It's over. They're done

It's over. They're done.

Tons of their lyrics are making more and more sense, YFW era especially.

Continue my legacy, my son

"brand new" also makes sense if you know what i mean ;^). Well another trump hater bites the dust.

I bet if they changed their band name to “The Rapists”, I’m sure their career could be salvaged somewhat.

kys

Lacey does not even come close to what Watkins did. Lacey fucked up, but seriously, the difference is massive

Lacey:
>She was 15, he was 24
>Lacey compelled her to send nudes over the internet

Watkins:
>Actively raped babies and made plans to rape more
>Tried to get babies addicted to meth so he could whore them out to other pedos

lacey...

both made shitty emo music, that should be enough for life sentence

You can hate BN all you want, but The Devil and God is one of the best albums of the last 15 years

Didn't the guy from New Found Glory get jailed for shit like this as well?

is just still pissed that emo killed of nu-metal

emo killed goths in western europe

The only thing the rest of the band can do is fire Jesse
He's probably the main reason they planned to break up.

I hope Vince does something solo, hes great.

>Was losing all my fans
>Losing some to nudes and some to Skyping
>Was losing all my fans
>I'll never get 'em back

wasn't this supposed to be their last album anyway? they were done regardless.

Not really. Most of his lyrics suck and he's never been very good at writing melodies. I really do feel like Jesse has carried Vinnie throughout Brand New's career. Like, they can go on without Jesse, but either way the band is done.

should have denied it all.
oh well hes a rich guy. sjw's can't take his money

David Bowie literally fucked a 14 year old and a majority of people still love him
Jesse doesn't even fuck the girl and he gets crucified by most people
I don't think what he did is okay, but can society at least treat musicians equally when it comes to this shit?

She said he wanted nudes over Skype in 2002 but...Skype didn't exist then.

yeah, but bowie lived in a different time. jesse grew up in the SJW era, he should know better.

This is now going to be dropped from the media's AOTY lists and for some reason that makes me mad. This whole situation is kind of fucked. Tbh, I'm bummed brand new is over.

Who's will be fucked next?
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Bowie did it decades ago when people didn't give a fuck. Also he has a legendary status and is dead. People are hypocrites, big surprise.

majority of chads fuck underages, but most of them are too stupid to make big.

>but can society at least treat musicians equally when it comes to this shit?
huh? plenty of feminists shitted on bowie when he died. its just a small minority

they were shit though, literally fall out boy

Does it make you more mad that he took advantage of a teenager or that critics don't want to praise a band led by a guy who allegedly (and somewhat admittedly) broke child pornography laws? I think Science Fiction is a solid record but I don't give the slightest shit that it won't be on certain AOTY lists now.

It doesn't matter what decade he was in, it's still wrong. He never got any flack for it when it deserved it. Same thing for Lennon beating his first wife.

They were better than fall out boy, for sure. But within scene music there's always been a divide between fans. It usually is like:

You: Fall out boy

Me, an intellectual: Brand New

That user very clearly was talking about society at large. Most people don't know or don't care that Bowie committed statutory rape. I don't even understand why you would type that response.

Dude, I agree. But my point was this is why other people don't care.

>its just a small minority
That's my point, it was only a small group for something worse. Jesse does something not quite as bad, and gets crucified.

Anyone overjoyed by this? Seriously brightened my morning hearing this news, brand new cucks BTFO'd. Keep telling your DIY friends Science Fiction is your AOTY so you can be labeled a problematic pedo too

Kek no it's not. Worst Sup Forumscore along with Laughing Stock

How can you even compare the two? Brand New is fucking miles better than Fall Out Boy. Brand New at least challenged themselves musically, whereas FOB got poppier and poppier each release.

>Doesn't like TDAG or Laughing Stock

Honestly dude just end you're life that you currently are having

He wrote the best song on their new album and one of their best tracks, Out of Range. Fuck out of here.

what?

Are you glad purely because you dislike their music? I would say it's fucked up to have this attitude.

"Out of Range" is good, but it's one goddamn song. Daisy is littered with laughable lyrics and completely dull melodies, and he was directly responsible for a lot of that.

Jesse and Brand New won't be remembered for this shit unless some major info comes out about him having some underage harem or something.
Ten years from now they'll still be remembered as on of the premier hardcore emo bands, as they should.

Love that album always
Regardless of the bitterness of Sup Forumsfags

>he doesn't like Laughing Stock

loling at your life

Daisy is one of their best albums though dude

you a dumbfuck bro

tbf bn always had a shitty fanbase.

/BRAND NEW/ fags are so easily triggered.

>there's always been a divide between fans
Me: ascended, not a fan

I think the likelihood of this being true in the era we live in is low. People take things like this more seriously now, as they should. People will definitely still respect and talk about their output, but I think this will have a strong impact on their legacy. It just depends on what happens with Jesse in the future.

Also - I'll split hairs here - I wouldn't call the majority of their music hardcore emo. Obviously emo, but I dunno.

True. Dang. God damn. Thank you, senpai. I wasn't using my head there.

Eh I'll admit I have warmed up to it, but there are still some mad weak songs on there. "Gasoline" is trash.

look lets be honest. they were a shitty band overrated by a bunch of kids trying to self-loathe over high school.

im glad it happened and continues to happen.

It's his own faggy fan base that's to blame. If you make music which attracts nu-males you can't be surprised when they decide to drop you over some silly allegations. Kodak Black has pending rape charges but his career is booming because none of his fans give a shit.

dude I LOVE Gasoline

good

Gasoline is awesome bruh

absolute pleb

this
when u make music like they do. u get a bunch of mentally ill fags who u want to be the perfect human for them.

>be Jesse Lacey
>almost 40
>been playing same songs for almost 20 years
>want to move on in life
>rabid fans keep clinging to band and following my every move
>what do
>tell old guitar tech buddy to make a post looking for dirt on me
>some random bitch claims I mind raped her
>perfect
>admit I'm a piece of shit
>literally needs therapy due to pussy addiction
>literally alt-hitler
>now everyone hates me and my band
>can finally live a quiet and peaceful life
>even get to go home early from this tour
>mfw

genius

can we all agree that this guitar tech seems like a massive butthurt faggot?

>she accompanied the singer to his hotel room where he is alleged to have told her he "couldn't help himself" as he tore off her clothes, bit her repeatedly, and raped her as she screamed for help
>About Octave, the Miami New Times asked "is he the product of larger societal problems, having been raised on a steady diet of misogynistic rap lyrics?"
The media's reaction is quite the contrast. lol

Beautiful.
I love you Jesse... from one bro to another.

The lyrics are Trent Reznor tier and it gets bogged down in insipid repetition.

>So he tried to put the fire out
>But you used gasoline
>When the congregation gathered around
>You screamin' "it wasn't me,"
>So there is a sickness that's going around
>But no one's got a vaccine
>I think it drowned in holy water
>I think it's time we all come clean

It's called the bigotry of low expectations.
Nobody criticizes blacks as much because people genuinely don't expect them to act with decency.

>liking brand new
Yikes! Um, sweetie, no. Jesse Lacey is a CIS white rapist pedophile, liking that band or any of their albums is problematic

nobody reads the fucking newspaper

kodak makes bangers

based ethnic jews
>inb4 they're Christians!

Based user delivering truth bombs. You should've mentioned the antlers hospice and the glow pt 2 though too

I think this is more accurate than is

But burying the accusations under "society made him this way" mentality is shitty. Like, yes, society nurtures misogyny, but that doesn't excuse individual examples of it. I just think the most likely thing here is that his fans don't care and he doesn't have a reputation as a sensitive guy like Jesse Lacey does.

Shit taste detected
That songs the best on the album, up there with At The Bottom and You Stole

Nah, most of these allegations won't mean shit years from now.
Because of the ever-growing number of false ones, people will just write it off as someone trying to get money out of them.
They're all blending together and people have already stopped caring.

He's not wrong though.

raping a baby is way worse than what Jesse did.

"At the Bottom" is solid. The weird twang was a damn interesting departure from stuff they'd done before, and I think they took a page out of their buddies' Modest Mouse book. But "You Stole" is one of those tracks that gets far too repetitious, with melodies flatter than the geography of Florida. Even the dynamic shift lacks urgency.

The majority of people who have stopped caring are those who are ready and willing to write off any and all accusations from the start. Society in general cares far more than they used to, and the rising number of accusations - true and false - is part of that ubiquity. I just don't agree that it won't mean shit down the road.

Fair point.
To me though, people are just turning away from news, movies and any form of entertainment really because of all this SJW philosophy being pumped into them.
In the long run, this will be a good thing because people can only try not to offend people for so long before they just say 'fuck it' and do whatever they want.
Happened in the 90s (strangely almost identical to how it is now), probably will happen in a year or two.

Are you fucking retarded,
or just trolling?

I just want this shit to settle enough that they still come to aus. My gf introduced me to them when we started dating, and ever since, I've been hooked, second fave band to Modest Mouse, but BN haven't been out here since before then, like 7-8 years. Hear stories of people that have seen them like fucking 20+ times, and here I am, seen them 0 times, Modest Mouse once. Give us stralian's some love, cunts.

I think the forcefulness of a lot of my liberal and progressive cohorts is why Trump is in office right now, and why average people are turning away from everything. But I do think this shit is very important to focus on. Just. . . goddamn some of these people can be aggressive and unfair and obnoxious.

I went on twitter to say its dangerous to take accusations as fact before the accused has a chance to respond and even days after we found out what happened im getting people calling me an ignorant faggot defending Jesse Lacey. What the fuck? Do these mongs not know that it was before we found out?

>David Bowie literally fucked a 14 year old
Yeah, and he didn't know her age. She was a groupie and got what groupie's wanted: dick. Do you really think Bowie would've said 'fuck it' and still fucked her if he knew her age?

I have to be honest: I don't care about this at all.
Brand New is awesome.
I don't care if Jesse murdered a guy... the music is what matters and it'll always be great.

I really wish people would stop bringing that up, I feel like it's going to get much louder now with all this shit going on and some fucking SJW cunt is going to try and ruin his legacy more than they already did right when he died. Not only was it a different time then, that girl, allegedly, didn't tell them her age, was fully consensual with it and has spoken back on it as such, and was generally just involved in that scene. Not at all equivalent, completely different time and set of circumstances.

this
i slept with a 17 yr old who lied to me and said she was 19. wasn't my fault tbqh

Yes

not sure you want a serious answer but David Bowie just fucked a qt girl. Jesse took it to another level: soliciting nudes, and going to great lengths to manipulate and use these young women to satisfy the intense desires he could not suppress.

yes

I wonder what this person has to say
>Crazium
nah, don't think i'll read this one :)

Based user

not an argument

Other thing is, if anyone's been paying attention to the music, he's obviously always been a cunt, and the reason we all love the music, is because we're cunts and his shit resonates with us where other's music doesn't, because those people aren't cunts in the same way we're cunts, cunt.

hes worse than a tripfag.

>because those people aren't cunts in the same way we're cunts, cunt.
they are cunts like us. but they blame other ppl for them being cunts.

>it was a different time
All of the other stuff aside this is complete bollocks. Age of consent laws were still enforced and it was still statutory rape under that legal system.

I do think David isn't so much in the wrong considering she didn't tell him her age. You can't accuse him of being predatory in that situation. You're right. It's very different and I'm glad you're bringing this up.

I mean, it's entirely fair to think both. To say what he did was fucked, but also be fucking mad that a great piece of art you liked and that spoke to you will now never be remembered fondly and is verboten to be positive about, just because of some shit that took place a decade ago and critics relentlessly virtue signalling drop it. Might happen to anything by the band at all now, content considered, so it definitely sucks for fans.

Tons of people have been saying the same thing about Spacey, and it's my immediate feeling, too. It's making it about yourself, it's personal, but it's valid. Hating the awful shit he did, but also being like "God dammit, now I can't watch American Beauty anymore. Now I can't like House of Cards."

Is this a meme now?
Because I'd be okay with it being a meme

>"God dammit, now I can't watch American Beauty anymore. Now I can't like House of Cards."
thats retarded. OTHER ACTORS ARE IN THE MOVIE

yeah, as I said, they're not cunts in the same way we're cunts. Every god damn person on this planet is a cunt in some way, we're just those self loathing,self deprecating cunts, due the fact we know we've done shitty things to other people in situations we should have known better in

There’s no actual proof of that.

HAHAHHAHAHAHA SOYBOYS BTFO GET REKT YOU NU MALE KEK FAGGOTS SUG MY DEEK

Yeah, well, welcome to rap. Assuming there isn't multiple Craziums I talked to you about this like a week or two back, and the general consensus of the mainstream media is "It's okay there because it's the style and, like, society made them that way" while we get thinkpieces about Prog being only for white people and how emo music is problematic. It's a shit time to be in, desu.

How is this so terrible and so funny at the same time?