What does Sup Forums think about Universal Basic Income?

What does Sup Forums think about Universal Basic Income?

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Lazy

i want it so i dont have to pretend that im crazy and go on disability to get neet bux

Should have been implemented long ago.

Thanks for nothing rich people.

>Better dead than red
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UBI doesn't imply socialism

lol anyone against this is a retard who doesnt think the government spends way too much money on wanking itself off

ruling class will never run out of money now give us some or die faggots

Is it true that the government could pay for UBI and get rid of welfare programs and not have to drastically increase spending?

three words military industrial complex

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Three more words huge nigger dicks

what does that have to do with anything?

It's a stupid idea, just like "living wage" is a stupid idea. Unless you are going to control what people spend their money on, it doesn't make a difference. They'll say shit like it costs more to eat healthy than to eat bad, but apples are $1.99 / # and a 1 pound bag of potato chips is $4.99.
A better thing to do is to change the tax code to a national sales tax or a flat tax with no deductions / tax breaks. Everyone should have some skin in the game.

Would work in smaller countries, not the US

I think the idea is that people get the money they need for basic necessities and they have more breathing room to find work they enjoy and maybe get educated more

it's inevitable given how many technological advances have taken over various parts of industry and will continue to. (this is both good and bad) also, you will likely hear the people who cling to the notion we are worse for this, but given how society functions in the early stages of this boom of advancement, i mostly lean towards it being for the better. (if anything it will hopefully make higher education more attainable and a core norm for the general populous)

That is the idea. The reality is a great number of them will still be piss poor because they choose to not support themselves, spend money on drugs, alcohol, tobacco, soda, junk food and other unnecessary things.

I don't believe that the majority of poor people would do that honestly

You are living in a fantasy world then.

It kinda does if you want UBI to have any impact. Government has to control what people can spend it on and prevent the hiking of prices of goods in response to it.

There are several issues with it that I can see.

Inflation is the big one. No proponent of UBI has explained clearly to me why it won't become a leading cause of massive inflation.

Secondly, it's politically problematic. The chiefs of the various social programs would never voluntarily step down without a fight, and neither would the workers. So just yanking it all out to be replaced seems like a pipe dream.

Thirdly, I have a problem with it morally because I believe most addicts would use it to just get high and so, we'd be inadvertently giving massive support to cartels in the form of government money.

Gibs me dats free money niqqua

>simplify the handout system
>just give everyone 500 bucks
>blockchain all government finances
>fire all finance employees, IRS etc
>build AI
you probably save a shitload, but the system would collapse, its a long story but everything is attached to each other
just let it collapse, have a war and start over with the new system

It's less effective welfare, which is saying something.

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the reason why some spend money on those things because of psychological, cultural and societal basis. there are far more low income people who utilize aid given to them in a proper fashion than those who do not. moreover, it's far more beneficial to fund these programs as they treat woes of a society rather than contribute to them. (i.e. crime, poverty, homelessness)

It's more effective than welfare? Fraud would be gone and there would be less government spending

No, it's less effective because you can't control what the money is spent on. People would receive money yet still not have food, housing, medical care, etc.

don't get me wrong, there are poor people who are genuinely struggling out there despite doing just about everything they can to improve their situation.

But also, particularly in any first world country, most poor people are fucking something up. All it takes in most first world countries to not be piss poor is to not have a criminal record longer than Ron Jeremy's dick, and to not have children before you can afford them.

I think UBI might be a good idea in the future, but for now i think it would need some sort of limitation on where the money would be spent. As a straight up 'heres some money' idea on a wide scale it feels it would just lead to poor people with shitty spending habits buying up more shit and staying poor cus they can probably mooch more off of others.

I think you should get a fucking job, nigger.

You are welcome to believe that. Most of my life I lived within bike riding distance of East St. Louis. I saw first hand what went on. I saw them build low-income housing, only to have the residents trash them. I used to go to a convenience store by my house and see the ones living in the low rent apartments spend $1.25 on a single Swisher Sweet.
Not all are horrible people, but at best it will be a zero-sum gain. Some might use it to lift themselves up, but others won't. My proof? All of the "assistance" programs which haven't worked in the past / are abused.

People won't have a drive to work harder anymore and basically become lazy basement dwellers like almost everyone on this board.

>wants gibsmedats
>pretend that im crazy
>pretend

How to get full-time job with benefits that pays more than 25k per year?

>But also, particularly in any first world country, most poor people are fucking something up. All it takes in most first world countries to not be piss poor is to not have a criminal record longer than Ron Jeremy's dick, and to not have children before you can afford them.

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

For my country, we're talking a price tag of 30 billion a month. A FUCKING MONTH.
If you can tell me where that kinda scratch is coming from without deficit spending, I'm all ears.

See this image^

Simple: get a fucking job.

>Inflation is the big one. No proponent of UBI has explained clearly to me why it won't become a leading cause of massive inflation.

if you truly think the global monetary system operates as it did in the past, you're a very ignorant person

>Secondly, it's politically problematic. The chiefs of the various social programs would never voluntarily step down without a fight, and neither would the workers. So just yanking it all out to be replaced seems like a pipe dream.

it happens all the time, see the revolving door

>Thirdly, I have a problem with it morally because I believe most addicts would use it to just get high and so, we'd be inadvertently giving massive support to cartels in the form of government money.

an addict will do whatever it takes to support their habit, whether that means robbing you and getting arrested, going to court, being incarcerated (each step funded taxes!)

Go on line to Monster, Glassdoors, Career Builder, ihire or any number of websites which list jobs. You can even go through your states unemployment services website.

And, don't just get one job, get a second one. Not only will you have more money, but you'll have less time to spend your money.

I think the consensus is that its around $1000-2000 per person per month

Cutting welfare programs would make that easy

time.com/4737956/universal-basic-income/

If you think I'm ignorant, then explain a bit about your points instead of being a dick. One word answers and insults mean very little. Enlighten me.

Well I think suicide is the best option for me. Thanks, user.

This. Just nuke everything.

>Cutting welfare programs would make that easy
So when people are still starving on the street or don't have the money for emergency medical care, would you be willing to do nothing?

>if you truly think the global monetary system operates as it did in the past, you're a very ignorant person

I'm an oldfag. Back in the 1980's college didn't cost that much. To encourage people to go to college to get a better job and pay more taxes, the government gave out cheap loans.
For "some reason" college started to get more expensive and professors started getting paid a whole lot more.
I wonder what the key factor of the increase in the cost of college was???

Yes, and for a country with 30 million people, that's 30 billion a month.
Our current YEARLY budget for all social welfare is at 24 billion.
That's a 12 fold increase in spending.
So I'm not sure why you keep claiming that cutting welfare will make it viable.

Happy to help.

You REPLACE welfare programs with UBI dumbass

It is so expensive, it can only work with something like a land value tax, which is something I'm in favor of.

>being called ignorant is insulting

i don't think me providing a further explanation will help if that's how you interpreted being ignorant

Swedish white trash reporting in. Long line of gamblers and alcoholics living on minimum even though sweet gibmedats have always been coming in.

Not everyone is capable of self improvement just because they have the means.

Not viable.

That's the whole point dumbass. What happens when people don't spend their UBI wisely and are literally dying? Since you've gotten rid of welfare programs, they die.

I think it means I need to work harder, so I can be fat and happy when its implemented.

Nice dodge - further jabs and argument deflection. Now I guess you're thinking you don't have to defend your argument?

This post is so dumb im not even gonns respond.

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great job

Then my point stands. gg.

Yeah, no shit if we were to make it a socialist shithole with government owned automation to fund it.
But since when has ANY government outside of Nazi Germany actually made life for their people better?
Hell, since when has any government been able to run a business without it hemorrhaging money left and right!
And nine times out of ten, the minute the government sells, the company starts turning a profit!

No, fam. Just no.
We aren't there yet socially for this to work. Won't happen in our lifetime. At least not in a functional sort of way.

the local, state, federal, global finacial system has been ever increasing more weaponized which has cause it to be both more irrelavent (in terms of actual value) and fragile (as it relates to person/people, businesses/corporations, government/global governance)


....and why has all this happened, because we are degenerate fucking apes

The article talks about jobs disappearing due to robots and automation and how UBI would help people when their jobs are taken by robots in the near future

Fixed.

I'm not arguing that point. I just don't see it as near future.
It's where we are going to be heading EVENTUALLY. It's inevitable. But with where our politics are going these days? Where a budget says woman and gender and inclusive, more than GDP budget and finances....

So yeah. Don't hold your breath. Just hope that WWIII cleans things up enough that your grandchildren can build that wonderful automated utopia we all dream of.

Here's an idea!
EQUIVALENT TAX BREAK.
That way, we don't have to come up with some stupid amount of money. Those who deserve it, get it. Those who don't, won't.
Much easier logistically (Beyond UBI's face cost, is administration costs.)

i apologize if my responses are not suitable to you, however i am simply attempting to explain that your view of what i've said (then again doubled down on it with this recent response) is a huge indication it would be extremely difficult for me to guide through my assertions simply because your belief system doesnt allow it

I got it!
Only give UBI to people under a certain yearly or monthly income and don't give it to elders getting social security money
Then cost will go way down if it's not everyone receiving

You mean welfare?

Ummmm. So... the current system?
Except with a bonus of cutting off the old people?

>guys, i found... a bugged online store

Not the same guy but, nigga, it looks like you didn't even try to explain it to him.

After WW3 there won't be anyone left to clean things up

fuck off fag

Just not the same thing

Yea, he's just trying to be a smart-ass. Fuck him. I was hoping to get some alternative views here, but it's all dick-measuring.

Why do you think people are poor to begin with? Income isn't really a barrier unless you are a moron.

I know a guy who would be considered poor, but he's got a lot of great toys, and has a lot of fun. It's because he doesn't piss his money away. He saves it, and pays cash for things.

still dogeing, kek

nice

Inevitable reaction to technological unemployment.

I would continue to take care of my family member, while finally being able to NOT worry about bills.

I know others would abuse the system and be lazy fucking nigs though.

You don't need a lot of human labour to produce food, water, sewage or power. Did you forget that computers and machines exist? Also its retarded to think everyone will quit their job once basic income is a thing. Plenty of countries have it and they don't need to rebuild anything.

Plenty of countries have excessive resource money at their disposal along with a small population.
Denmark comes to mind....

And most would. I know I would. Without the NEED to feed/clothe/shelter myself. The drive to work is gone.

So far its happening in canada where they've selected three cities for basic income, they'll try it out for 3 years and if its proven successful then it'll be wide spread either in the ontario province or the rest of canada, I'm just hoping that its successful so I can recieve basic income along with my monthly disability income which is $1,250 a month, I'll be earning a yearly salary of $21,000 which is more than enough for me to live off of

>deserve
You need to be 18+ to use this website.

Bud, if I'm working, putting into the system, vs some shit who's picking his ass all day.
Who deserves that bonus more?

Come back when you're a bit older, user.

So when I'm 50?
Come back when you start paying taxes, kid.

I dont know if you know this but success in life often has very little to do with what you deserve. Rural filth have been working hard for generations and they're no closer to economic prosperity than they were before the Industrial Revolution. Some people do nothing productive with their time and manage to succeed. Deserve has nothing to do with it.

Perhaps you and I would quit but there are people out there with more motivation and goals.
Refer to pic 2 for other drives Also the transition to the new system can be slowed down by starting with low income and gradually raising it.

We're talking ideals vs reality.
Of course reality doesn't line up with the ideals.

I'm from Hamilton and receive 1900 a month from ubi

My argument is that the vast majority would simply stop working. Spend all day getting "fucked up" and generally being useless.
Which is why I pair my full automation arguments with massive population control measures.
Such as sterilization of low IQ individuals.

>sterilization of low IQ individuals
GOP voters BTFO

It's fucking retarded.

DNC too.
Retards are in all camps.
>Sorry to hear about your selection for the sterilization process. But it's for the betterment of humanity.

Cool story do you also work or do you just live off the UBI?

Exactly. As an 140 IQ pleb I know I won't be the first to be killed off, but eventually it's my turn, and I will GLADLY accept death to make room for true geniuses (who will be mostly Ashkenazi Jews because of the shape of the bell curve).