Can someone explain exactly why Russia should be considered an adversary of the United States...

Can someone explain exactly why Russia should be considered an adversary of the United States? They haven't been a communist nation since 1989, in case you didn't know.

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Some (well, I) would argue that Russia hasn't been communist since 1937.

Anyway it's not about "being communist", whatever the fuck that means. It's about screwing around with other countries and assassinating people on others' sovereign land.

Yes, I know, the US does all that too. But this isn't a discussion about relative morality. This is a discussion about whether these two nations should consider one another adversaries.

Why can Russia not be an ally of the United States? What is the real stumbling block here

That's a good case. But to be fair, we're the ones that keep messing with Russian backed Assad. If it were up to me I'd get all US forces out of the Middle East, but Israel demands us there, just as they demand us be enemies to fuel the military-industrial complex.

Russia is an authoritarian oligarchy, which explains why the American right views them as allies. But Russia is the enemy of all who want a free society.

They are a dictatorship that is bent on toppling the stability of governments. That's not a country you want to be allied with.

>They are a dictatorship
Can you prove this assertion?

They shouldn't. We just can't take responsibility for anything we do and need a scapegoat.

>bent on toppling the stability of governments
I dunno, they seem pretty isolationist.

lol
B8 so thin and light even water flows right thru it

because hillary won the popular vote

The whole Russia/USA beef is manufactured as an excuse to keep the arms race going. Behind closed doors, they're all buddies. It's like wrestling; they aren't actually enemies; that's just an act. All part of the show, folks.

Jews dont like russia for some reason

Why did you respond then?

Also the russia-usa beef is really about syria. And syria is really about the mideast . Which is really about oil money and power

>It's about screwing around with other countries and assassinating people on others' sovereign land.
In other words, it's based entirely on fake news.

Yet you suck apartheid Israel and cunt-chopper Saudi dicks all day long. That can't be the right answer.

>really about oil money
Not seeing the bigger picture. Typical, small-thinking Sup Forums.

Ask the Krrmlin, and the Russian state owned press. Every time Russian relations improve between our leaders, they return to Moscow and issue statements inflaming tensions again pitting the US as a hostile aggressor again. It's exactly the same methodology Khrushchev used and it started immediately after Medvedev, and has reached a fever pitch unseen in half a century. Russia has no reason to do so, and stands to gain nothing. But it feeds Putins growing concerns about being removed by a US backed coup causing the Russuan culture collapsing in a revolution bigger and bloodier than any in its history. As far as anyone can tell, it doesn't come from the Kremlin, it only comes from Putin. You'll have to ask him to be sure, otherwise all you can do is take his statements and actions, which point to this extreme grave concern.

In case you didn't know.

Probably to take a jab at how flimsy it is.
Not exactly rocket science.

Are you going to respond to this post, too?

I check RT every day and they say more nice things about US than CNN and Fox News about Russia

The US certainly had zero compunction in toppling stable governments in South America and the Middle East. Russia would not want to be allied with that.

That reason is >muh eretz Yisrael

Literally why tho? There is literally no sensible reason for them to go and do something like that. That and the instant identification of "the" aggressor is reason to believe this is a scam being run.

Russia has a tiny shattered economy smaller than Italy has. And since switching to capitalism they have a fully corrupt oligarchy of rich thugs brutalising the country and its population t project strength. They look white and are good at math but they're niggers in every other way and poison everything they touch.

You want to live like a fucking hillbilly in the 1930s, try living in Russia today. Without the Eastern Europeans untied by Soviet Union, Russia is beet farmers and psychopaths with a shitload of weapons and nuclear missiles living in desperation.

Sure.
Happy?

I bet we're dealing with a bot here.

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How you doing Russian shill? How about fucking off?

Again, fuck off Russian shill.

'Cause Putin's an aggressive, power-hungry fuck.

>And since switching to capitalism
Courtesy of neoliberal Clinton, let us remember.
>they have a fully corrupt oligarchy of rich thugs brutalising the country and its population t project strength
Get your own house in order.
>desperation

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Yeah, because thats RT being broadcast in English. Pick up a paper, listen to our radio, watch any of our news. Learn where the concept of "fake news" and "information wars" actually came from. It's like you boys were born yesterday and are hearing about this for the first time and can't believe there's 50 years of it before you arrived on the scene. Is funny, but sad.

Looks like the jews woke up...

>Pick up a paper, listen to our radio, watch any of our news.
Nice try State Department

>toppling the stability of other governments

fights civil war on the side of a stable government in Syria.

t. brainlet.

Clinton wasn't president when communism fell dickwad.

Checked

Courtesy the will if the Rusdian people. Hate to break it to you, but Clinton & Reagan didn't end the Soviet Union, the peoples desire for rock and roll and blue jeans and playboys did.

>the retard thinks socialism was still an option after it caused the collapse of their economy
Dunce.

No, but he was president when Yeltsin and the oligarchs started looting the place.
Also, kill yourself, neoliberal.

Yes, the whole world is just an extension of your tiny little perception of it. Way to stay stupid forever.

Kill yourself, neoliberal.

While everyone else is dealing with your faggotry

>i just learned this word today so i'm going to call you it

Keep being ignorant. The oligarchs emerged in the 80s during the Reagan era when Gorbachev loosened market restrictions in the USSR.

But hey, keep drinking the dumbass wingnut "CLINTON IS TO BLAME FOR ALL MY PROBLEMS" fuckwitted kool aid that Alex Jones has been serving you for years.

lol
>socialism caused the collapse of the soviet unions economy
>not the US leading the entire fucking world in a 50 year long economic war against it trying to destroy it

Ok then. What year will you start high school user?

Thinking it's just about communism.

>Being this basic.

>just saying words where they don't even vaguely apply
Time to learn what a classical liberal and a neoliberal are.

youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA&t=80s

newstatesman.com/world/2018/03/forget-facebook-russian-agents-have-been-pretending-be-furries-tumblr

google.com/search?ei=aE68WsigGIWazwK2waiIAQ&q=russian culture subversion&oq=russian culture subversion


These are just a few reasons as to why russia is not and probably wont be a friend of the US for atleast a hundred years

TLDL, Russia is the reason our country is completely split right now. They have had KGB operations to subvert our culture and make us all hate eachother for over 30 years now. The proof is out there all you have to do is look for litterally 5 seconds. If you dont believe me then seriously, do your own research. If you do your own research and still dont believe me then atleast you arent as ignorant as before.

So what you're saying is, they lost the economic war because they were socialist instead of capitalist? Wow, it's almost as if that's what I said and you're treading water like a defeated bitch nigger...

America the Rapist

You expect me to believe all this Russiagate bullshit?

>winning is LITERALLY rape!
Children under 25 are insufferable.

>capitalism was a good boy dindu nuffin
You're still economically right-wing and should still kill yourself.

No, not really. I expect you to sit back and pretend nothing is happening.

Competing is literally a mental illness.

That's why the left hates them, they abandoned communism, most on the right either see them as allies or just don't care.

Russian and North Korea are currently being labeled as the enemy throughout all the mainstream media. So if the us government does a massive false flag attack like they tend to do they have their scapegoats in place already

'fake news' is the new democratic party push to impose censorship and squelch contrary voices. pls do try to keep up

>the jewish press
Dude, give up. We already know this is the Democrat Party's version of Benghazi being deployed to fight off the left.
Since you're on board with a major party, at last we know you have no sense of decency.
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

I actually like Russia and think Putin is an alright guy. They're very up front about most of their intentions and Putin loves his country. There's corruption out the ass but I blame that on the shockwaves of the 80's and the smaller local governments being irregulated. Over everything, a leader that loves his country and it's people is a big thing, I don't give a fuck about your paranoid conspiracies. Obama fucking hated America and Americans, Bush and Clinton loved America but used it to further their own power, and who knows what's really going on with Trump, but at least you can look at Putin and say he's always had his homeland in his heart.

It's in the man's eyes.

Competing is literally the basis of the social structures which are the basis of civilization. You're dumb. Your entire family is dumb. That's why you're all losers.

Don't get me wrong, there's shit going on, I just don't believe Russia has anything to do with it.

"Whoa, we really fucked X up...we'll tell them Russia did it! Yeah!"

The fact that Putin is clearly a dictator and we believe in democracy.

>left
No, they're the soft right. They hate them because they're liberals trying to play statecraft and make war for their funders in the IC and arms makers.

A fair guess, If the video I posted of the man from the kgb wasnt from like 15 years ago.

Kek, no, you're thinking of cooperation.

Not be an autistic fuck like you? Look at the history of Russia in the past 30 years maybe a little? 135% voter turnout is pretty indicative of a dictator.

If you like documentaries then just watch the youtube video. Its no harm and you can laugh at it all you wish

How's the weather in Moscow, Ivan?

Russia has been behind social discord in the US since the 60s.

The democrats are the left, you fucking moron.
And quit parroting that word you just learned today, you windowlicking retard.

Like the US government actually gives a shit.

We have a long history of giving absolutely zero fucks about whether or not your country is led by thugs, as long as they're "our" thugs. Just ask Saddam Hussein.

ITT: A group of russian shills and the 2 brainlets that agree with them.

Hillary bots aren't exactly what I'd call soft right. I mean compared to Bernie Bros I guess they are, and in the scheme of world politics almost all Americans are right wing, but in America Democrats and the like are considered left.

No, I'm thinking of hierarchical leadership structures which are determined by competition and are the guiding force behind civilization. Don't presume to tell someone smarter than you what they're thinking. You're simply not equipped.

fuck, you're stupid.

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competing empires. also russia is a truly horrible county and an enemy to most living humans.

Because oil in Crimea and pipelines. Wish it was still the day of Empires where you didn't necessarily have to fund and arm radical Islamists on the sly to get what you want.

There sure are a lot of huge fucking retards here pretending to know something about politics.

You guys are so fucking stupid this should be in a cringe thread. Jesus Christ, Sup Forums.

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>he actually believes that meme
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

But they are. They believe in individualism (for themselves) and in lording it over others.
I don't give a fuck what ignorant Americans consider. They don't dictate the color of the sky. Now stop lying.

Kill yourself, Platonist.

Member that time Putin assassinated that guy in the UK with a chemical weapon?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures

Are you just trying to sound as stupid as humanly possible?

a five second google search will serve you well, its not my job to tell you what to think. if you are truly interested you will find the answers on your own

Since '45 it hasn't simply been Russia v USA. It's been Russia (plus all it's allies) v USA (plus all it's allies) and the way you make allegiances is by constructing a complicated patchwork of treaties, trade deals and military/defence agreements to strengthen your influence in strategically important areas of the world. You think the USA is friendly with Turkey just because they feel like it or like the colours of their flag? It's very important to have a stable, friendly state on the southern flank of Russia right near their Black Sea fleet incase bad shit goes down. Same reason why the USA is friendly with Australia - doesn't hurt to have a big, friendly Sheriff in the Pacific in case, surprise surprise, bad shit goes down with China.

USA can't just turn around to Russia and say "let's be friends" without violating, at the very least, the spirit of cooperation between friendly nations that they may count on for advantageous reasons in the future. At worst, the USA might be violating decade-old treaties (like NATO), which would set a horrible precedent for making any future treaties. Would anyone want to team up with a turncoat who will stab you in the back when it's politically convenient? Vice-versa with Russia.

Countries are hostage to history and geography, and unfortunately the bed that the Russians and American made post '45 is the bed they will have to lie in for the foreseeable future.

Don't take this as a moral judgement. It's just the lay of the land and a general explanation as to why it's so difficult for major world powers to just "wipe the slate clean" and jump in bed with any country they deem nice on that particular day.

>smarter than me
>pastes Peterson shit

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It's your job to make an argument, not paste innuendo. Kill yourself, State Department shill.

Yeah, that's it. Great job, Einstein.

bait as thin as trumps hair

Kill yourself, Brzezinski.

Trump is actually the end result of this demoralization.

Have you considered looking into it yourself and thinking critically or are you too used to being spoon fed?

The mainstream of the Democratic Party is basically "soft right". The "progressive wing" is basically center-to-center-left. Anyone calling them "socialists" is an idiot.

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Remember the investigation into that assassination that couldn't conclusively prove Putin was behind it, but you just jumped to a conclusion anyway because the leftist media told you to hate some guy in Russia you've barely heard of?

Pepridge Farm remembers.

Well said

>Peterson is the only person that thinks something and his ideas are revolutionary
Stay in school, little kid. Maybe you'll get exposed to something you haven't read about on the internet, millennial.

well proof wont come from an arguement. thats just silly, and no i wont go searching for documents for you lmao thats also stupid as hell