These are the centerists of this board

These are the centerists of this board

he's back

subjective opinions are based on objective fact
some music is objectively shit

>uhhhh actually music is subjective
I unironically say this

Wanna touch my butt?

so do i, that's because a lot of it is

>OP likes a band and thinks they're good
>I hate that band and think they're bad
Yeah you're right music isn't subjective at all

Actually all of it is.
Actually none of it is.

this

music is for niggers
FACTS

No, they argue that they're opinion is objective fact. People such as this are not worth talking to

You're right

What's wrong with being centrist?

>it's objective that music is subjective
do you have a single fact to back up this statement?

give me a shit album

I personally think trying to argue with someone about how
>"(insert artist/genre/album here) is better than (blank)"
is pretty much useless. There's a very small chance they're just gonna be like;
>"You know what, user? You're right!"

no u

Yeah pretty much
Both those people and centrists are correct.

How you feel about music is ultimately subjective, but there are objective traits you should use to back up your opinions. Its mostly an excuse to not actually argue so people don't have to confront the fact that they have shit taste and don't think about anything they listen to.

Well... it is.

>their are objectively bad music

How do you objectively measure the quality of music?

I measure the quality of music by ambience mostly.

Objective facts of music:

>How many instruments are playing
>How many melodic lines are going on at the same time
>What the rhythms are (in at least some subdivision)

Somewhat objective facts of music:

>Which melody is more complex
>What rhythm is more complex
>Which harmonies are more creative
>Is it important/influential

Subjective parts of music:

>How does it make me feel
>Does it make me feel what it wants to make me feel

For instance: Compare TMR and Pink Moon.

Objectively:

>More instruments playing in TMR.
>More melodic lines going on at once.
>Pink Moon rhythms generally simple.

Somewhat objectively:

>The melodies of TMR are more complex with leaps and other unpredictable aspects.
>The rhythms of TMR are much more complex.
>The harmonies of TMR are much more creative.
>TMR is more important/influential.

Subjectively:

>Pink Moon is a much more emotive, resonant record.
>Both succeed at the intent but I feel Pink Moon is more successful.

art is not subjective i hate that opinion it redefines art as being someone's attempt at creativity rather than actual creativity

I think it's important to point out that a c note objectively makes people feel a certain way, and how using any notes intentionally in a composition to deliberately ellicit even more incredibly complex emotions and ideas relies soley on the biological and linguistical brain and it's apptitude for understanding auditory information in terms of the very nature of our reality itself, which ultimately relies on language itself, and our notion of our surroundings. How well this could be manipulated in my opinion could be interpreted as an objective science.

There is objectively good and bad music which can be enjoyed subjectively.

Kendrick Lamar's entire discography.

>He hasn't listened to gkmc

C doesn't make everyone feel the same way. There's a way that "C" sounds in Classical practice but that's more a Western, dogmatic approach to composition.

A person from India or Indonesia thinks entirely different about what a "C" means. The only objective thing about C is its frequency.

C makes everyone feel the same way in the same way that the letter "M" makes everyone feel the same way. In Indonesia they might have many different variations and the sound of the sound M or the note C but so do we, and each of these variations intertwine in and abstract part of the brain that associates noise with ideas.

does corey feldman's album count

name one thing about music quality that is demonstrably objective

I will wait

t. someone who has actually studied the concept of beauty

See

none of these objective traits are indications of actual QUALITY or BEAUTY, though

thiiiis

Its pretty easy to demonstrate whether a song is liked by a group of people more than another song at that moment.

DJs do it all the time

there is no such thing as good or bad without a subject

top kek at mu kiddie philosophers

One of you has shit taste.

unless a song is created that not a single person on earth dislikes in ANY way, than you cannot proclaim music is objective.