Is there any other genre of music that is so self-absorbed, so desperate for validation...

Is there any other genre of music that is so self-absorbed, so desperate for validation, so pathetically obsessed with itself, so childish and image-conscious, so accepting of conformity and mediocrity as Punkl? No. There isn’t. Because Punk is the fucking worst, at least in North America, and it needs to get right or go away forever.

Punk is a petulant little child that is wrought with an Oedipus complex, an oral fixation and a collective transference of identity issues (somehow stemming from a lack of identity) that causes it to be constantly screaming for attention. Punk ALWAYS needs a great big dick in its mouth to calm it down and stroke its melodramatic ego. Punk wants to be heard and seen. It wants to rebel; yet, if you look at it, it ironically shuns your gaze because you are not credible enough to soothe its aching teats. Punk wants to be different, but only within a strict set of guidelines. Punk is a tireless masochist. It suffers, it moans, it whines, it annoys; it is a culture of emasculation, castration, penis envy, communism, capitalism and third-grade intellectualism. Punk is weak, ill-formed, small-minded, an accident. Punk is modern man in search of a soul, yet it looks not to the heavens for answers — instead it stares in awe up its own gaping asshole, whispering with quivered lips, "You go, girl." Yes. YES. Punk is a cliche, a reproduction, derivative and fucking lame. Punk is an echo chamber.

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long story short: OP's a fag

isn't the fact you are upset about it existing, means it is doing its job?

i feel like the age of punk where that was goal has kind of come and gone. a lot of "punks" these days act like children who have to look good in front of the big kids.

>Is there any other genre of music that is so self-absorbed, so desperate for validation, so pathetically obsessed with itself, so childish and image-conscious, so accepting of conformity and mediocrity as Punkl?
Yes, hip-hop

>probably listens to the shittiest bands from a genre and then bitches about the genre

punk is gay as fuck and if you dont care about punk people who listen to that shit get mad. Why do i have to know about your shitty dc hardcore scene? Your music sucks and your message is lame bithc

Probably in the case of the offending age being dead, but the only fashion punks I know are in their late 30's early 40's where the rest of us, for the most part just wear dark colours.

This is coming from my local punk scene though not sure about other cities

>my local punk scene

friend you are GAY

Do you even listen to punk music? If not, what do you listen to?

No shit really, I wasn't aware thanks for letting me know

ur welcome

i only respect anarcho-punks. rest of them are faggots.

Metal

>where the rest of us, for the most part just wear dark colours.
Same. The scene here is a mix of punk, hardcore and metal, everything mixed, and the only ones that wear fancy and flashy shit are the most "metal" retards, the rest dress all black. It's weird.

every anarcho-punk i know is went/goes to school in a good area, bitches about capitalism, and then continues to fuel said system blindly

>a filthy junkie fucked my bitch and now i'm mad

Oh god underage, junkie puns are the fucking worst.

every punk i know is an annoying communist sjw faggot. there is nothing punk about that.

punk was fine for a while but everyone still listening is now a gatekeeper who preens themselves and talks shit about anyone not being punk correctly i.e. The exact thing punk music was about in its infancy

most genres are only good when the scene is new so my advice is hop on new bandwagons before the inevitable

The only good punk-related scene here is the Powerviolence one, and even being only skinny screaming kids they're still better than your usual punk.

punk is dead what is the new punk...

well after punk was Post-Punk
when is Post-Post-Punk

Do you expect us all to just become primitivists and live off the grid or something? You can't change the system if you're isolated from it.

Is there anything left to be said in punk? The horse is skeletal and they still keep kicking it

Nice job listing a bunch of things you think punk is without giving any explanation as to why you think that way. People will totally take you seriously.

The point is that the entire subculture of Punk depends on the existence of the Western Liberalism whose lifeblood is Capitalism.

Jim Goad put it eloquently in his article "The Underground is a Lie":
jimgoad.net/goadabode/issue 2/undergnd.html

You might wanna copy and paste the text into something readable, because that segment of his site is ugly.

Poignant passages:
>your underground is strictly an upper-class phenom....You can't handle the guilt of your comfortable background, so you commit the heinous crime of slumming. No one worships trash in the slums, where they have to eat and breathe it daily. In poor neighborhoods, weirdness invites violence. Yet a blue-blooded nabob like you acts triflingly eccentric and considers it radical.
>The "creative community" doesn't consist of the most creative people; you're the ones with the most spare time to create, those whose parents tolerate-and often finance-your flighty pursuits. What usually passes for art is just the idle noodling of the leisure class.
>Your gizzard ululates with, "You sellout!" Well, the wealthy are the only ones who can afford NOT to sell out. Yes, there are a holy few who have refused cash when it's been dangled in front of them-they're called 'masochists.' If you're still reading this, you're a masochist, too. By the time I'm done with you, you'll reconsider your opposition to law enforcement.
>For not only are you a liar, you're a hypocrite. You're fascinated by violence until you're confronted with it. You romanticize trauma but have never been traumatized. You demand grant money from a government you seek to destroy. You idolize primitive cultures but would slash your wrists if your CD player broke. You condemn religion but consider yourself enlightened. You're as self-righteous as the moralists upon which you spit. You hate hatred, won't tolerate intolerance, and conspire with others against conformity.

this thread is punk in its pure state

>goadabode
my sides
good reading though. one wise gentleman.

It's really a good article. I'll post the rest of it ITT so others can read it:
>You don't shock me. 1 shudder with boredom at everything you do, from tattooing your dick to chewing on your own poop. Not only have I seen all of your weak gestures before, I've seen them done better.
>You remind me of someone I knew in college. His name was Mark. Pale, unshaven, and wearing his dishwater-colored hair in a Mohawk, Mark was an anarchist. He railed against the corporate elite and cheered for the collective. Projecting himself as his own mascot, he defaced hundreds of buildings with a goofy cartoon drawing of a Mohawk-wearing anarchist. The back of his leather jacket had an anarchy 'A' crudely daubed in white paint. Mark could be seen around town clustered with similarly disaffected youth, drinking out of paper bags, committing petty acts of vandalism, and plotting America's overthrow.
>Unfortunately, Mark's parents were publishing magnates who had tucked away forty thousand dollars in stock for their baby anarchist. I once watched Mark transform into a sobbing bitch when he lost a bootleg cassette of his favorite hardcore band. Despite his lowlife appearance, he was a rich boy with the time and money to act poor. So were all of his friends. So are all of the people who consider themselves "alternative." Mark-you remind me of him.
>Like Mark, your underground is strictly an upper-class phenom. You're a body-pierced, hair-dyeing, chain-smoking, whip-carrying FAKE, a little bitchy snitch who hasn't been hit enough. Your black eyeliner, rubber pants, and asymmetrical hairdo are a post-pubescent way of playing costume. You can't handle the guilt of your comfortable background, so you commit the heinous crime of slumming. No one worships trash in the slums, where they have to eat and breathe it daily. In poor neighborhoods, weirdness invites violence. Yet a blue-blooded nabob like you acts triflingly eccentric and considers it radical.

>The "creative community" doesn't consist of the most creative people; you're the ones with the most spare time to create, those whose parents tolerate-and often finance-your flighty pursuits. What usually passes for art is just the idle noodling of the leisure class
>Your gizzard ululates with, "You sellout!" Well, the wealthy are the only ones who can afford NOT to sell out. Yes, there are a holy few who have refused cash when it's been dangled in front of them-they're called "masochists." If you're still reading this, you're a masochist, too. By the time I'm done with you, you'll reconsider your opposition to law enforcement
>In your typically egocentric way, you pretend you're the vanguard, freeing the oppressed from the shackles of ignorance. You conduct a sorry crusade to recast the world in your image. You're dumb enough to think you'll make a difference. You feel that if everyone was like you, society would be wonderful. Yet you walk away scratching your head when the truly oppressed don't want anything to do with you. You've never fought for anything but the right to be infantile
>If patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels, political rhetoric is a cubbyhole for dullards. The political is merely the personal in a cheap, quivering act of sublimation. You oppose power, which is like protesting the sun-scream all you want, but it'll still scorch you. As you cry about global warming, global corporations, and global revolution, I stare into the vacant globes of your eyes. The only anarchy going on is the mutinous misfiring of your brain cells. The 'A' stands for "asshole"
>You whine about your "sexuality," how your body is a political combat zone. You're a simple rodent with boring bodily functions which you seek to ennoble. With your flagrant vanity and dishonesty in personal interactions, you reveal yourself to be equally as rotten as the leaders you despise. You invariably wind up imitating the oppressor. Unfortunately, you weren't oppressed to begin with

>For not only are you a liar, you're a hypocrite. You're fascinated by violence until you're confronted with it. You romanticize trauma but have never been traumatized. You demand grant money from a government you seek to destroy. You idolize primitive cultures but would slash your wrists if your CD player broke. You condemn religion but consider yourself enlightened. You're as self-righteous as the moralists upon which you spit. You hate hatred, won't tolerate intolerance, and conspire with others against conformity.
>All your cohorts are hypocrites, too. Feminists don't degrade, objectify, and stereotype men? Socialists aren't elitists? Environmentalists don't drive cars? A pox upon all your houses. I'd wish for a rat to bite your ass and give you the Black Plague, but you'd probably consider it a fashion statement.
>While you slurp the dick of political correctness, your amber asshole is being torn asunder by aesthetic correctness. You flush your self-respect down the toilet while scrambling to obey the edicts of boho taste. You're frightened senseless that others will think you're uncool. You'd rather swallow whale sperm than admit you like disco, Chicken McNuggets, or Love Connection. You're frozen with fear that someone will realize what little you have to say. You squirm in the face of your own dullness. You are a prisoner of the underground, a hostage of your own creative retardation. Ideas emerge from your head stillborn.
>Your rebelliousness is laid out for you like the portions of a TV dinner. You ape the powers that be with every clove-scented breath you take. You are nothing more than socioeconomic ectoplasm, a target market, a file folder at Central Casting. You exist as a parasite, because without an Establishment for you to oppose, you'd shrivel into cellular waste. Try as you may to avoid being absorbed by the mainstream, you remain trapped under its microscope, an amoeba with a nose ring.

>This isn't an apologia for the mainstream, not by any stretch. Those who seek to defend it might as well believe in the Easter Bunny, too. The mainstream's models of reality are chunky and obsolete, just like yours. To attack it is too easy, like stealing crutches from a cripple. I'll leave those tactics to cowards such as you.
>True psychos stand alone. The only pioneers are those who give voice to the ugliest corridors of their unconscious without fear of censure from any quarter. The acts that ordinary people commit behind closed doors are beyond the ken of any performance artist. Humans' innate weirdness is far more threatening and entertaining than anything the professional shock mavens could conjure.
>I boggle your conception of a world split between cognoscenti and squares. I subvert the subversives and bury the underground under six feet of its own hypocritical manure. I perform unsolicited tattooing, body-piercing, and ritual scarification upon you.
>Give vent to your sickest fantasies, but don't call it art. Cornhole Barbara Bush, but only if you want to. Sketch your astrological chart with your own feces, but only if it feels good. If you want to do something truly radical, kill yourself. We'll have one less reader, but the world will be a better place.

Quite honestly, the cultural pendulum has swung so far left, Punk in its current state feels redundant, Republican in the White House be damned. Fuck, a whole bunch of shady shit was done under the auspices of the Obama Administration and not one of them made a peep. Not even RAC skinheads could be bothered to make an anti-Obama song, but Trump comes along and everybody's bitching.

This is pathetic.

>The point is that the entire subculture of Punk depends on the existence of the Western Liberalism whose lifeblood is Capitalism.
That's fucking stupid. It's like saying capitalism is inferior to manorialism simply because manorialism came first. How is anarcho-punk existing in reaction to capitalism in and of itself a strike against anarcho-punk? The whole point is that it's a rebellion against capitalist values and society.

Oh, so he's basing his argument off his anecdotal experience with anarchists he knew in college. Not to mention that he's judging these people by their socio-economic status that they have no control over whatsoever, as if that even matters to whether someone can be anti-capitalist. Really makes you think.

t. triggered soyboy

these new copypastas are getting out of hand

Yes. Go watch Thuleanperspectives
>Not to mention that he's judging these people by their socio-economic status that they have no control over whatsoever
>"Help! My parents are forcing me to accept their money"
The point he is making is obviously not to criticise anarchy/anti-capitalism movements themselves but rather the attitude of the people of the scene related to those movements.

DC Hardcore >your favourite shitty fag music
Suck dick OP

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The biggest Punk band

t. triggered soyboy

>DC had a shit hardcore scene
haha no, I fully agree that modern "punks" are the most conformist ant like people in any music scene though

Nothing. It's a zombie that won't die.

punk is the only reason that people that play instruments stand any chance of being cool

It's funny, because as a 'soyboy' I would pummel your cuck faggot face into the dirt you limp wristed motherfucker, come to Boston and you'll regret it

>"Help! My parents are forcing me to accept their money"
Rather than looking at it like that, maybe instead you should see rich anti-capitalists as condemning the system that allows them to live such easier lives compared to the poor. It's dumb to chastise them for taking advantage of the privileges afforded to them because who wouldn't? If they eschewed their inheritance and just became vagabonds that would help no one and just makes their own lives harder. At least they recognize the inequality and are trying to do something about it.

Dude, by acting all edgy on Sup Forums you're no better than the guy you're trying to impress.

Although, while not being the guy you're arguing with, I personally would love to come to Boston, I heard that place is a blast.

>internet tough guy

I don't know, I just know I like The Bananas and The Vindictives. You should probably start listening to music you like instead of complaining about the music you don't.
>suddenly realize where I'm posting this statement at

>You should probably start listening to music you like instead of complaining about the music you don't.

Words of fucking wisdom right there.

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>Is there any other genre of music that is so self-absorbed, so desperate for validation, so pathetically obsessed with itself, so childish and image-conscious, so accepting of conformity and mediocrity as Punkl?
Hip Hop.

Punk ideology is a meme- its either plebs just there to be edgy, or elitists who screech at anybody with a record deal. I like punk and its subgenres, seperate from the latest overly discussed definition of an irrelevant movement. So do other people.

>I don't agree with punk so it doesn't make sense
yeah okay

can punk even be considered its own music genre? It didn't last long enough honestly. It's basically just aggressive rock.

>punk rock

This right here. I love the pics of the punk concert with the wall of rules behind it.

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Punk, as the authentic culture force it's commonly romanticize, lived and died in the 70's. Everything after that was just a music scene, like any other genre, with the occasional true believer who missed the memo.

The points about fetising working class life are valid, the rest is just garbage though. Tolerating intolerance is a stupid argument. Tolerating the intolerant leads to less tolerance more widely, its just language which makes it seem like a hypocrisy.

>interwebs is srs bussiness

black metal

>Tolerating intolerance is a stupid argument.
No it actually points out well the flaw in claiming tolerance as a moral virtue. That is, intolerance vs tolerance is not a question of quantity (as the words naturally imply), it is merely a question of quality, or your criteria of things that you tolerate or don't tolerate. You can tolerate one thing, but inherently that means you do not tolerate the inverse, or opposing action. That is why the paradox of tolerance exists and why someone like Popper failed in addressing it in the way people quote it today (the full argument actually does better in addressing a more pertinent point beyond "tolerance" but people ignore that when addressing the overall argument). To say "tolerating intolerance leads to an overall less tolerance" simply betrays your own biases in what is considered "tolerant".

Only punks I ever see are junkies on the subway blasting a boombox that everyone can hear.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>Trying to do something about it

By LARPing as poor people and being a lazy pieces of shit? If you're going to actually trying to help inequality as part of the middle/upper class, then you'd better off educate yourself, get a legitimate economic/business degree, make some non-profit organisation or get into politics and be influential, and improve the unjust system. You can't seriously be as retarded as to think that making grafitti and living off trash is going to change anything.

By trying to dress punk you're doing exactly the opposite of what punk is about. Listen to what you want and dress how you want but dont be a poser.

Accurate

>make some non-profit organisation or get into politics and be influential, and improve the unjust system
Yeah fucking right. When was the last time doing any of those things led to significant long lasting change in the world for the better? None of those things improve the already and inherently broken system, they only perpetuate it. Anarchists believe that freedom comes from dismantling the system entirely.

>then you'd better off educate yourself, get a legitimate economic/business degree
Hey assclown, you don't seem to realize it, but we're both arguing that people should take advantage of their lot in life to make the world a better place. The only difference is that for some reason you seem to take offense if people do that while also living the crust punk lifestyle. Funny how off the grid living is so romanticized by you anti-anarchists, but when people choose to live essentially the same way except in an urban setting it's "LARPing as poor people and being lazy pieces of shit".

Metal as well