Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding

>Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding

tfw the league of shadows were the good guys and Batman was the bad guy the whole time

True. If Batman became known for actually killing criminals instead of just beating them up, there would be far less of them and they would fear him way more.

>refuse to kill a convicted chink murderer
>instead kill dozens of your friends who freed you from a third world prison, gave you shelter accepted you into their circle and trained you in the most skilled martial arts and blow up their temple

what did bruce wayne mean by this?

>crime cannot be tolerated
>being tied to low level moral thinking

genuinely good question

bumping for a good answer

There are no such things as good or bad guys.

Also it's more or less guaranteed that guy died anyway, since even if he managed to escape that burning building with his hands tied behind his back, he was still stuck on a cold desolate mountain side in the middle of nowhere.

This is why Punisher is the best hero and he's one of the few that would actually get the job done.

Notice that crime has been basically eliminated in places like Singapore that have ridiculously harsh punishments.

>Crime is bad. So we're going to use a super-microwave to send fear gas through out Gotham... To, um, scare people.
What did Raysh mean by this?

I agree. Every crime should carry the death penalty. Eventually we'll have completely eliminated bad behavior from the gene pool, and society will be perfect.

Wat? He was a local. There was literally a town right outside.

But, yeah, he dead.

>the indulgence of society's understanding
What does this mean?

Tragedy of the commons.

>Every crime should carry the death penalty.

Almost all violent crime involving adults should.

>It's a crime to "misgender" someone or use the wrong pronouns
>Excuse me, xir, what did you just say to xee?

>There was literally a town right outside.
The town that handed him over to the League of Shadows so they'd kill him for them? I forget it was that close, but yeah, that's a sure good place to return to.

>But, yeah, he dead.
Yes, but because Batman didn't DIRECTLY kill him, just like didn't DIRECTLY kill the dozens of people who probably died in that fire, he's morally blameless! Just like how if you beat the shit out of someone and leave them on a crashing train, it's not killing them somehow!

>let's all kill people all the fucking time that way we will eliminate violent behavior

Make this man the president.

Singapore doesn't have the death penalty for "everything"

They have the death penalty for murder (including an act of kidnapping, robbery or piracy that inadvertently results in a death), treason, drug trafficking and gun trafficking.

In 2007 they took rape off the list of death penalty offenses.

"Treason" seems super ambiguous.
Like what if I post on Facebook how much love Chinese food?
Treason?
Could be

okay what does that mean?

Batman doesn't kill because it's the only thing that allows him to keep the past shred of sanity he has left. People forget that Batman doesn't kill out of some respect for human life but because he doesn't want to take that final step into insanity

>"Treason" seems super ambiguous.
Their legal code defines it as "Waging war against Singapore or planning or supporting an offense against the person or sovereignty of the President."

That's not illegal shitposting, that's literally going out and buying a rifle to shoot at the President with.

I guess the meaning was that Bruce refused to directly take someone's life so simply, to be the executioner. He engages a fight and the whole building burns down, and people probably died, but it's not the same as cutting a prisoner's head off. Not very good thinking on Bruce's part but it shows him trying to stand by his ideals.

>T. Socialist retard

>it's a "Sup Forums identifies with the bad guy and doesn't see the problem with that" episode

You don't need the death penalty for everything but you need extremely harsh penalties that scare people.

Make prisons extremely unpleasant and not resorts for gang members. Cane people and make them do hard labor all day every day. Jamal needs to fear prison and what the law will do to him.

Imagine like society is everyone pushing a heavy boulder up hill.
So long as the boulder is moving upward, everyone is happy.
Since there are so many people pushing this boulder, it's ok for a few people to stop because their lack of effort is inconsequential compared to the whole.

But if too many people stop pushing the boulder, it rolls backwards and crushes everyone.

It means it's ok for a few people to do something but if everyone does it, things fall apart.

Criminals are like the people who stop pushing
It's only profitable for them to do it if most people are trusting.

>Kill a convicted chink murderer
OR
>Kill a convicted chink murderer and also dozens of chink murderers who will never be convicted because of their above-the-law secret cult

Sympathy for criminals because they had a "hard life" or because they were "discriminated against" or because the punishment violates their "human rights"

Is that why Norway and Denmark are heavens on earth compared to USA?

>killing someone means you're insane

Haha okay buddy

No, it isn't.

Childhood is idolizing Batman. Adulthood is realizing the league of shadows makes more sense.

Almost seems like unpleasant prisons and harsh sentences aren't working out then.

Law is imperfect. There are too many gray areas in crime and law to be killing people over every crime.

Both of those places are irrelevant shit holes and their existence depends entirely on the generosity of the USA.

SHUT UP, WESLEY

Batman's rogues are notorious for suffering from a psychological disorder of some sort, it's a theme. Every villain Batman fights is a reminder how fragile his sanity is and killing is a benchmark of their paychosis

Having blacks in their country isn't working out for them.

America has known it for 300 years and Britain/Sweden/etc. are rapidly learning it.

It's the same reason socialism "works" in Scandinavia. You could make just about anything "work" if you applied enough driven, educated white people to it.

It's more that blacks don't actually mind going to prison in the US. If we executed the violent adult criminals the problem would and quickly.

I thought Begins was the weakest of the three films but Liam was brilliant in it

>heaven
yeah, for criminals

Why should Singapore have harsh punishments then? They don't have blacks.

Last I checked USA still had death penalty and it isn't exactly slowing your criminals down.

The majority of violent crime these days is caught on video with what amounts to indisputable evidence. In these cases the criminals should be summarily executed.

how bout i kill you? *unzips chainsaw and charges!*

>The majority of violent crime these days is caught on video
No, that's not true.

What I like about Begins is that it still has some of the corniness of late 90s/early 2000s movies. I mean Batman's suit is rubbery as shit, he says shit like "I'M BATMAN... nice coat" and he has that fucking periscope he uses to peek over a building. It's really a pretty goofy film. Oh and at one point he just flies completely unassisted and lifts a guy with him. Then in TDK and TDKR it's just a completely different atmosphere where everything is very serious and grounded.

>Why should Singapore have harsh punishments then? They don't have blacks.
They don't really have whites, either. They have a system that works for them.

Maybe a draconian system keeps Asians in line and harmonious, a more permissive system rehabilitates and calms whites, and there is no system whatsoever that will ever make a black population into functional citizens anywhere because they have a median IQ in the 80s and extraordinarily poor long-term judgement skills plus very low violence thresholds.

But it sucks to admit that because there's over a billion of them right now and there will be four billion of them by midcentury.

>Last I checked USA still had death penalty and it isn't exactly slowing your criminals down.

Most states don't have it and the states that do don't use it nearly enough. The violent crime rate is significantly lower in states with it though.

Yes it is. Almost everything you do outside of your house in all major American cities is caught on video.

A place where there's taxes on everything down to toilet paper, everyone lives a mediocre existence due to said taxation and retards like you sing the praises because of all the "free" shit

Singaporean laws are an anomaly among developed Asian countries and South Korea is both safer and has less crime.

No laws seem to work among blacks anywhere which makes the argument "b-but harsh punishments" just stupid.

USA taxes groceries too and Denmark is literally the happiest place on Earth you fucking retard.

>"b-but harsh punishments" just stupid.

Not really. They either reform or there's significantly less of them because of all the executions. Win for society either way.

Well that might be true, but you didn't say you were talking about america

liam neeson ras al ghul took on batman in full armor suit with his bare hands. i guess thats why he was the leader of the league of shadows

and also before the train crashed, he closed his eyes and accepted his fate -- what a badass

Punisher is based, but he's also mentally unhinged. Its funny to see how both he and bruce wayne have had similar tragedies, yet because of how much killing Punisher has done, hes fucking mental as a result. He knows hes not a good guy, or deserves to be a hero. he even knows hes going straight to hell when he dies, but he does what he does anyways because he knows how the system is.

Not to mention that all death penalty convictions have automatic appeals that are mandatory to go through before the sentence is carried out

Retard, there's no taxes on food unless it's been cooked and served to you and Denmark has some of the highest rates of people on anti depressants. Eat shit liberal fuck

I hope Trump trades Denmark to the Russians. We'll see how happy the little weaklings are then.

Of course. If you're gonna be a criminal anyways, might as well take the time to put them out for good.

This is an example of this dilemma (which is quite common in movie/video game plots):

>Wanting to tear down and destroy the corrupt and decadent society that allows criminals and weakness to thrive, and build it back up into something good, strong, and honorable. This view believes that the world is built from the bottom up--every segment of society must be purged to start anew. Innocent people will be killed, but there is no way around this.

>Believing in the inherent good in people, and wanting to selectively take out bad people in society, especially at the top. Believes society is built from the top down--if we restore society in certain places, everything will gradually heal. It is evil and unnecessary to kill some innocent people to tear down the system.

Batman is of course the 2nd view. For example in Batman Begins he says to Ra's al Ghul "There are good people here [in Gotham]." A lot could be written, and has been written about this.

It's possible that some of the writers actually agree with the message of the villains, but are forced to make it the "bad guy" philosophy because it's not acceptable in today's society to suggest that most people are decadent and the system should be torn down. But what some of them may be doing involves Law 38 of the 48 Laws of Power--Think As You Like, But Behave Like Others. They use the villains as a mouthpiece for their own philosophy to avoid accusations of being in favor of it, but the villains' message is articulated well enough to resonate with some people.

One other example of this dilemma:

In Splinter Cell: Double Agent, the villain is a guy who believes that the government and society are decadent and corrupt, and wants to bomb several large cities to help tear down society and build it back from the bottom up. There's a very similar plot idea in Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (Douglas Shetland is the villain, and he articulates this worldview very articulately before you, the player, kill him.)

Good post.
Here's what I'd say: View 2 is better because in general, human life is something to protect and preserve.

>tfw Bane did nothing wrong

Every great civilization is started by those that believe the first view and is slowly eroded and inevitably destroyed by weaklings that believe 2. Criminality and weakness needs to mercilessly be crushed for a great civilization to survive.

Now the question is "why is human life something to protect and preserve?" We have to get to the bottom.

The first view saves far more lives in the long run.

But you cannot predict the future.
You cannot take the risk of killing innocent people just so that more _may_ be saved in the future.

>Global

Fuck off.

If you apply the death penalty to people with multiple felony/crime records it would work. Apply it when you're 110% sure for murderers as there is a risk of killing an innocent. A multiple felony person will never be innocent.

I mean the whole point of batman begins is that the league of shadows is right about 95% of their ideology but their last 5% is straight up murder, making it difficult to have a moral outcome usually

>Mediocre existence

You've never been to Norway have you? It's pretty much utopia