed, which ended up happening anyway. That and they were a professional army, well disciplined.

To me generation kill didn't make sense as a show. I still to this day know whether is was a war drama or a comedy show. Nobody on the show dies, everything is basically a surreal feel to it, and the characters are very 1 dimensional and seems like they know they won't die.

Sounds like Call of Duty 1

Considering it is based on a real life group in a real life war, and no one died in that group during said war, complaining that no one died is silly.

Why does everything focused on the Pacific theater seem to be about Marines? The Army did just as much on the ground there and the Navy did a ton.

Because Americans think Marines are super elite for some reason despite their regular infantry being no better than their Army's infantry.

Generation war was Bob from the german side

Except they made the Poles look worse than the Nazis.

>you will never go island hopping with your bros, killing japs and taking the gold from their teeth with your KA-BAR