So, what's your style?

Atmospheric, cloudy and with heavy elaborate instrumentation or Raw, edgy with as little effects as possible?

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Techno interests me

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Standard progressive rock (electric guitar, prominent bass, organ, analog-sounding synths, mellotron) with folk and early music elements, like lute, recorders, mandolin, strings, brass, and banjo.

I don't have a lot of random pics, gimme a break
But what's your approach in it?
That sounds fun, But I think a proeminente bass would make it sound a bit messy

Prominent bass is in it does some melodic stuff, not regarding the mixing of it. I'm an engineer in training, I know not to do stupid stuff like that.

I think a good idea for you, since you have such a wide range of instrument choices, would be using another instrument for the low end instead of a bass guitar... Just an idea

i like House and UK Garage varaints

That's already something I do sometimes, like i'll use synthesizer, organ, cello, or trombone sounds in the low end if i'm using the bass for a higher melody part so the frequencies don't get muddy.

What are your influences, since you said standard prog I'm assuming Floyd or Genesis or stuff like that, maybe king crimson?

I don't get the appeal in house music, why do you like it?

For prog, it's Floyd, Moody Blues, early Queen, Crimson, little bit of Yes and early Genesis. For folk it's mostly Simon and Garfunkel. For early music it's mostly Francesco da Milano and John Dowland.

Because you have no groove, no soul.

house is the most ungroovy music there is
disco was bad enough

i get the feeling you just hate fun

haha
but disco was funk for white people basically
house is even worse

a 4 to the floor beat is soulless enough as it is but doing it on a drum machine? come on lad, that ain't soul

before i used a more atmospheric ambient style with some latin influences (chord progressions, arrangements,etc.) heavily inspired by stuff like blade runner and general cyberpunk ambience.
also put some funk influences in some of my later tracks of this style.

then i listened to donuts by j dilla and got inspired to make plunderphonic tracks with non-musical thematic elements, less ambient influences, and more of a hip hop vibe.
hard to make it sound good tho, and im planning on putting it on a ep so i haven't released any tracks in this style yet.

OP agrees with everything this lad says
Wow this is actually a little hard to imagine, would you mind sending me a track? I'm curious

ambient noisy post-rock (slint) mixed with a subtle post-hardcore (orchid, jawbreaker) influence with some jazz and blues rock (doors, steely dan) on acoustic this sounds pretty nice if I keep the fretting to just ninth chords and arpeggiate with some emphasis on bass notes

the former or the latter?

here are some of my former tracks
i was fairly new to production so the mixing is shit
>inb4 soundcloud
>soundcloud.com/bside_of_the_moon/world-disc
>soundcloud.com/bside_of_the_moon/under-the-shoreside-metropolis
>soundcloud.com/bside_of_the_moon/dream-metro
this one dosen't have any funk or latin in it but it pretty much encapsulates my idea of "cyberpunk ambience"
soundcloud.com/bside_of_the_moon/astronaut-of-glass

House is the grooviest form of music there is because everything from its note choices to its selection of timbre to its structure is based on building on very danceable grooves. Disco was made by black people so idk what's "white" about it. Same with house because both are built on more continuous upbeat foundations that's far more "black" than anything if we are to compare rock n roll to how it later got slowed down. Not to mention that funk comparatively is still far more entrenched in pop/RnB cliches. Just because the standard is 4 to the floor doesn't make it soulless due to the interaction of the other parts with that beat which, while not otherwise often possible without electronics, still comes off as organic because of how it changes the various little moving parts. That's the coolest aspect of electronic music to me; that because of how much it is a medium where it's sounds can be controlled to exacting levels that it's actually the most organic form of music out there because the various little controls are all essentially equivalent of the many constantly operating parts of a living thing.
I am trying to work towards a couple things.

It surprises me that nobody in the metal world took further advantage of Burzum's approach to a ton of guitars recorded beside each other like on Filosofem. I want to use that idea to make what I guess I would call microriffing. Like using a ton of guitars that play different things to create one epic riff akin to what classical composer Ligeti has done with his micro polyphony idea. I also would do things electronically. Awful usage of drum machines in the metal genre combined with dumb "metal riffs with shitty EDM" approaches have caused too much of the people in the genre to not see the potential here. Drums that can sound darker and more primitive than anything possible through a standard drumset, cool effects that create new riff styles that's still dark/heavy, etc.

Ran out of space in the other post, but I also have a somewhat guilty pleasure feel for the cheesier dance genres like Italo, Eurodance, Eurobeat, and J-Pop. I want to create something like a mix of a sorts that samples, mashes up, and remixes a large variety of songs in those genres. I really want something that's in between DJ Shadow and that new Neil Cicierga album but with those cheesy dance genres.

There are two more things I am working towards, but they are more personal projects so I don't wanna mention them here.

the beat was deliberately dumbed down from the outset, and many disco producers were latin and white (not that it makes any difference, it was still aimed squarely at a white audience, which it still has)

in fact the whole reason hip hop sprang up was as a reaction to manhattan's co-opting of funk via disco, which was unrelatable for many funk fans (and there was a hint of homophobia in there too, but we won't mention that)

* and also, the fact that you consider a four to the floor beat more danceable than a funk beat says everything, that was the whole point, to make it accessible to people who had no natural funk, and needed a big fucking flag on every beat so they'd know when to move

>dumbed down beat
Not at all. Like, if you can't pay attention to how house does minute beat changes maybe you may feel this way. But this is as far from the truth as possible thanks to house beats not limited by requiring a human to play on drums. The easiest example being on Can You Feel It one of the first house tracks ever where the track builds to a point where there's a straightforward cymbal eighth/sixteenths I forgot which one, then there's a high hat pattern to go along with that which is not as straight forward while there's still a snare going. A human would need three hands to do that shit.
>many were white and latino
So? That doesn't change the fact that disco/house have always had black origins and were mostly at first enjoyed by them. Nothing whitewashed about a genre made by people with a history of rhythm centered music. White people cant into dancing idk if you've ever been out in your life, and this is all music made for dancing.
>hip hop as reaction to manhattan disco
Wtf are you on about? Hip hop was block party music made using techniques focusing on breaks like Jamaican dub cuz Jamaicans did what they did back home but with funk, soul, and disco. Disco was in fact one of the cornerstones of hip hop due to the usage of disco records to create breaks.
>homophobia
What?

show me one example of a hip hop dj playing a disco record

you are one clueless cunt seriously

By this logic, funk is excessively watered down compared to ballet that gives non-existent beat markers to leave the dancing practically entirely up to the dancer. Fuck you're retarded.

Rappers Delight had a disco sample you fucking idiot.

hahaha no it didn't
it had a band playing a cover of good times

and what do you know about sugarhill gang? you know when that record dropped everyone in hip hop dissed it, no one had heard of them rappers they didn't even have a rep, it was literally a manufactured pop record

Mostly rock but also like Jazz, Chillwave, Ambient, House, Eurobeat, Hip Hop

The violin part is from Good Times. Sampled directly

Good Times is a disco track. Sampled (or recreated if you wanna use that they had a real band play it) by SHG, also used by guys like Grandmaster Flash, Beastie Boys, etc.
>and what do you know about sugarhill gang? you know when that record dropped everyone in hip hop dissed it, no one had heard of them rappers they didn't even have a rep, it was literally a manufactured pop record
1. Moving your goalpost and trying to change the subject so you can oh so win an internet argument
2. No it wasn't. The track was released on the Sugar Hill Label, and nobody "dissed" it.

wrong, it was played by the band

funny thing is you could have said grandmaster flash adventures and i would have let you have it
he only ever cut up the break but i would accept it as 'proof', even if flash was second wave really

you shoud read interviews with melle mel and all them
in fact only reason they went in the studio was that record, no one was even ready for a rap record, no one thought rap should even be on records
sylvia was a business genius though, and the rest is history

There's no strings credit on the record you numbnuts. He's talking about the violin.
This sounds more like hip hop's shallow take on muh street crowd than it does having to do anything with the music.

*muh street cred

rappers were never really intended to be front and centre, not the stars of the show, their job originally was just to keep things hyped up for the dj - but you probably already know that

so when that record came out most rappers were like
a) wtf is this shit, a fucking 'rap record' lmao
2) why the fuck are they rapping over this wack disco beat

melle mel did the exact same thing to duke bootee when he heard the message, he almost didn't agree to rap on it because to him it was 'the wrong kind of music'

Find me a citation where they are mad that it's a disco beat though. That's the real crux of your argument. The rest can be easily found about rappers being lay main hype MCs and there being a "rap record". You're veering very off topic here. Take your ADHD meds and let's bring this back to disco, preferably house as that's the superior genre.

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i never made any argument about shg, you tried to use them as an example of a hip hop/disco xover
there are like 4 or 5 disco breaks used in hip hop and a million funk records, some rock records, some european synth records
but as a whole the scene happened mostly because kids in the bronx had no money, couldn't afford manhattan clubs, and liked uprocking to funk more than dancing to disco with a bunch of gay dudes

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>i never made any argument about shg, you tried to use them as an example of a hip hop/disco xover
Because you tried to make an argument about how much hip hop apparently was against disco and a counterreaction. I posted with an example of one of the most well known sample/recreations in the genre.
>there are like 4 or 5 disco breaks used in hip hop
Here's a list of hundreds of them. whosampled.com/song-tag/Disco/sampled/
>but as a whole the scene happened mostly because kids in the bronx had no money, couldn't afford manhattan clubs, and liked uprocking to funk more than dancing to disco with a bunch of gay dudes
No it didn't. It happened because the local scene was highly influenced by Jamaicans like DJ Kool Herc who used their approach towards dub and dancehall music but towards American forms of music. Again, you are still veering off topic because none of this has helped you at all make your argument of disco and house being watered down awful genres you claim they are. Like, fuck you dude. This was a topic about how people would like to approach their music, and you made it into an autistic hate crusade about something you don't personally like.

it was very much a reaction, but it happened at the exact same time, funk was getting cleaned up and mainstreamed and so an underground formed alongside it
it's like 2 sides of the same coin

while hip hop kept the more varied drum patterns for the more experienced audience, disco refined it and commercialised it into a straight 4/4

Someone was so upset over anime reaction images that they took their precious time to make this

The music I make uses a lot of natural sounds acoustic instruments punctuated by fuzzed out or reverberated electric guitar. I like to write swirling disorienting songs.

>funk was getting cleaned up and mainstreamed
Funk was already mainstream as fuck wtf are you talking about?
>while hip hop kept the more varied drum patterns for the more experienced audience, disco refined it and commercialised it into a straight 4/4
This is disingenuous as fuck considering that hip hop beats practically never really change from what you hear in the beginning (until it either got pop influence to add choruses/bridges in there or it took from genres like house, techno, electro, etc. to learn to build its grooves but still not to the level of those genres). The first minute of Good Times alone for example changes its drums three times despite sticking to a "straight" 4/4 beat.

>doesn't know that it's a counter image to similar images made by anime posters justifying their pitiful existence outside weeb boards

aye ok we can talk about that
the thing with 4/4 kicks is they're there purely as a guide, and some people need more guidance than others, would you agree?

neither of these
raw focused and penetrating

I just see 4/4 kicks as a way to create a foundation on which to create all sorts of things on top of for dance music genres. There's nothing wrong with "guidance" as it means that what you're looking for is actually there. I already used the ballet example to show why this concept of guidance doesn't actually make sense at all because it means that the best dance music is music not designed for it at all, so not even ballets the best would be like Bach Fugues or something. To me the 4/4 kicks is highly versatile because unlike other genres where everything has to conform to each other, creating more restrictive cliche rhythms (ex. stuff with more exciting base rhythms like Tango or Salsa) you can do all sorts of syncopation on top of the 4/4 beat.

That way you get something like this track where there's a 4/4 to floor kick going the whole time, but it offers so many changes on the top that it manages to be more rhythmically interesting than something with a more complex rhythmic base like Tango.

youtu.be/w2X-j9nygxk

to be honest you're preaching to the converted my shit is armando and a guy called gerald, i loibe the latin interaction with the 4/4
and i totally get it, but at the same time there is so much bad house, so much, that i feel like people should drop it now

and the other big problem with house is its been around for fucking ages
like originally that golden stretch from 88 until 93 had like 5 different genres within it, but the last 5 years has just been house house house
like fuck off do something else you cunts

Raw, rustic, crude, primitive, simple, rigid, unpretentious, earthy, uneducated, ragged, structured, coarse, unsophisticated, oblivious, basic, under-produced, not self-aware.

Basically I like old-fashioned rock 'n' roll/country/blues, or music influenced by those styles. I'm not interested in stuff that's dreamy/atmospheric/ethereal or electronic.

Why the fuck am I even on this board?

I definitely do agree. Too much house out there that's either copying something better from 90s/2000s or is doing that mainstream electro/big room stuff that I can't give a rat's ass about. That being said I think there's still some potential left in at least some of the microhouse guys.

yeah
i guess i was railing a bit there, i don't really mind 4/4 if it's done well, and there are enough ways to do it well
like i was biting my tongue when you mentioned can u feel it cos fingers is just a fucking master at it

but it's also sort of deceptive, like a lot of these modular guys who make techno now have this sort of basic view of it, and they make a lot of stuff with no funk or sort of understanding of it, to them it's enough just to get a pulse going, they think that's all it is

i'd definitely be happier to hear any other rhythm pattern rn though
like i got really excited about batida but it just didn't catch on

>like a lot of these modular guys who make techno now have this sort of basic view of it, and they make a lot of stuff with no funk or sort of understanding of it
It's why I personally started appreciating older detroit techno so much more because it's not just cold tiny sounds, but that funk/soul aspect that also balances the package out well imo.
>i'd definitely be happier to hear any other rhythm pattern rn though
The only stuff from this year on my playlist with the rhythm pattern is the new Ulver and that new Floating Points track. Like, I feel somewhat similarly, too and it probs played a part in me absolutely loving the new Iglooghost and Jlin records.

keep hearing good things about that jlin, gonna check it

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