LOTR

So i just finished marathoning the entire trilogy in director's cut over the last couple days and my question is this: Will we ever see another epic kino-tier high fantasy trilogy such as this one within this century - Why or why not? Moreover why didn't the hobbit trilogy live up to the standard set by the original one? What other tolkien works can be explored in the future, if any? Let's discuss ITT

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The Extended Editions are not Director's Cuts, Peter Jackson has gone on record that the Theatricals are his director's cuts.

And he's right about that because the theatrical cut is way superior over the bloated mess that is the extended cuts.

Also OP. Not in this political climate. LOTR was great because it didn't have to pander to political sensibilities. It just followed the story of the books and did it well. A modern LOTR would play out completely differently, as witnessed by The Hobbit.

>What other tolkien works can be explored in the future, if any? Let's discuss ITT

None, they only the rights to LOTR and The Hobbit and The Tolkien Estate won't sell anything else.

*only have

>Moreover why didn't the hobbit trilogy live up to the standard set by the original one?
Because it tried to honestly. If it had the same focus of sticking to the source material as the first one did, rather than trying to be as grand and epic as the original trilogy, it would have been much better.

>Leslie jones cast as samwise

>the theatrical cut is way superior over the bloated mess that is the extended cuts
Maybe for The Two Towers, and to a certain extent The Return of the King, but The Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition was far superior.

Ok I can agree to that. The FOTR has that really nice Beren and Luthien song.

>What other tolkien works can be explored in the future, if any?

they are terribley paced and bad in general for wide normal not autistic audiences

for autists who want to see every single paragraph of the books recreated with nice visuals and decent acting anything is 'better' when its 'more'

remake this kino live action
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>"Get out of my friend Sauron!"
>*slaps Boromir*
>"The power of Samwise compels you!"

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They couldn't even get the Hobbit right. How in God's name could justice be done to The Silmarillion?

Something tells me most film-going audiences won't want to sit through thirty minutes of a black screen overlaid with singing as the universe is being created.

never ever

Has someone managed to put out a competent one movie edit of The Hobbit yet?

I know there's gotta be something decent in the footage we have, it's just fucked over WB wanting three tentpole flicks.

Just cram all that initial stuff into a montage, voila.

2001 came close

all it takes is some bravery and idiocy on the producers part

They could keep it self contained mostly

I guess it might not translate well to film

i'd watch that

Try either "Hobbit Tolkien Edit" or "There And Back Again: A Hobbit's Cut"

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aren't the original books already pretty political?? It's pretty much about nazis and shit mate

Nah.

Watch the appendices. The mixture of the chemistry among the cast, the dedication of the staff (particularly Weta workshop holy fuck), and the sheer amount of resources poured into it...nothing like it will ever happen again. It was like the perfect storm of creating a great fantasy movie and I don't think there's any other fantasy series that will ever inspire that sort of passion in a cast and crew again.

>So i just finished marathoning the entire trilogy in director's cut over the last couple days
Nigger, I marathoned that shit in a single night. We had 15 people, surround sound, and a bigass screen. Only I stayed awake by sunrise when RotK ended.

You lotrfags circlejerking make me laugh every fucking time. I know you are all 14-17 but stop acting thirteen. Only fellowship of the ring was any good

Why couldn't those fucks wait until all the movies were out in HD quality? Now we're stuck with the maple films version.

No they're not. They're apolitical. Tolkien in fact hated when people tried to make his books political. He thought they were greater than that. And honestly, I wish the idea that everything needs to be politically analyzed to die. This is why so many movies are blatant leftist pandering because people always read political motives or desire them. Sometimes a fantasy is just a fantasy.

This. The appendices really highlight how passionate every fucking person that works on film. The concept artists, the writers the actors, WETA. Every mother fucker was on board with Peters vision and Viggo was the glue that held it all together.

Tolkein would say that because he doesn't want his movie tied to any obvious racial aspects but you can see real life inspiration in a lot of instances and Tolkien probably also didn't want to force an observation on any person but if you're smart enough you can easily figure it out

*books
I'm retarded

>Why or why not?
LotR is a high-fantasy 9 hour journey that "normies" still could sit through because it was done so well and that's fucking unique. I can't think of any film, let alone trilogy, that has managed to bring this level of nerd shit to the masses. And to top it all off it even got a huge budget and a great cast. I don't know how everything went so right and why it managed to appeal to the masses despite featuring extensive swordfights, epic speeches and made up languages.
So tldr I think LotR was an outlier, something that everybody liked despite it going quite deep which is a combination we won't see again

It was also easy to market as a family friendly movie + all the kids parents read the hobbit in highschool perfect timing for member berries

>maple films version
best one anyway

>Will we ever see another epic kino-tier high fantasy trilogy such as this one within this century
Yes of course someone will butcher Silmarillion when Chris Tolkien gives up.
Children of Hurin will come first because edgy. Resets the stupid factor.
Probably will be exceptional.
They'll fuck up Beren and Luthien.

Spacedog Huan

>the entire trilogy in director's cut over the last couple days
>the last couple days

well then you didn't exactly marathon it did you

Was that on October 22nd? Were you at my LOTR marathon?

It's amazing that LOTR trilogy actually happened the way it did. A bunch of nerds got a fuckhuge budget and spent it on getting the best specialists in every field and supplying them with everything they needed. This doesn't normally happen with movies.

If you watch the bonus material, it's clear how much heart all those people put into these movies. The Hobbit trilogy didn't have that.

Pic fucking related.

n-no, it was 3 years ago

Star hound

Lol oh okay. You missed out bro, we had a meal before and after each film with tea, 4 bags of pipeweed for all the guests to fill their pipes with, and drinking games tailored to each movie.

One of our best drinking rules was "every time a character blows on a horn, drink mead from a horn." There are a lot of fucking horns over those 11 hours.

I've been thinking about what sets LOTR apart from other fantasy movies, including the hobbit. There are plenty of movies with better visuals, more interesting worlds, good acting etc

And from a writing perspective, I think what they did right was successfully translate all of the humanity from the books onto the screen.

They didn't need to waste time building up the world. They cut all of that stuff out and kept the important character stuff in.

I say this because about 6 months ago, I marathoned it myself. And thinking back, I barely remember any of the battle scenes. There was a big one at the end with elephants I think? I can't really name any iconic shots, or pieces of cinematography. I've can't even fully remember all the settings.

But what I do remember is the scenes of dialogue between the characters. I remember everything boromir said as he was dying. I remember Theoden mourning his son. I remember sam delivering his motivating speech to frodo at the end of the second film. I remember the sense of relief during the denouement. I remember even the small things like the "samwise the brave" line, or the banter between legolas and gimli.
Nothing else was that memorable.
And I think thats what a lot of other movies get wrong.

Like the hobbit. I think the battle scenes and visuals were more memorable than the character interactions, and thats not a good thing

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The only way they'll ever get that kind of inspiration out of the cast/crew is if they get the rights for The Silmarillion's material.

>There are plenty of movies with better visuals, more interesting worlds, good acting

I disagree completely with this statement, but the main point of your post is right. LOTR is quite possibly the most emotionally powerful movie ever made, and even after the 15th time watching it I still feel everything the characters and the music are conveying to the audience. I still cry like a bitch when Sam runs out to Frodo in the river as he is departing the Fellowship.

And then that little moment between Aragorn and Gandalf in TT when Aragorn says, "He didn't go alone. Sam went with him." And you see Gandalf's eyes get all bright and full of hope, immensely proud that Sam kept his promise.

meanwhile
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Reading your post friend. Considering it.

People don't realize that most of medieval fantasy stuff like D&D and Harry Potter and all that was based originally on Tolkein. It's the original and therefore the best. Everything else is just a copy.

The Hobbit was just a way for Jews to make money, it worked, I saw 'em, all fucking three

>staff just stops working suddenly because it's charged by fucking micro-USB or some shit
god damn this pathetic shit
there is honestly no excuse for this, I don't care that Jackson didn't have pre-production time this is pure fucking garbage

>and all that was based originally on Tolkein
Do you know where Tolkein got his inspiration from?

Now I'm crying for a different reason.

Nothing can top this now, it's all pure CGI as seen in the Hobbit.

His head

Are you for real nigga

Icelandic sagas. Norway outcasts and Irish and Scot concubines who were allowed to record their own history.
His head too tho. couldn't have happened otherwise.

Well, most of Tolkien's world is based germanic/nordic folklore, but with an original twist.

I watched a documentary that said that Tolkien was dissappointed that the English didn't have a deep, ancient folklore tradition in the same way that places like germany and scandinavia do.

The anglo-saxons invaded britain and wiped out celtic briton folklore, then the normans invaded and wiped out anglo-saxon folklore, then the industrial revolution happened a mere few hundred years later, so England never had the time to develop a folklore tradition.
So he took it upon himself to create his own English folklore.

And that's where "western fantasy" comes from.

>within this century
Pure odds are in favor of the next 80 years giving us something at least as good. I mean, that's three+ generations of new talent with their career goal being to surpass that benchmark. Most of them won't succeed, but some few are bound to have what it takes.

You may live long enough to see another try at LotR. Probably in the next ten years someone is going to be compelled to do a version of The Hobbit that isn't a joke.

Link it my American brother.

You might be surprised at how much of D&D comes out of sources other than Tolkien.
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The doc you watched, you mentioned.

>Ungoliant would look like a dark souls boss and have an epic battle
no pls

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It was a while ago, but it might have been the judi dench one

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I can see why Ian McKellen broke down crying during the Hobbit, I'd be fucking depressed too going from LoTR to some shitty green-screen mess

If anything the allegory is about world war 1, saying it relates to nazis and shit shows how utterly retarded you are.

And don't you dare say "the ring represents nuclear weapons" because that shit is highschool tier analysis. Just fuck off

>Will we ever see another epic kino-tier high fantasy trilogy such as this one within this century - Why or why not?

No. It's not going to come from hollywood as an original screenplay, and what is there to adapt that is both popular while actually being good?

Lord of the Rings is that weird outlier where it's extremely popular, but is actually a quality work. Most of popular contemporary fantasy is absolute trash.

To be fair......

The MCU is reaching its level

>marathoning
>over a couple days

marathoning is in one sitting. fucking pleb you disgust me.

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I'd say with doctor strange, the mcu has surpassed lotr desu senpai

Maybe as an HBO mini-series

*ba dum tsh*

We had Druids but the Roman empire made them and the vates extinct

Literal genocide but nobody cares because hurr Druids are just a stupid class in DnD games right?

>A modern LOTR would play out completely differently, as witnessed by The Hobbit.
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The timeframe in which it is made makes no difference. The studio just didn't allow them enough time to do it properly.

If they made a trilogy/duology of this, as well made as the lord of the rings, I would cream my pants. Better it not be made than to get a hack job like the hobbit. Peter Jackson, even before he entered that mess, didn't want to do it. It seems to me like Jackson isn't as much a fan of tolkien as he is a fan of the lord of the rings. The lord of the rings was his dream project and after finishing it he wanted others to step in if more tolkien was to be adapted. But the studio didn't want anyone else after del toro stepped down so then we got the mess that is the hobbit.

Is there any director that could do children of hurin/beren and luthien/silmarillion justice?

mitebegud
Who would play Turin? Who would be Nienor?

And the result is that I've watched it SO much I've wringed every god damn drop of enjoyment out of it.

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>saying it relates to nazis shows how retarded you are
Why?? It's not THAT far of a stretch its a very popular theory

James Dean and Amy Reid
you know why

Beleg

Fuck off retard.

“The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. If it had inspired or directed the development of the legend, then certainly the Ring would have been seized and used against Sauron; he would not have been annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-Dûr would not have been destroyed but occupied. Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth. In that conflict both sides would have held hobbits in hatred and contempt: they would not long have survived even as slaves.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien IN THE FUCKING FOREWORD TO LOTR

>the bloated mess that is the extended cuts.
Hardly. It added some fun scenes while also adding absolutely crucial scenes, particularly Faramir's flashback to Osgiliath, giving MAJOR character to Boromir, who in the theatrical cuts just comes off as a bit of a prick.

I think the theatricals ideally should be watched first though. It's a sort of Apocalypse Now - Apocalypse Now Redux scenario. Extended edition has too much info to take in.

>marathoning the entire trilogy in director's cut
>over the last couple days

pick one

you just watched them normally

>not being inspired by world war 2 doesn't mean he wasn't inspired by the nazis user but authors always have to say that shit because the parrells are obvious enough that it's going to sway people's perception especially back then when it was much more at the front of people's mind

He was inspired by WW1, the war he actually fought it, the war which killed his friends, the war which tore europe apart.

Only moronic Americans think WW2 was more important than WW1 in the psyche of the European at that time.

The loss of innocence of Hobbits relates to the loss of innocence of the British people in the great war.

You are merely showing off your ignorance. Read Tolkien's forewords and watch the making of bits from the LotR that talk about him before you spout off more drivel next time.

thats why you watch it with people who have never seen it and live vicariously through their wonder and enjoyment.

start with your qt gf

What you're missing from that quote is that he conflates the allied powers with the nazis. They are functionally indistinguishable in his eyes, particularly regarding their contempt for peace-loving free-folk.

FUCK OFF, You don't even have a gf.

tfw watched it with my first chubby retard gf and got no enjoyment out of it whatsoever

>being too retarded to enjoy LotR

Was she Terry Schiavo?

>women
>understanding lotr

My mum is a huge fan of LotR since her teen years.
>inb4 legolas
Her favourite character is Boromir

It's not just SJW shit but also quips and faggy humour that would ruin them if they made it again. The trilogy was great because it was sincere and pure without any kind of post ironic Jewish sarcasm polluting it.

So it is full of political shit?? Thanks for the heads up I haven't read the books
Real insightful you really challenged my opinion notice I actually gave points for my arguments
How would you even know if I was considering that or not?? Can you read minds over the Internet

I get drunk as fuck and eyes start leaking when Ian is pulling up into the shire. Everyone was happy and no worries but I know I KNOW. Things are gunna change. Rekt in the first 10 minutes.
Then fucking Aragorn mentions Luthien. Don't do that you Numenorian faggot.
No Beren and Luthien and Huan. No Feanor either. Books only.