Domination of lyrics is precisely for the benefit of unmusical people. No lyrics in classical music because it is music. Music is supposed to convey its meaning via melody, which of course must be interpreted for the message (=feeling) to be received, but peasants don't have the attention span or subtlety for that, ergo lyrics are introduced to literally tell the peasants the meaning. Wherever lyrics are introduced they dominate in the listener's ear, to the detriment of the music, because their meaning is easier to interpret. Least dominant in opera, out of all the lyrical forms, which is why opera can be pretty good music. Utterly dominant in rap, which is why rap features such shitty music, usually even stolen from a catchy pop tune, since rappers can't even be bothered to compose anything. Also, lyrics tire you out due to the intensity of the spoken word.
But it is not only the music that degenerates with the addition of lyrics, but also vice versa, since the requirements of the melody — such as it is, in pop music — constrain the lyrics too, condemning them to simplicity and repetitiveness. I mean, it's not like you can deliver an interesting lecture via song lyrics, which would at least have kept the listeners entertained, so childish, repetitive stuff only, and since repetitive they must be kept brief — which is how we went from hour-long symphonies to three-minute pop songs.
Camden Powell
>No lyrics in classical music because it is music Stop talking, retard.
Robert Morris
t. right side of the brain sperg who can't convey relatable emotion through lyrics
Jackson Roberts
Left side
Nolan Wilson
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Juan Sullivan
he's right to a degree though. lyrics are exist to give the music more life. if you process the lyrics before the actual music you are a pleb.
Jaxson Mitchell
based trips
Ian Rodriguez
>right side of the brain
Chase Jackson
my grandpa is the biggest turbo pleb I've ever met
he literally can't fathom why music without lyrics would even exist. if anyone plays a guitar near him he will loudly announce that it's "pointless unless you can sing"
I've never encountered anyone so assertive in their pleb ways
Luke Kelly
>talking shit about your grandparents
Ryder Mitchell
listen to some folk you autist
Adam Miller
Aphex Twin fucking sucks
Hudson Torres
>No lyrics in classical music because it is music. Except for literally all pre-baroque music, opera, oratorio, lied, choral and church music (mass, cantata etc).
>the message (=feeling) kek
>But it is not only the music that degenerates with the addition of lyrics, but also vice versa, since the requirements of the melody — such as it is, in pop music — constrain the lyrics too, condemning them to simplicity and repetitiveness. Pro tip: Greek literature (epic and lyric(!) poetry and drama) was always recited alongside musical accompaniment. Basically you're saying that the literature of the founders of western civilization was simple, repetitive and bad. Not to mention the fact that some the most important opera composers stressed the importance of the words and story (Monteverdi, Gluck, Wagner), while most other composers concentrated only on the music (Händel's work is particularly guilty of that, making the plots nearly irrelevant, so Gluck tried to fix things though his reform).
>we went from hour-long symphonies to three-minute pop songs. >implying hour-long symphonies weren't a rarity (Mozart's were half that length at most) >implying that the majority of people in the past weren't listening to simple three-minute folk songs >implying longer music = better music
And, finally >posts image of Aphex "post-African repetitions" Twin while advocating for complexity in music
Cooper Brown
it's true. if people want meaning from words they should just read books.
Ayden Perry
it's just a story being told over simplistic music. why not read a good work of fiction and listen to well-crafted music instead of combining the two into a mediocre piece of 'art'.
Jonathan Clark
>No lyrics in classical music Ask me how I know you're a pseud.
Nolan Watson
>No lyrics in classical music because it is music >what is opera >what is choral music >what are hymns
Tyler Cruz
>Greek literature (epic and lyric(!) poetry and drama) was always recited alongside musical accompaniment. for the pleb masses >the most important opera composers stressed the importance of the words and story for the pleb masses >implying that the majority of people in the past weren't listening to simple three-minute folk songs because they were fucking plebs >implying longer music = better music now that's just a pleb thing to say
Lucas Turner
why not do both?
Brayden Cruz
litearlly dont exist. you just made them up
Christian Allen
Fascinating arguments
Nolan Gomez
>No lyrics in classical music OMG the retard, learn your music Also: >But it is not only the music that degenerates with the addition of lyrics, but also vice versa, since the requirements of the melody What is poetry? You really are a disgrace PSEUD!
Benjamin Baker
I just realized that those are bear costumes in the background of this photo and not distant mountains. Also you're retarded.
Austin Hernandez
What about artist like Kanye West who are criticized lyrically when they are often praised for the music they create?
Xavier Bell
Trigger Warning: Black Pill ahead. ----------------------------------------------- There's no such things as PLEB or PATRICIAN tastes There's only YOU and how, when, where and why YOU listen something Otherwise it doesn't matter what you listen, you are listening it WRONG
David Evans
no shit, it's almost like it's a meme or something.
Jonathan Rodriguez
do you forget that words have sounds as well as meaning? words allow modulation of the human voice. it is because of this modulation we can discern different words in the first place. they SOUND different.
so speech is decoding sound into meaning
which is what you said music was.
Jack Young
OP is obviously retarded, but I agree that people who take lyrics into account when judging any piece of music are massive plebs.
Nicholas Phillips
>they're plebs because I say so the fucking state of Sup Forums
Jayden Powell
Guess how I know OP never read poetry. Poetry can convey more feelings than a song or a composition could
Justin Bailey
prove you're not a pleb
Josiah Rivera
Dude, pretty sure the first music was probably someone singing.
Nicholas Watson
it's okay to like lyrical music; just don't call music that focuses on lyrics as good music just because the lyrics make you emotional. if the music isn't good then the song isn't good.
music can convey even more feelings.
Parker Richardson
the first music was the sounds of nature long before vocal cords existed. vocals just imitate the sound of wind.
Alexander Mitchell
isnt this debunked?
Juan Howard
t. unmusical person
Hunter Nguyen
It's almost as if both the written word and melody can convey feeling and it's almost like it's possible to combine the two to amplify the effect.
Caleb White
Talking over music is like farting on your dinner to give it some flavor. It is literally counter intuitive.
Asher Rodriguez
To combine a melody with a beautiful lyric, is a defining element of mankind. The recording industry makes no effort to promote music. Indeed, it would sell sound recordings of dogs being boiled alive, if it would get them shekels. >and that was Fuang Chow with his new top 40 single "boiling a Shiatsu". This is a matter of an underwhelming culture dragging down the advancements of a superior culture. Not all cultures mix well.
Nathaniel Turner
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Carter Moore
really triggered a lot of nu male blue-pilled soyboy bugmen cucks with this thread. kek
Brandon Davis
the problem is when people call mediocre poetry or any poetry 'good music' when the actual music is dull
Parker Foster
you, a plebeian: words and story are important to music because lyric poetry
Friedrich Nietzsche, scholar of antiquity:
Eli Cruz
>it's just a story being told over simplistic music Confirmed for never listening to folk. Good folk has intricate music.
Nathan Parker
I like his music but god does he have a punchable face.
Andrew Martinez
you're the reason people don't like Aphex fans
Cameron Peterson
cunt's a pleb, what are you going to do
Chase Myers
>When lyrics are introduced, they dominate the listener's ear
>Shoegaze >Blackgaze >Certain derivatives of heavy metal including but not limited to >Black Metal >Grindcore >Some sludge/doom metal acts
Levi Roberts
That's exactly why we musical people like those genres so much. Vocals are used as an additional instrument instead of as lyrics.
Connor Ortiz
>omg like i cannot believe he doesn't know certain varieties of classical music have lyrics in them >mentions opera in same paragraph fucking idiots, try looking up the word "exaggeration" and then tell me how you think it could apply here
Juan Sullivan
i always saw the lyrics as a form of subverting standard language usage, it frees up the mind to hear the music.
Jose Evans
>words and story are important to music because lyric poetry Sorry, but I didn't say this and I actually disagree with that statement.
Kayden Nelson
You're the retard here, he isn't "exaggerating", he's making a blatantly false statement. Here's your (YOU) now get the fuck out.