Europe is leading toward far right

>Europe is leading toward far right.
>we're leading toward far left.

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is not grillo against refugees?

He is literally a communist.

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I just don't get why Farage supports him.
Any ideas?

>Europe is leading toward far right.
Are they really? Seems like the EU as a whole has been in nonstop cuckmode for a good long while now.

to be fair, Europe has the worst case scenario RIGHT NOW. in the US it isnt nearly that bad, despite having drifted left over the past few years. it hasnt hit rock bottom yet

in Germany they say he was an anti -Nazi euro lol

So why would people vote for him? Do Italians like being flooded with thousands of niggers every single week?

Seems pretty based to me when I google search for him.

I still don't get how people are taking this guy seriously.
Votiamo il primo buffone che urla in piazza viva il comunismo.

bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-33167343 The leader of Italy's anti-establishment Five Star Movement has sparked outrage over a tweet which appeared to equate migrants with rats.

Comedian-turned-politician Beppe Grillo has been calling for Rome's mayor to step down, and on Wednesday tweeted that there should be an election as soon as possible "before Rome is swamped by rats, rubbish and illegal immigrants", La Repubblica reports. A few hours and a lot of criticism later, Mr Grillo deleted the tweet and posted an amended version, keeping the rats and the rubbish, but ending with "illegal immigrant camps run by the mafia".

Unfortunately for Mr Grillo, social media users aren't easily fooled. "Rest assured that we have not lost the first version. How disgusting," one Twitter user writes. "The damage is done, dear Five Star Movement press office," says another. One person says the amended tweet is a "cure that's worse than the disease". A few defended the politician - one writes that while unpleasant, his tweet highlighted three issues local people are worried about.

The former comedian is no stranger to controversy, often publishing provocative material on his blog. In September, he posted an image of Interior Minister Angelino Alfano "blacked up", in a blog post criticising Italy's immigration policy. He also compared Prime Minister Matteo Renzi's leadership to Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of the downed Germanwings plane. But his party - the second largest in Italy's lower house of parliament - continues to fare well at the polls.

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He isn't a commie, he's worse.
He's a commie that thinks the internet and alternative media sources are the universal truth.
He is a retard and deserves the gas chamber.

Immigrants, Italy? No thanks

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If he's anti rapefugee then he's alright by me, I don't give a fuck about his economical policies, as long as Italy stays Italian...or as much as it can with thousands of niggers have been flooding in every week for years now.

>We are all leading towards ww3

I'm still baffled that europe doesn't fucking have a central government to fucking shut the mouth of idiots like merkel.
There would have never been any problem if someone slapped her face when she was about to say "rapefugees welcome".

European union as it is is a worthless joke, we need a european president like every fucking civilized nation, a president that will make europe great again.

When this guy looks like a reasonable alternative to one third of your electors you know your politics are fucked.
Though I like to think people voting for him just do it to see everyone else lose their shit in confusion, kinda like Trump, only actually a moron instead of pretending to be one.

How the fuck are the decent politicians going to fix this shit when they finally come to power and stop letting them in?
I mean, unless something big happens and we start fucking genociding them, all those niggers are going to make babies for generations.
And yes, I know we could deport them but we all know that's going to end in genocide too since they're not going to get on the boat like the gud bois they claim they are.
tl;dr: pls let me kill all the niggers.

>it's blatantly offensive to say you don't want ILLEGAL immigrants in your country in Europe

JUST

Many of them get killed down south by our resident criminal friends if that makes you feel better.

The European Committee Against Hatespeech wants to have a word with you :^)

Because he also wants to leave the EU
See:

>How the fuck are the decent politicians going to fix this shit when they finally come to power and stop letting them in?
Politicians? I guess they will ''fix'' it by using all the money they got from people like Soros to buy into a gated community with armed guards.

>we need a european president like every fucking civilized nation

But I don't want Europe to be a nation

>Italy
you'll be alright. You guys have always maintained your culture and pride so just keep on as usual and keep tossing bottles at these nutjobs. Trust me, if we had just properly shamed these retards over here in the states we'd never be in this situation.

He's not a communist, what the fuck are you on about? I mean I would not vote for him but calling things communist randomly reminds me of "everything I do not like is Hitler".

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Labels are just names, what matter are the policies.

Would rather live in the communist (that was white and conservative) East Germany, than in modern Germany.

should be "manifesdo" imo

i remember him saying that immigration should be regulated/limited.
but i don't think the voters of the m5s will follow him on that.
And that's the point: while the movement itself is not leftist per se (grillo always brings up Switzerland as the country to take as example), the majority of its voters are ex-left voters which will likely, consequentially, disapprove straying from the conventional left policies

what's m5?

That's because you're a cuck lead by a woman.
No worries mate, enjoy being sweden 2.0.

Come on, it's 2016!

Doesnt seem to me like europe is heading far right. All the far right parties keep getting btfo.

his party always votes for "refugees welcome" stuff tho

Damn Italy, you're my only hope in case that Podemos win the elections in Spain. You're the only based Western European country left, please don't fall to leftist scum

Technically they are the green party of Italy, only that they dont like the EU

sorry, i used the italian acronym:
"Movimento 5 stelle" is the italian name for the Five stars movement.

The "far right" for lolyuropeans is still pretty far to the left of Sanders. Those poor bastards are so far into their own hugbox,they can't conceive of a different path than the destructive one they're on.

If you are talking about FN and FPO, "almost winning" is way ahead of "getting 15 % of the votes"

This, especially in Britain

Also the far right isn't rising unfortunately. The furthest right in Uk, UKIP, is like a moderate democrat.

not really

the left vs right is cultural, not economical

otherwise nazis are left-wing, and open-border libertarians are somehow far-right

>real screaming
What the fuck lol

Merkel IS the central eu government, you fucking Federalcuckist
Europe is not a nation.

>M5S
>left calls them nazis
>right calls them communists

Portugal and Italy's left seems to be more like the old school commie left than the pseudo intelectual left like Sweden has

left and right have no meaning anymore.
also my uncle was a communist since forever and was against the "open doors" policy that, for example angela merkel, leader of germany's center-right wing, endorsed/endorses.

What part of her beliefs are even semi right wing?

'He also compared Prime Minister Matteo Renzi's leadership to Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of the downed Germanwings plane.'

>Crashing Italy with no survivors

Grillo confirmed for top irl baneposter.

But there is no common European people. There is no demos for a democracy all over the continent. The EU has been a braindead idea from the very start.

Germans want low inflation, Italians high inflation.
Germans want order, Italians are anarchic.
Germans want high federalism, Italians more centralism.
We have different work ethics, different values and norms and vastly different economies.

In what world does a common policy for such a vastly diverse continent any sense? Didn't Italy fare best when it was a bunch of city states in the north?
The EU has been one of the worst ideas that ever plagued this continent. Literally worse than communism. I hate the EU. I don't want a common currency, foreign policy, open borders, freedom of movement or a common military or any of that shit. Free trade is ok with me when we operate on different currencies/banking systems.

On ecomonics, yes, on other issues, no.

For example, from my observations of US politics it seems like mainstream republicans (Romney, Gingrich, Jeb, Rubio) routinely call for amnesty for illegal immigrants. If the current labour leader were to seriously propose that here, the labour party would not get elected for many years.

They do have meaning

Left-wing = anti-white, pro-mudslimes
Right-wing = pro-white, anti-mudslimes

that is all there is to it

btw the EU sees left and right by who is pro refugees or not

if FN had the same economical views but was pro-immigration it would be seen as a center/left-wing party

The same applies with USA

Trump is to the left of Clinton on trade and government intervention, but he is far right because he wanna make a wall

People here sometimes lose the fact that polarizations change with changing eras, the liberalism vs communism economical spectrum belongs on the Cold War, just like the monarchists ve republicans one belongs on the french revolution

Right now, the spectrum is pro-white vs anti-white

this. literally this.

Also, for the ones who doesn't think that Grillo is a communist, please, explain how someone whowants to give free income shit to everyone by taxing workers is not a communist.

> explain how someone whowants to give free income shit to everyone by taxing workers is not a communist.

sounds more like left-wing technocratic statism than communism

didn't communist speak against class parasitism?

the problem of mass poverty will have to be faced at some point, as working opportunities will keep shrinking at increasingly-faster pace (robotization will take huge steps in the upcoming decades). its inevitable.

now, we can apply the "brazilian" solution, with militarized rich areas for the few "lucky" that got a job, surrounded by endless favelas; or we come up with another idea. i guess killing ourselves en masses, that will solve the problem too.

nature already takes care of that with lower european birthrates

the core of the problem is "refugees welcome"

it really isnt lol

and some right wing parties are really center-left EU vassals

To clarify further:
Usually there is a major political direction that's being struggled about. You have given several examples. This topic determines the political spectrum and projects it down to a 1-dimensional scale where the two directions of this major struggle are denoted as left or right. After the fall of the UdSSR the conflict about liberalism vs communism has been decided -- at least that's how the political landscape presents itself in the west. The new topic that took the prime political battlefield is about national identity/immigration/multiculturalism/diversity. This whole complex.
That left here means pro-immigration and against nation states is rather arbitrary. Short after WW2 the left was very much against mass immigration of people because it drove down wages. And that is despite the fact that the leftist ideology at that time aligned itself with communism/socialism which is, almost always, internationalist.
It's a strange irony of history that right nowadays means anti mass-immigration, against multiculturalism. It seems to me that when one era of a prime political dichotomy is decided the labels left and right get reassigned to whatever positions the old left/right take towards the new emerging political divide. That means, rather arbitrarily.

Fuck the EU. At least Berlesconi wasn't a complete cuck.

yeah but far right will never actually win

it is not that arbitrary

As a general rule, you will have people interested in national / cultural / biological struggle for survival and continuity in the right, and people interested in the dissolution of such continuity in the name of egalitarianism

The first divide was between those that wanted to ensure the continuity of the monarchic institution against those that wanted to abolish it in the name of republican egalitarianism

The second divide was between those that see Capitalism as a way to allow Natural Selection to ensure the best possible outcome for the markets, what we call Capitalism; and those thart wanted to ensure that there were no winners nor losers in the economy, the egalitarian communists

And now you have those that wanna ensure the biological survival of their nation states, against those that wanna see their nation states dissolved into a blob of egalitarian global brown humanity

The divide is a divide between Darwin and Rousseau, between Nietzsche and Marx

Why not?

In Austria they were damn close, and they were kinda close in Calais

everytime they found a way to go around

agree, pic related

ok. I recognise that there's a common meme like egalitarianism that survives throughout the evolution of a political group. I hate egalitarianism, btw.
But there are still things to explain. The Republicans were the one's who fought against slavery and today they are the "racist" party. In Germany the social democrats were about (technical) progress and therefore pro nuclear power, while the conservative party started out being sceptical of the risks. Nowadays it's completely turned around.
Can't see how that's not arbitrary.

> The Republicans were the one's who fought against slavery and today they are the "racist" party.

Because the parties exchanged constituencies under Nixon and his "southern strategy".

Given that the words "republican" and "democrat" are generic, very few people cared about the bizarre inversion

When it comes to nukes tho, it is rather arbitrary, and the social democrats becoming anti-nuclear power is associated with the green and animal-rights movement fusing with the left during the 70s, but that does not necessarily mean there is anything left-wing about being anti-nuclear

for how long

Long time no see italy.

Wasn't there some comedian that got like the second place the last elections? What was that all about?

Also, how deep is the mafia's influence these days? Are they very much alive?

>Beppe Grillo
>Beppe
>Pepe

The Democrats abandoned white southerners in the 60s when LBJ decided it would be better to place blacks on the Dem plantation than continue to run on racism, segregation, anti-bussing, jim-crow, anti-civil rights. White southerners were disaffected and gravitated to GOP as a result.