Atheists love using science and physics to disprove God

Atheists love using science and physics to disprove God.

Alright, lets play their game. According to the multiverse theory, there are infinite versions of different universes - one where gravity doesn't exist, one where you're a president, one where rocks are made of gold, so on.

Statistically, in those infinite probable universes, at least one is capable of having the laws required to contain an all-powerful God.

>Therefore, God is literally impossible not to exist in at least one of those infinite versions of universes.

All you'll need is a SINGLE all-powerful being to appear in the sea of infinite probabilities, just one, and you end up with a God that fits our definition.

And one more thing, atheists also love to claim that their universe, and consciousness in it therefore, can appear just like that - from nothing. Who's to say that a God can't?

Q.E.D

>inb4 theres no way to prove the multiverse theory and not everyone bealives in it
wew

>Atheists love using science and physics to disprove God.
No. Burden of proof is on theists
> According to the multiverse theory
not proven
>Statistically, in those infinite probable universes, at least one is capable of having the laws required to contain an all-powerful God.
an infinity does not necessarily contain everything
an infinity of ints doesn't contain pi
>All you'll need is a SINGLE all-powerful being to appear in the sea of infinite probabilities, just one, and you end up with a God that fits our definition.

all powerful is a paradox

>Who's to say that a God can't?
noone really though i've heard from christians soething from nothing is actually a paradox and makes no sense, i don't know desu

>Q.E.D
the hubris

>all powerful is a paradox

Explain and define what the whole of existence (the sum of all universes and everything that exists) in our reality is then.

How is that a paradox?


>an infinity does not necessarily contain everything

Yes it does. Hence its an infinity.

>according to the multiverse theory

Into the trash. Did anyone really bother reading the rest of it?

>How is that a paradox?
Can an all powerful god create something he can't destroy?
>Yes it does. Hence its an infinity.
An infinity of integers (1, 2, 3, 4) so on does NOT contain pi(3.14... so on)

Multiverse isn't legit yet...

Also you fused two of multiverse theories. The one that say "I'm a president on other verse" isn't as legit as the one saying "there's other verses with no gravity, no..."

It's widely accepted by physicists.

>Can an all powerful god create something he can't destroy?
You're using the human definition of "all-powerful". All powerful means something at the very top of the chain that is more powerful than the rest of existence. Being more powerful than itself is not necessary.

>An infinity of integers (1, 2, 3, 4) so on does NOT contain pi(3.14... so on)
It doesn't. Wanna know what contains it, however? Our universe. And an infinity of unvierses contain an infinity of pi variations. That's not just pi, that's ALL POSSIBLE variations of pi.

>it's widely accepted by physicists
No it's not
t. Physicist

>You're using the human definition of "all-powerful"
Aah
>All powerful means something at the very top of the chain that is more powerful than the rest of existence. Being more powerful than itself is not necessary.
So basically it defies logic. I'm sorry, I can't rationally believe in something that defies logic.

>And an infinity of unvierses contain an infinity of pi variations. That's not just pi, that's ALL POSSIBLE variations of pi.
>DUDE SCIENCE LMAO
Tbh, I think it's a really cool idea about pi. But no proof anywhere.

Also let me ask you this. If god exists in one of the universes-let's say X, because it has the specific set of laws that allow it to exist there, then how can you prove to me that we live in universe X.

Even if our current pocket of singular timeline is the only timeline to exist, the fact is that the universe contains the whole of existence, therefore, it is, in fact, all-powerful!
It also contains the combined consciousness, thoughts and knowledge of every single sentient civilization in it. It is capable of accessing all of that, simultaneously, and is actively doing so every planck time.

Literal definition of a God.

So basically it defies logic.
What? Are you trying to tell me that the universe isn't conscious and that it can't be qualified as the entity that is everything around us? Here's something logical - an entity that sits on the top of existence doesn't need to be more powerful than itself, as the only thing that challenges its status of all-powerful is everything below it, excluding itself.

>Also let me ask you this. If god exists in one of the universes-let's say X, because it has the specific set of laws that allow it to exist there, then how can you prove to me that we live in universe X.

Let me answer with a question - how can you be sure that our current universe is completely sealed from the rest - how can you be sure that it doesn't contain the particles of other universes, and that there isn't some constant transfer going on, like our particles disappearing from our universe and being replaced by "outside" particles?
>Hint: virtual particles and hawking radiation

>Are you trying to tell me that the universe isn't conscious
Never even spoke of such a thing.
Anyway we haven't seen indication of it being conscious. I suppose us, being conscious and being a part of the universe can mean the universe is conscious.
>Here's something logical
I'm not saying it has to be more powerful than itself. I'm saying it can't be all-powerful because then it wouldn't be able to create something it can't destroy.
Why does a god have to be all-powerful? It could just be really really powerful but have a few logical limits.
That's a god i'd be more willing to believe it exists Tbh.
>Let me answer with a question
Why would you ever do that?
Also, I was 100% sure you'd say the universes can communicate.
But see, here's a problem. There are infinitely many universes. I find it statistically hard to believe that any two universes would have particles similar enough(read same) to be interchangeable.

bampin to give op time to sort out his netx post

Define "same"

You're looking at it from the point of view of particles, and that they have to be the same. What about their building blocks, and their building blocks? What exists at planck length?

Particles are just the result of whatever exists in the smallest point of space, which constructs X, Y, Z and whatever different levels there are until you reach the particles themselves. While particles have the probability of being different throughout the different universes, the very building blocks of reality don't, as they're commonly shared throughout the whole of reality and every single universe, else it would be impossible for those universes to be categorized in "our" "reality", and if it isn't our reality, what other reality does exist, and how does it exists so that it's completely separated from our?

Also, stop saging the thread f.am

>Define "same"
similar enough to be, interchangeable between two universes
I actually find it logical that there's this super small particle or fundamental piece that can be used to build it all. But that's philosophy at best.
So you're saying the multiverse is our reality that contains all the universes.
I guess, still no proofs of any of this, which would be one of the first things to prove, and then you would have to prove the god part.

>Also, stop saging the thread f.am
I'm going to bed now, have this bunp.

atheists are dumb desu. all of them die and still god lives.

until when.....

by the way i just remembered, was it you that posted warcraft porn in a Sup Forums warcraft thread like a week ago or something

God would transcend laws of multiple realities, that's the whole point of omnipotence. So there is no singular universe where there is a God. He would be present throughout all of them.

Nah

>He would be present throughout all of them.

Yes, and still, such an entity can and actually does exist.

A fundamental building block of reality HAS to exist that is shared between all of the universes. That fundamental block builds the whole of reality and everything contained in it, including the infinite universes and consciousness in them. It built all the laws in every single universe and formed matter out of nothing.

What if, instead of trying to zoom out to find God, we zoom in instead? Isn't the single building block, that is an exact copy of itself throughout the infinity of our reality, and is responsible for all existence, actually the exact definition of an omnipotent God that has absolute control over everything? Every single structure and law above that block exists because of it. It's literally "everything"

>infinity of integers
You're adding a constraint to infinity therefore it would not be infinity. Infinity would contain every decimal place between those numbers as well.

>Alright, lets play their game. According to the multiverse theory, there are infinite versions of different universes - one where gravity doesn't exist, one where you're a president, one where rocks are made of gold, so on.

let's asume that multiverse theory is correct.

>Statistically, in those infinite probable universes, at least one is capable of having the laws required to contain an all-powerful God.

by your definition, that being would be contained to that universe because only that universe would have the laws required to contain him/her/zer.

>All you'll need is a SINGLE all-powerful being to appear in the sea of infinite probabilities, just one, and you end up with a God that fits our definition.

what is your definition of god? people have wildly different definitions, some cant exists because they're self contradictory or logically inconsistent. You need to define god before you start this argument

also, any being that appears in any of the universes will do so in accordance with the laws that dictate that universe. It will be contrary to logic that a being can appear in a universe by processes that cant take place in that universe

>And one more thing, atheists also love to claim that their universe, and consciousness in it therefore, can appear just like that - from nothing

pic related

>>He would be present throughout all of them.
>Yes, and still, such an entity can and actually does exist.

>Statistically, in those infinite probable universes, at least one is capable of having the laws required to contain an all-powerful God.
>laws required to contain an all-powerful God
>required

you refuted urself senpai

also

>A fundamental building block of reality HAS to exist that is shared between all of the universes

why? if me asume multiverse theory is correct, we still dont know anything about other universes. why does that building block of reality HAS to exists and be shared by all universes?

>Isn't the single building block, that is an exact copy of itself throughout the infinity of our reality, and is responsible for all existence, actually the exact definition of an omnipotent God that has absolute control over everything? Every single structure and law above that block exists because of it. It's literally "everything"

define god before asserting shit, if it a building block you make it sound that its something that works according to laws, and not a being like you said in ur first post

>Atheists love using science and physics to disprove God.

No Atheists don't do that. It's impossible to disprove the existence of an omnipotent being because if God existed and did not want to be detected by us, God could choose to avoid detection.

What Atheists do is use science and physics to show that the Universe could be the way it is now without the existence of God, and that God is not necessary to explain our universe. If God exists, and he created the universe, then he created a Universe which did not need God's help to be created.

All my posts up to the one where I talk about building blocks are basically bait-tier shit I came up with while thinking about this stuff. Shit starts to get real after that, however, as I've never actually thought of it that way and am starting to really believe in what I'm typing as its just so fucking logical.

Forget about the definition of God and all that. Let's discuss the building block.

Whatever it is - be it a single universe or a multiverse, there MUST be a fundamental block that is the cause of everything, and everything is the effect of it. It is contained in literally everything that is capable of existing in reality, as without it in its structure, nothing can logically exist. Since it is in effect "reality", and there can only be a single "reality", it is the same everywhere throughout existence. If it's completely and fully identical to its copies, then its basically the same block, so in effect, there's just a single entity - that block, that is causing all of existence - multiverses or not.

So, that entity can basically create everything imaginable, and even beyond imagination - even Heaven and Hell. It doesn't obey any laws as it creates them and nothing can challenge it as it is the sole entity that exists. Isn't that literally God?

And if such a block doesn't exist, mind explaining what's causing whatever the smallest building block of our universe is, to exist?

Another thing to add, since the guy above mentioned the all-powerful self-destruction paradox.

It's unironically solved by this. That all-powerful block is capable of materializing another all-powerful block, that can logically challenge it and destroy it, since its all-powerful and all that.
Problem is, that the product of such an event would be nothing but a full copy of itself, as the only entity that is capable of "destroying" it must be another all-powerful entity - the block itself.
The same copy of that block would produce the same reality, and therefore, be contained in the same reality, even if it actually destroyed "itself", or the other copy. And if it didn't destroy it, they would still produce the equal "existence", as there can only be one logical state of existence, which means that there's basically nothing but a single block with no copies of it.

It can destroy itself, but the event used to destroy itself will produce the same logical outcome anyway, as it's a literal copy of itself.
Basically, it's both capable of destroying itself and is impossible to be destroyed.