Are there any artists that you feel critics got wrong? I mean, are there any critically praised artists that you feel shouldn't have been and critically panned artists that shouldn't have been?
One example are Vanilla Fudge--back in the day, they were accused of tasteless bombast and are today written off as a cheesy artifact of the counterculture era. They never got their critical due for being the first band to use those long symphonic instrumental intros employed so extensively in later years by Yes, King Crimson, ELP, Deep Purple, Kansas, and others, and therefore being a seminal influence on prog (which critics hate anyway, but that's aside the point)
Radiohead,derivative and overrated. Like him or nor Scaruffi was right about them.
Carter Clark
Every critic got ITAOTS wrong. P4k gave them a 8.6 Fantano almost didn’t consider it a classic because “memes” (not joking) Christgau gave it a frownie face Scaruffi gave it a 7.5
One of the greatest albums ever made, and it’s completely panned.
Ryder Wright
Depeche Mode never got a lot of love. For whatever reason, their sense of humor completely went over most critics' heads.
Jaxon Young
LMAO
Ryan Perez
As a prog fan, I always got so tired of the revisionist history put out by Christgau et al that it was nothing but cheeseball Tolkien/D&D shit and we should all thank punk rock for saving us from it.
Jordan Gomez
7.5 is a great score though
Charles Edwards
Eh, there’s a ton of albums that Scaruffi has rated higher that aren’t nearly as realized or well made.
Angel Evans
Judas Priest, another case of a band where critics didn't get their sense of humor or subversiveness (Rob Halford introducing white suburban teen America to leather daddyculture which barely anyone knew about back then)
Jordan Hall
this. often these kinds of criticisms don't even bother to see the diversity of the genre in it's heyday and various offshoots, or even consider the fact that there was actually a fair bit of crossover between "hip" stuff and some of the smarter prog rock folks like Peter Gabriel, Robert Fripp, Robert Wyatt, Fred Frith etc
Mason Lee
Sringsteen sucks. Guy has a career spanning 30+ years with only 5 songs worth listening to.
Mason Collins
And even with the five good songs he had, you still have to hear him singing (I use that term very loosely here).
Cooper Collins
Glory Days is a perfect example of his wonderful “singing”
Easton Cooper
I always say fuck what the critics think, the best way to judge an artist is how many artists they influenced and how many trends they set.
A lot of bands who were massively influential (like Sabbath and Priest) were critical punching bags back in the day. At the same time, there's other bands like Journey and Styx who are jokes and rightfully so. Not only did critics shit on them, I defy anyone to find a an artist who cites them as an influence.
Jace Gonzalez
Scruffy is a total jackass. >"cop" and "filth" are way better than "to be kind" and "the seer" fuck off
Nathaniel Baker
The Moody Blues were also shit on by critics despite being among the founding fathers of prog.
Alexander Powell
I always felt the problem with the Moody Blues is that they were just kind of these spaced-out hippies who sang about stuff they saw on acid and had no politics or edge to them. Plus they didn't have a standout personality like a Lennon or a Jagger and in the 60s-70s, the whole "gonzo guy" thing was what critics went for.
Lucas Adams
The OP pic is so annoying, you faggots know how to start an annoying thread.
Austin Nguyen
Uh, Rush?
Owen Flores
Grand Funk Railroad obviously.
Aaron Roberts
"Neil Young devotees will probably spend the next few weeks trying desperately to convince themselves that After the Gold Rush is good music. But they'll be kidding themselves. For despite the fact that the album contains some potentially first rate material, none of the songs here rise above the uniformly dull surface." Langdon Winner – Rolling Stone, October 1970
Brody Watson
Lester Bangs's initial review of Exile on Main Street (that he later retracted) was pretty harsh.
Joseph Edwards
Some of Rolling Stone's most famous reviews are those that trashed albums that later became massively popular. Their Led Zeppelin reviews are classics. They ran a very negative review of Abbey Road (alongside a positive one by Mendohlson that is still on the website), that started something like "Eeeck, it's the Beatles" and compared them to the Bee Gees. There was the review of Ram that called it the nadir in the degeneration of 60's rock. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road was the huge fruit pie that doesn't bake.
But how about giving Rolling Stone some credit for nailing a review. Remember David Fricke's review of Back in Black? AC/DC were never critics' favorites, and I was never a huge fan of heavy metal, but Fricke's review was so enthusiastic - the apex of heavy metal art, he said - that I had to try it. 40 million albums sold later, it's clear he was dead on.
"While the accidental death of singer Bon Scott last February was undoubtedly a big blow to AC/DC, Scott's untimely demise seems to have lit a roaring fire under this Australian band. Back in Black is not only the best of AC/DC's six American albums, it's the apex of heavy-metal art: the first LP since Led Zeppelin II that captures all the blood, sweat and arrogance of the genre. In other words, Back in Black kicks like a mutha."
Juan Jackson
>prog rock folks like Peter Gabriel Peter Gabriel is adult contemporary, user.
Jeremiah Peterson
Critics have a lot of albums to review and have to work under time pressure, so they often can't absorb the music properly. It's not as easy of a job as you think. Remember how Christgau had revised some reviews in his Consumer Guide series from the original ones he wrote back when the album came out.
Michael Perez
This thread is a pile of retardation anyway. An album review can't be "wrong", it's an expression of someone's subjective aesthetic judgement. Do you disagree with the RSM reviewer who said that Led Zeppelin were a loud, stupid carnival show with fake whiteboy blues songs? Some of us find that opinion extremely true.
James Richardson
At what point did you stop taking RSM seriously?
Eli Ward
>the apex of heavy metal art, he said - that I had to try it. 40 million albums sold later, it's clear he was dead on. >sales makes something the apex of heavy metal No thanks
Jaxson Rodriguez
Not true btw
Christian Rodriguez
I didn't think someone could be so objectively wrong
Jeremiah Morris
He's right though
David Fisher
All of them. This type of music critics is useless.
Cameron Rivera
AC/DC are hard rock anyway, I wouldn't call them a "metal" band even though they had a lot of crossover with the metal audience.
Isaac Long
Lol Rolling Stone is the downright worst music publication, nobody takes them seriously except for out-of-touch dads who don't want to hear anything except "Dark Side of the Moon is the greatest album of all time"
Gabriel Ortiz
this
only thing they spawn is waves of followers thinking of them as the head of some sort of cult/religion. it is a bit sad though, as people clearly will always need someone to tell them what to like in order to fit in to a certain grouping or category.
Liam Sanders
>5 stars
Luis Gutierrez
Galaxie 500 - On Fire Zappa - Burnt Weenie Sandwhich, Weasels Ripped My Flesh, Uncle Meat Beefheart - Safe As Milk, The Mirror Man Sessions The Doors - Strange Days Nick Cave - From Her to Eternity, The Firstborn Is Dead Codeine - Frigid Stars TVU - TVU&N Nico - Chelsea Girl Bruce Springsteen - The River Swans - Children of God, Cop, Filth Fugazi - Repeater Pere Ubu - New Picnic Time Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced
I think there are way more, but this is a list I think is hard to argue in favor of over ITAOTS.
Ryan Thomas
>yfw Keith Richards's opinion on this album was far closer to the truth
Jason White
Yeh but there's a big difference between a band like Zeppelin that critics totally dropped the ball on versus a band like Bon Jovi that have always been a joke not taken seriously either by critics or people with a serious interest in music.
Ryan Sanders
you have to credit them for consistency on panning every Queen album, but they ended up being heavily on the wrong side of rock history there
Christian Martinez
How is a 8.6 "completely panned"? Are you autistic
Eli Clark
Queen were near-universally loathed by critics though.
Luis Morales
>it's hard to argue that vu&nico and are you experienced are better than itaots
Jonathan Gutierrez
Devo were one of the best and most groundbreaking new wave/post-punk bands of their time but because they had a weird sense of humor critics dismissed them as a mere novelty act. They should be as praised as the Talking Heads.
Jacob Phillips
Devo had the problem of pissing off the media in a big way by refusing to give straight answers in interviews and going off on weird tangents/discussing conspiracy theories. Journalists really didn't like their evasive, wise-ass attitude. One British publication called them "goose-stepping proto-fascists" although their songs were actually warning in a way of a global corporate syndicate stamping out individuality and turning us into 1984.
Sometimes Christgau can be pretty prescient and he also wasn't retarded enough to give GITD a good rating.
Adrian Gutierrez
It's too bad because Richie Sambora is an excellent guitarist. Too bad he wasted his talent with that garbage band.
Justin Stewart
Even Lester Bangs eventually warmed to Black Sabbath.
Blake Morgan
Goddess in the Doorway isn't actually that terrible, but it's certainly not deserving of 5 stars.
Jordan Thomas
The first Rolling Stone Record Guide listed all three AC/DC albums up to when it was published (High Voltage, Let There Be Rock, and Powerage) as worthless. They gave one star to all Black Sabbath albums except for Paranoid (2 stars), which they suggested buying (if you must) instead of We Sold Our Souls because it was shorter and cheaper.
Bentley Garcia
Differences in opinion are a little funny sometimes, for example Christgau worshiped Blondie but Bangs loathed them and wrote a bunch of ultra-sexist remarks about Debbie Harry.
Aiden Young
>Nico - Chelsea Girl he gave it a 5/10
Ryder Lewis
^This. I don't mind reading a review on RYM or Encyclopedia Metallum, but fuck all the pretentious retards like Christgau who do this for a living.
Jeremiah Thompson
>The first Rolling Stone Record Guide listed all three AC/DC albums up to when it was published (High Voltage, Let There Be Rock, and Powerage) as worthless. Christgau put them in his Distinctions Not Cost Effective bin which means "there's some decent material here but hunting for it isn't worth your time".
I imagine he might have liked the LTBR title track.
Cameron Torres
>Most of their music was disposable, an inept imitation of the Velvet Underground occasionally decaying into childish mayhem. Scaruffi on Les Rallizes Dénudés
Robert Stewart
Christgau is always wrong and finds reasons to dislike music that has nothing to do with said music