What are Sup Forums's thoughts on Sigmumd Freud's thoughts on pedophiles?

What are Sup Forums's thoughts on Sigmumd Freud's thoughts on pedophiles?

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>Fraudian logic
None.

Can you explain this excerpt? I can't get through the rambling.

yeah its written in a convoluted way, was it translated from german or something?

I think hes saying the obvious:

Pedophiles like children because pedophiles have sexual desires and may be easier to release them with a helpless powerless child than a mature adult

I don't believe that. I think pedophiles didn't get enough affection at a young age, either from their family or peers, and want to "right their wrongs" by using kids as a stand in for themselves and giving children the affection they craved.

well.. i dont think so.. giving them affection... I mean there is likely a spectrum, that goes all the way to extreme harm and abuse and rape ..that doesnt sound like affection... wanting to give a kid affection you didnt get, they would simply strive to become a good parent bioly or adopting.

Not sexually.

Obviously you must understand at least one aspect of it must be: it is easier for them to get sex from a child (usually, is it not by force, unwillful, unconsensual) than from a mature adult woman. Think about the psychological differences between a mature adult women and a little girl (I know not much, but still, purses, bags, shoes, buy my this, buy me a new ring... as opposed to... buy me this ice cream, and this stuffed animal)..

He makes the farmer comparison.. Farmers are quite isolated... not many women around, maybe the nearest house is 1000s of yards away... rarely see people.... what you have easy access to, path of least resistance

And on top of all that, the simple ability for a man to be attracted to a childs look, as a man can be attracted to a gemstones look or a cars look, or a sunsets beauty, a certain man can think a 15 year old girl is beautiful, or a 14, or 13

What are your thoughts on Sup Forumss thoughts on sigmumd Freud’s thoughts on pedophiles?

I don't think my theory is true 100% of the time, but definitely in some cases. Some pedos don't want to hurt the child and may even want them to like them back. It doesn't make sense that it's just about getting your rocks off the easiest way possible, I don't think most desperately horny people could get aroused by kids if they tried.

Since you got dubs I'll answer

I like them so far
Btw just so everyone knows, "inverted" is his term for homosexual

I think they're thoughtful

>reads Lolita once

>I don't think most desperately horny people
maybe thats why most desperately horny people (how many of there are those?) arent pedophiles?

The point is: you are trying to come at it from a non sexual angle:

But if sex is involved, its kind of silly to do that. First and foremost.

my: want to show child affection: be parent or adopt: kind of eliminates your point. (and dont have sex with them).

Want to have sex, dont have sex with children...

and if you cant find anyone to have sex with... then...

but yes, there are likely pedophiles that are attracted to children, just as there are people attracted to latex, and lactating, and lollipops, and ballcrushing, and cucking, and bdsm (weird things)...


partly there are strong animal urges, ala frueds suggestion: like a lion that sees food.

A person is attracted to females, has ingrained evolutionary desires to reproduce, for 1000s of years men were marrying 13 year olds... at one point all men were 13 year olds and likely thought 13 chicks were hot... etc.

I don't know his reasoning regarding that but his penis envy theory is pretty spot on

He isn't a reputable source nowadays for a good reason.

>Btw just so everyone knows, "inverted" is his term for homosexual
no its not, simple context clue and understanding of the meaning of the terms normal use suggests otherwise easily.

Inverted is backwards, different, opposite.

That opening sentence he is saying: There are many types of people with many types of sexual oddities: of those weird abnormal strange backwards sexual oddities: the type that is attracted to children yada yada

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It's uncommon because most peoples' minds don't work that way. Usually the desire would be blown off somewhere or somehow else, but some people become attracted to kids. Certainly another reason or contributing factor is that historically and evolutionarily, 13 year olds were not off limits and the urge still exists to this day.

TL;DR
What did he said?

I also use 13 as the interesting point: some kids are starting highschool at this age, jewish have barmitzvah and consider the beggining of being a man, 3 small years later is 16 and legal age in some states... 3 small years back and is only 10... practically a toddler... maturity process is strange

He's an idiot.
It's because they're young fresh, hot as fuck and their buttholes taste amazing and theres no better feeling than having their little hands wrapped around your cock with them happily sucking away and swallowing all of what theyre given

so you are saying: a rare amount of people have "there is a kid, I would like to have sex with them" (and then we have to have the whole other discussion of your """"affection theory""" where they do... or dont... have sex...) in their head.. """naturally....""" or """not""" ,

i meant to continue by getting to what has been seen 'paedophile acceptence' and such tabloid stuff... is that what you are getting at? just as some people have a natural love for baseball or icecream practically programmed in their head, some people cant help being attracted to children... soo.......?

You can say many negative things about pedophiles, but the truth is that the vast majority never touch or want to touch a child in a perverse way in his life, very few who do/ think to harm a children.

I think many are actually just hypersexuals, the lolis on this board at least. It is an apalling fantasy because sex is not in the least about power, plus the fictitious cliche of filifying something precious and innocent is generally attractive. It still is obscene in a way, though but I think the same fundaments carry something widespread as sadomachosism. Don't forget science already proved that men are generally attracted to underage women.

>the lolis on this board at least
I forgot even a bout that... yes this is likely majority neckbeards "there is 100% absolutely no way I will ever get a date with a real grown big brain girl so I have to fantasize about a simple know nothing easy simple life everything is simple and fun and happy yay child time reverting back to childhood stuff" people

Thinking that pedophiles are unsuccesful and socially inadept persons is a dangerous misconception. I believe it is a stereotype of the average delinquent but then again that are those that are caught. Alot of sexual abuse of children happen by the opportunity that acquitances have

>never touch or want to touch a child in a perverse way in
Never want to touch? You're out of touch with reality.

basically he's saying that rare individuals will fuck anything and fewer still will fuck only kids.

Also it is astonishing that sexual hunger could lead to such use (abuse?) of its object, as it does with such individuals.

So Freud is disinterested in the result of pedophilia and beastiality, but terribly amazed at the compulsion that would lead to such 'abuse.'

that is a good point. So in that case: it could be a man that can get grown up gals, but is just also attracted to younger girls: I mean there is always a mature man obbsession with young women, 20s, 19, 18, sugar daddy, etc. teens section of porn, so in these cases, as with most fetishes, it is a desire for novelty of experience at least in some sense..all that is required is for someone to want, and believe they wont be caught

when you make claims like this, you gotta include percentages and digits of value instead of vague out of ass terms like very few and vast majority, as if you have any idea...

So, how many paedophiles do you think exist?

How do you know this?

How many of them are you sure would never harm a child?

What do you consider the thin line between non harming and harming?

A woman can easily say: I love kids! and be a day care teacher or mom.

What percentage of this total peadophile figure has sexual feelings towards kids?

What percentage are you suggesting has no such feelings, but would just like to be around kids, entirely non sexually... so, be a day care teacher, or teeball coach?

I'm studying to be a psychiatrist, but who knows ... maybe I'm wrong.

I do not have the knowledge of related studies on the subject. My knowledge is only the literature at the moment.

Check this out bro

jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query="pedophilia"&acc=off&wc=on&fc=off&group=none

there is an acceptable appreciation of children: kindergarten teacher, teeball coach..

and there is unacceptable sexual feelings towards children.

Paedophiles are considered the second.

"I dont want to harm a child, I love children! I just want to have sex with them!"


If pedophiles dont want to harm children (which must include no sexual attitudes toward them...sexual attitudes towards children = harm) (want percentage do you reckon...you have to at least guess if you will make such a claim) whats the problem? They just become a day care teacher etc.

Their desire to have sexual relations eith children conflicts with the desire to not harm then. As the human condition dictates that the flesh is the weaker part, children are getting harmed. Disregarding that not all perpetrators of child abuse are actual pedophiles, this is an important but many times too understated phenomenon

My thoughts?
>Cocain - desire - resistance - Oedipus complex ... - fück that, still empty pages...
WtfIsAdhd.pdf
>More Cocain ~ here we go Übermensch

Its not too difficult to understand actually. People have children: people dont want adults or even other children to sexually interact with their children. People dont want other people to be able to have children and sexually interact with them. Its that simple. And most people think those are very valid points.

all of his work is based on conjecture, anyone who uses his studies as solid scientific data would be an idiot.

what freud discovered was similar to how alchemy led to chemistry. his work was bullshit but it set a model for research never done before.

I'm a pedophile and sexually interacting with children can be done without harming them whatsoever.

t. big pharma shill

I bet all of what he said on these topics were not entirely empty:

2.4 The Unconscious
2.5 Dreams
2.6 Psychosexual development
2.7 Id, ego, and super-ego
2.8 Life and death drives
2.9 Melancholia
2.10 Femininity and female sexuality
2.11 Religion

Necrophile spotted

but they are not mature enough to fully understand shame and regret, that if they are led to believe they are doing something they want to be doing as a young child, and then grow up and meet the man of their dreams, and have flashbacks, this would likely happen in many such cases, feeling violated, and taken advantage of. I for one, speaking for my self, by the age of 6 or 7 or 8 maybe even 5, was prepared to have my dick sucked by just about any woman in the world

Well, yeah but

This might be true, but then again there are many more reasons why it shouldnt be allowed. It is a risk measure I agree with that

yep

that just about says it

Essentially the paragraphs talks about people who are sexual anomalies, specifically those with a sexual preference that is considered abnormal, he calls this desire their "sexual object".

He compares these fetishists to pedophiles, stating that in most cases children are not the preferred sexual object of these weak and gutless individuals, more often they are a drastic substitute for the actual sexual object, leaving them victims of impulse and urgent desire.

He goes on to describe the intensity of sexual impulse, namely the depravity and deviation from one's sexual norms it can entail in the most extreme of circumstances, citing sexual relations with animals as an example.