Why are there so few actual Marxist/Communist musicians? It seems like most are either liberals or anarchists...

Why are there so few actual Marxist/Communist musicians? It seems like most are either liberals or anarchists. Is it because artistic people are generally brainlets who are driven by emotion, and don't have the time/willpower to read actual theory?

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jesus christ op

because marxists are retarded

t. anarcho commie

Ever hear of Robert Wyatt?

People expect to be compensated for their labor.

Robert Wyatt, Henry Cow, the list goes on..........

You'll grow out of your lifestylism one day.
Actually you probably won't.
lol?

sounds like something a statist would say

You can't be serious

There are legitimately tons

no theory

There are tons of Marxist/Communist musicians...IN THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES. Fuckakes, OP. Get your flat butt back to Sup Forums. Your autism is showing.

They're too busy being dead because they had to wait in line for a loaf of bread

Like?

The Anglosphere tends to trend towards (inane) libertarian perspectives.

Jeff Mangum is low key one. He talked about it at occupy wall street

Lucky for him most people download his music instead of paying for it.

lil peep was one, but he dead

>brainlets calling other brainlets retarded

You didn't really specify the West, but in that regard a lot more are starting to come about. For popular ones globally, The Refused is up there. Also

>inane

Read moar

Ignore the sage name

t. americuck?

because when commies get into power they murder musicians

commies are better at murdering musicians than being musicians

Nope.

People mention Stereolab a lot, but it was pretty much debunked

ACKCHYUALLY

you'll grow up one day and realise marxism/communism is a really really stupid idea.

Marxism is a fairly useful way to analyze the economy and society but the proper response to it is not to create a fully centralized economy with an ultra-authoritarian state to manage it.

>you'll grow up one day
t. 19 years old

>t. 16 year old

yep, 19 is still young and dumb.
communism doesnt work. never has, never will.

love leftist infighting, especially coming from anarcho kiddies

t. marxist

Why are there so few Libertarian musicians ?

Too busy jerking off to child porn to learn an instrument.

I’m calling Sup Forums to shit on your thread.

>anarchism = no government at all
>communism = very involved government

How can you be both? It's like "healthy cigarettes" or "caring rapist"

i'm seriously confused as to why communism is popular today. who the fuck wants MORE government?

Read a book
Alternatively, Wikipedia

How frequent are your interactions with government?
I think most people have rightly realized that their primary troubles lie with their bosses, their landlords, and in the case of Americans: their healthcare providers.
You could at least make the argument that states are necessary to organize certain enterprises, but the three classes I just named have no logical reason to exist. They're the textbook definition of leeches.

anyone that notices that especially the US government does not serve the people. When you have 30 million children going to bed hungry, vets not getting the care they need, sick people going bankrupt for a hospital visit, 32000 people shot every year, all while Donald Dump gives tax breaks to the wealthy, they realize this government needs to be replaced with a government that provides for people in need.

Yeah and I wonder what it would be like under communist rule.

>MUH IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE PROPERLY!!!

it really hasn't. A Stalinist dictatorship isn't communism.

oh fuck off

Lil Peep's worldview was a defeatist brand of neoliberalism inherited from the dregs whom he chose to spend his time with. His grandfather was a card-carrying communist, but Gustav never got that far

The USSR was socialist and it was good. Russia is worse now than it was then.

Shut up.

I understand this position but most of the far left communists within America and other countries are very intolerant and prejudice people. Just look at Antifa and the violent riots. I get the whole opposing fascim but I have no doubt in my mind what they'd be like if they had any real power and that scares me.

>The USSR was socialist and it was good

Say all you want about how fucked capitalism is, I agree wholeheartedly. But to think that the famines, living state and not to mention mass silence of speech and throwing people to work to death in gulags is worst than America is fucked up. I sympathise with some marxist and communist teachings but it is an extremely flawed system that I will oppose strongly if it ever comes into any sort of power.

>Just look at Antifa
they aren't necessarily communists. Also, as a Marxist-Leninist I don't believe in violence so that automatically shuts me out of being "an Antifa member" even though I have been to anti-racist protests. Just like with any other group, it's hard to know what any individual thinks. There are black racists in the BLM movement shouting fuck the police with a hippie next to them holding a sign that says peace for all.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZpUYjpKg9KY
>In the brilliant deconstructionist Marxism on display in the musical track 'Break Stuff' you can clearly see the post-ironic styling of lead comrade Fred Durst's lyrical phrasing that the "Stuff" that is needing to be broken is actually the State.

I understand your position, but you're still an idiot.

>brainlets think the class struggle is seperable from the racial struggle

COINTELPRO thread

Tell me about NazBol. I'm genuinely intrigued.

Robert Wyatt
Henry Cow
SPK
Atari Teenage Riot
Rage Against The Machine
Immortal Technique

Some of those are more far-left than communist but that's the point

>it's another "NONE OF THESE PEOPLE THAT PRACTICE COMMUNISM ARE COMMUNISTS" episode
Christ, even in your childish fantasy where communism manages to work, what a fucking pathetically boring and shallow world it'd be to live in. Fuck you, fuck off.

whatever CIA

I already said that Marxism Leninism in the USSR was an attempt at communism, was ultimately positive, and is worth defending even now.

and everybody called u a dickhead cos your wrong

maybe because musicians aren't as stupid as we think they are

whatever CIA

>read actual theory
yeah i dont know how useful suppositions are. get your head out of imagination land

Because why should they share their political beliefs? Should they talk about their diets too?

why not? zappa did
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maybe they should share their vidya game collection

fred zappa was a total gaylord and only teens care about anything he ever did

hate his music, love his mind. would have fucking loved to see him on twitter with all the pc bs going on today.

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>total gaylord
Are you literally 11?

it's because communism is for college students who don't know how the world works yet.

Shut the fucking fuck up. USSR was socialist under Stalin.

>communism

look kid obviously capitalism is not perfect and in that case maybe you should get off your ass and look into starting activist campaigns or perhaps donate money to needy families but co-opting something as utterly dangerous as socialist/marxism-leninism (where the very few countries that actually still utilize it have human rights violations out the wazoos and low food and water resources) only highlights your ignorance and shows how spoiled and self-righteous you truly are

you can repeat talking points about how everyone around you just needs to "read a fucking book" but when it comes time for action people like you clam up completely and most likely end up getting shot anyway by authority anyway. i suggest growing up and quit flirting with this dangerous BS.

>brainlet capitalist getting triggered bcuz superior communism argument
>"b-but muh capitalism"
Checkm8 fucking capitalists amerifags. communism and feminism wins again, as always.
*tips fedora

There is no such thing as commie-anarchist you fucking retard. One is stateless and one isn't.

. superior communism argument

where?

nothing you're saying here relates to anything in my post whatsoever

why don't you post a pic of your emaciated body to compliment your outdated political beliefs

...

>racial struggle

If you mean that a lot of rich countries benefited themselves with the exploration of African and Asian colonies, as well as from black slavery, and all of that was justified ideologically in a racial bias, i.e, that they are inferior, literally animals, and because of that there's no problem in exploiting entire races, and that this is the historical roots of modern racism, yeah, I agree with you.

If you mean that le joos want to destroy whitey, you and all your nazbols friends are literally retards and need right now to stop using the bolsheviks and communism names. Also, kill yourself.

Btw, the URRS was the first country in the world to criminalize racism. Also, they supported national liberation struggles in a lot of colonies of "inferior races" around the world, even if they weren't socialist. They were denouncing American segregation in the 20s, a thing that no other country in the world would do at the time. So yeah, the bolsheviks knew very much about race struggle. But not of what you think race struggle is.

Dropping in to remind everyone that Communism is inevitable. Its how history works

nah stereolab were just left thinkers. They weren't insanely left to the point of becoming marxist or communist. Although im pretty sure they had lyrics portraying to marxism on a track or something i dont remember and im probably wrong. Plus they were left when being left was cool

reminder: if you're just some idiot kid who can't seem to clean your house properly, go to sleep and get up at appropriate times, or even do something as basic as stand upright with correct posture, then you have no clue what's best for the world at large

take stock of how shit you are at practically everything, clean up your own act, and then maybe you will be on solid enough ground to begin helping those who are immediately close to you

Communism isn't very art friendly.

Oh wow look guys THE Jordan Peterson i here.

Please don't ban my uni course mr. free speech man.

Proudhon was a better writer than marx.
Marxist are too busy being pseuds and larpers to make art of note,anyways

>le scary antifa mame
lmao kill yourself reddit kid

>ban

wasn't it just ranking courses by how postmodernist/cancerous they are

After Marx literally ended Proudhon's life with The Poverty of Philosophy, I guess the only good thing you can still talk about Proudhon is his "writing style".

That, and him being responsible for the parts of marx's philosophy that don't sound retarded in 2k17.

fuck off jordan

There are plenty communists who play insturments - most of the leftist 'youtubers' do if you know them and then there's a surprising overlap of left twitter users and Sup Forums users. The type of people drawn to communism are also the types who like music and like playing it you'll find.

As for actual professional artists, I think most communists have music as a hobby and then study something else or spend their time learning theory, due to Capitalism's hatred of free time you can only learn so many skills to a high standard, and I guess music isn't what a lot of commies chose, but it'd be cool if more of them did. We still have laborwave at least.

To any liberals or reactionaries in this thread, if you actually have any love for music you'd be anti-capitalist. It's not only the market that both strips the average person of the time and ability to make music, as well as create the formulaic, creativity killing fuckfest that is pop music today that maximises profit, but also it's global capitalism that cancels the future, causes social alienation, stagnates culture while detatching it from society to rule over us. Read Society of the Spectacle, read Capitalist Realism and then for the love of god read Marx. Marx's end goal was ever only the full development of the indiviaual, to free them from all other indivisuals and have humanity focus only on art, culture, philopshy and science. Capitalism is a great limiting factor on our own personalities. If you actually think it promotes freedom, you're likely the kind guy to then go tell a liberal arts major their useless to society and should had studied what the market wanted them to instead.

Marx couldn't eve BTFO Stirner and he was basically shitposting

t. american education system

i'm laughing but it's actually sad

Yes, so he could then say we needed to get rid of them.

Also if you think postmodernism automatically equals cancer then I can tell you've never picked up a book on it but just rely on Sargon of Akkad's definiton. I don't even like post modernism but you can spot pseuds like you from a mile away.

>t. anarcho commie
Go back to your antifa sub you fucking mongrel

how is everyone biting your stupid bait OP?

this

noam chomsky

Adorno, one of the founders of the infamous frankfurt school, was actually a very skilled composer.

You fucking idiot, read Marx. Socialism is about abolishing the value form and commodity production, not about a big state with red flags.

>Ignoring the historical circumstances

Remind me who was the first country in space?

he had beef with jazz tho
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oh my god. i nearly fell of my chair laughing at this. thanks mate.