Hey b just a quick question: if sex and attraction are a natural thing, why do so many people brag about it? It's kind of like bragging about some dank food you ate and holding it over someone's head.
>Damn you goims I drank some real tasty ass water today. I bet u guys don't drink that drank quite like I do.
>Bases entire identity off of it.
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probably because you don't have to court your food for 1-2 years before you eat it
You have to court a girl for one to two years to have sex with her? That sounds a bit like an exaggeration.
Because not everyone get to enjoy it. Some are better than other ect ect. This is basic fuckologicy dude.
because its the only natural process left in 1st world countries that isn't a sure thing to succeed at
>1-2 years
cringe
if it takes you 1-2 years to get laid youre a fucking flop kys
Dude I always brag whenever I get some amazing food
You people are degenerate. Sex before marriage statistically reduces the chance of succsess for the marriage. Without a healthy family unit, society would crumble. You are just giving in to feminism by destroying traditions that have caused the west to exist.
This chick looks so much like a girl I know.
If you know, is her name Rachael?
Aaah Sup Forums, always asking the simple questions. I like your picture, so here's a presentation that answers your question in ways you didn't even know were part of it. Copy the link, it's a short series of presentations.
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Who said anything about marriage? You sound like a master level cuck.
>Without a healthy family unit, society would crumble.
Without people doing the jobs that most don't want to or are severely unqualified to do, society would crumble.
Believing that marriage is anything more than just a game is foolish.
Name that one successful society that didn't have a concept of marriage.
The ultimate cuck
You're inserting an irrelevant idea into a discussion because you're too cucked to see that marriage doesn't matter, and you're salty that people go out and fuck without strings attached while you get no pussy.
A society's "success" is influenced by, but is not entirely dependent on marriage. Marriage has nothing to do with infrastructure, the military, or politics. Marriage doesn't only influence societies in positive ways. Depending on your perspective, marriage is an absolute detriment across all fronts.
I can name several societies that accepted the concept of marriage that you wouldn't want to go anywhere near, much less call successful.
Ok, but name a society that did NOT have a concept of marriage?
I already tossed your argument, user. Read carefully. The success of a society, being that the society is safe, prosperous and has an otherwise mostly positive environment, is not solely dependent on the acceptance of marriage.
>Sex before marriage statistically reduces the chance of succsess for the marriage.
Correlation =/= causation
It's mostly Sup Forumstards bragging about it. Like its a contest. It's pathetic, really.
If that is true, you should be able to mention at least ONE INSTANCE of a safe, prosperous and an otherwise mostly positive environment creating society that didn't have long term monogamy at its core. You make the claim, you should be able to mention just one society. One is all I ask for, in the entire history of humanity.
Define crumble.
Are we talking riots in the streets? Are we talking stock market crashing? Everyone failing to do their jobs?
Seriously, what would happen?
Venezuela, South Africa.
More of that hot girl.
People who brag have nothing else to be proud of. I mean, if you manage to have sex for over 4 hours straight and give the girl 21 orgasms then you should get to brag. That’s sort of like making an amazing meal. But ordinary 5 minute quicky sex is sort of like making and eating canned spaghetti. No matter how fancy the brand is, it’s nothing to brag about. Hookers are like eating out.
Not gonna lie I agree with this guy, don't know why he's avoiding doing something as simple as giving an example.
Well I think historically marriage and religion are pretty heavily correlated, and I can’t think of any country or society that’s very old that has had zero religion.
If anything, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I see no reason why marriage would influence a society’s success— we just haven’t had the chance to see that yet.
That's not causation
There isn’t one really, but that doesn’t mean we need monogamy, it just means that we don’t know.
Hell I can’t name a country ever that hasn’t had some religious influence. We’d have to see one to know for sure.
What do you mean? Africa exists. Detroit has a single motherhood rate of 90%. We can see that an increase in single motherhood has a 1:1 correlation to societal cohesion. I don't even understand how you can possibly separate monogamy from having a society, because kids believe whatever their parents teach them when they are young. Without a massive government to steal resources to pay for single women to have children, how would they even survive pregnancy? You can't work when you're taking care of a child for several years.
Africa has religion. You idiot.
This is a disingenuous question. If you're asking, you're likely trying hard to come across as not being upset about not getting any sex or as much sex as you'd like.
So what? They for the most part don't have monogamy so their societies fail.
Let me debunk that logical error going on in your head real quick.
Since there are an endless amount of factors at play in any given society, the success of it can't be attributed to a single factor. There will always be a large amount of variables that effect its success.
I'm sure it would come as a surprise to you to know that before marriage, societies operated to survive just as we do now, and they did, without having the desire to label themselves as husband and wife.
Marriage is a LEGAL agreement between individuals that should have nothing to do with the love they feel, intimacy and loyalty. Marriage is something we thought up to present the illusion of a more loyal, solid relationship. In reality, it's only just paperwork.
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Traditional marriage internationally was 1 man with multiple wives. How is 1 man 1 wife tradition?
>Africa exists
Africa has a ton of Christian-majority nations lol.
>made up stat about Detroit and single mothers
Dude you cannot honestly believe the numbers you’re saying right now can you?
How do you define and measure ‘societal cohesion’ anyway?
Most societies didn’t have monogamy. You idiot. That’s some recent shit.
people do do this shit. ever heard of a foodie? they are retards that go on and on and on about whatever "interesting" food they ate and you didn't. they post tons of photos on social media about it as well. so that whole thing actually happens a lot
That's just wrong. Wolves form long term monogamous bonds to raise the young. Raising a human being properly takes well over a decade to do properly. I don't know how you can suggest that pump and dump can be a viable substitute for that. Marriage is just what we call long term monogamous relationships, which comes straight from genetics. It's not a social construct like language.
You're right, I was aiming too low in my memory. Sorry.
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Still extremely curious about how you define and measure ‘societal cohesion’.
> I was aiming too low in my memory
you were also aiming too low in your knowledge of the english language because "aiming too low in my memory" is not an actual thing. you just mangled up a bunch of words incorrectly
If there's no reason to respect each other's property, and we're in a state of kill or be killed at all times, there will be a lot of crime. Crime causes poverty, so crime is a pretty good indicator of societal cohesion. Happy people don't feel the need to commit crimes, or rather it's impossible for them because they empathize with their victims, which is something you really need to beat out of a child.
I like how you're ignoring the data that proves he's not lying.
>ctrl-f Detroit, zero matches
Alright I’m gonna go to the gym lol you’re just spewing nonsense because you’re mad and I say this seriously, pretty dumb.
Please be a little more critical of the hearsay you repeat in the future... we’d all benefit from it.
Genetics has nothing to do with marriage. You're trying to equate biological imperative to an idea we came up with to try to get people to stay together.
Do wolves get married? No, they stay together and work as a team to survive. This has nothing to do with marriage, and through your own example you should understand where I'm coming from. Raising a human being properly has nothing to do with being married, and I never suggested that pump and dump could be a viable substitute for that. Your reading comprehension if off.
The issue with pump and dump isn't the lack of being in a marriage, it's the fact that people make stupid decisions and bring children into this world unprepared financially and emotionally. It's not an issue of being unmarried. People think that relationships don't matter if they're not married, which is false. You can live together and raise a child without being married, just as wolves do, and succeed as such too.
People do brag about eating fancy food you dumb cunt.
No, you're right. That was for the entirety of America. These are the numbers for Detroit specifically. drawingdetroit.com
My bad, I forgot halfway through what I was looking for I think.
Also, what the fuck? You're really saying that marriage isn't a societal construct and that we're literally born with natural instincts urging us to get married? Listen to yourself.
So what do you think marriage is, if not a long term monogamous relationship? Just because the government decided to charge you money to engage in this activity, doesn't mean that the definition or the concept changed.
For all of the virgins in this thread who always wonder how everyone else knows they're a virgin...
It's called r/K selection theory and it's been settled science for decades. Don't believe me, please, read up on it for yourself and form your own opinion. Maybe I am full of shit, you can only verify it for yourself.
Marriage is a construct of society. A long term monogamous relationship and marriage are not one and the same. You can have a long term monogamous relationship without being married. In a marriage, it by American society's definition, it SHOULD be monogamous but that's not always the case.
Married people cheat on one another, hate each other and stay married because there's too much LEGAL bullshit involved in a divorce.
There are many different interpretations and customs among the many societies on Earth. If marriage was an instinct built into our biology, we'd all be on the same track. People pick and choose which ideas to accept because they're not facts, they're just concepts.
You can't logically argue that marriage is objectively true, and exists as a tangible factor in reality. It exists only in our heads, and for as long as we're here, that's as far as it'll go.
You are full of shit.
A partnership that may or may not include sexual monogamy. Financial partnership and joint responsibility for raising kids. You could fuck a bunch of other people and still raise some kids successfully
ec tetera?
Nope, that's exactly what r/K selection theory describes, why some groups are monogamous and why others are not.
I've already linked you the short version, here's a more complete explanation of it: youtube.com
Then how does the man know the kids are his?
Cause cumming inside a hole is better than feeling filthy.
Fuck your theory. Don't refer to some bullshit you saw on youtube to try to prove an illogical concept.
I already explained why people understand marriage differently. It's similar to why people get religion differently. They're ideas conjured up in the mind and believed or practiced to a certain extent. Marriage itself has nothing to do with what exists physically. You think people are just born understanding the concept of marriage? Wake up dude.
Ah, so you have an emotional reason for why you reject logic, evidence and science altogether. Probably something with your own parents. I'll leave you to that. Surely a random stranger contradicting what your parents said means that the random stranger who will never speak to you again has more reason to lie to you than your parents. It's not like your parents benefit from not telling you the truth, right?
>Ah, so you have an emotional reason
Nice b8. So, I'll take all that bullshit as, "I know I'm dumb and illogical user and I'll focus on critical thinking and reading comprehension so that I don't make a fool of myself on an anonymous board again."
Let's just be clear, this does happen. And this water is fucking amazing
Right bro, enjoy your denial of factual reality while ignoring all the arguments and all the data and all the evidence. Surely that will result in you having a happy relationship and not replicating exactly what your parents did wrong.
>all the arguments and all the data and all the evidence
>youtube
>implying I want a relationship
Enjoy your ignorant, blissful "reality." When you're washed up and divorced you'll probably double back and make all the same mistakes again anyway.
Some people are just wastes of flesh.
You could watch youtube.com
Then why do rich people embezzle money?
Because it's tempting to take that money and run when you're in charge of so much of it, I suppose. That's why I'm against a coercive agency that can just take people's money, that sounds like it'll just attract the worst people who want such positions of power.
Nah, I'm gonna go drop a tab of acid right now and probably think back to this conversation and laugh. Your entire line of thinking is wrong and I hope you come out of the trance soon.
You see, you keep repeating that over and over, but if you're so sure I'm wrong, then it really shouldn't harm you to look into the subject for 5 minutes. I don't understand this resistance to challenging your worldviews. Maybe I am wrong and you can show me where. Just repeating that I'm wrong without telling me how I'm wrong won't change my mind.
Unironically killnyourself.
It usually takes me less than a full date. If you get a girl hornet enough she will have sexy with you.
Nah, you just go after trash women. That's why you aren't in a happy long term relationship and you won't ever be if you keep chasing trash women. Fucking a guy on the first date is a massive sign of insecurity and it's something only women who have nothing else to offer would do.
Can you name one instance of marriage being truly fundementally REQUIRED for a society to funtion?
Pro tip: you cant.
Those countrys have marriage though, how did this happen?
I’m getting married in July. I’ve been with the same woman for 7 years. It took me one date to hook her on my cock. By the end of the movie I had her going down on me in the bathroom. I’ve never had a date go well and end dry.
OP, your issue with understanding things like so many people on Sup Forums is autism. Forgive me.
Because capitalism requires the division of the working class into mutually hostile segments based on trivial distinctions in order to keep the workers subjugated, and capital owns the major media outlets and therefore fills our minds with these individualistic notions that we come to believe define us.
Yeah, I'm sure the woman who fucked you on the first date is going to be very loyal to you, in sickness and in health
because not everyone can get it. guys usually have much harder time getting laid because females always have a variety of potential partners to choose from.
In SA they were flooded with millions of niggers, in venezuela people abandoned marriage in favor of socialism.
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