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Ban hwarz, aemblatai!

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half your people are literally niggers.

we are mostly lightish-brown

(Good afternoon, friends)

Why are you so butthurt?

what houre is it there?
it's 10;45 AM here

Are you russian or kazakh?

POO

we wuz tigraxauda n shiiet

Kazakh

13:49 here

I hate Semites.

sup lads

Can you guys rate all your neighbouring countries please? Im really interested

indians also call worshiping an idol, doing POOja
meme country, meme religion, meme genetics

didn't know that

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Indians are really thin skinned because of the caste system

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How are relations between ethnic kazakh and Kazakh Russians?

What are your relations with Mongolia?

What are topics do you cover while learning history in school?

Do Kazakh people have clans that they belong to? Is their any hierarchy in them?

How many people follow the nomadic lifestyle? Are any of your relatives following it?

This.

Rate the -Stans. Who are the most ''durka durka'', the weirdest, the most ''Turkic''....etc

Fucking hot! God damn my brown fetish is out of control.

well hello there neighbor. you a Turk?

in 10 mins, i'm on my laptop outside

let me go to a place i can't be seen.

Reminder that western iranians (iran/p*rsians) and t*rkics are natural allies.

Reminder that afghans and the shit that we wuz and (northern) indians and the shit they wuz are natural allies.

>mfw s*ss*n*ds and the g*kt*rks like snakes attacked the based Hepthalites (I wuz this)

Werent hephtalites turks themselves?

No, there's more evidence there of them being eastern iranian

True.

Fucking afghan U Wuz Everything. I think hepthalites were turks btw.

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reminder to stay away from medicine and healthcare fuck this gay earth and waking up this early because dequeesha dropped her kid

Kazakhstan - tons of oil, high HDI, high level of corruption, endless steppes. 3/5 best stan
Kyrgyz republic - somewhat democratic, great nature, high level of corruption, undeveloped poor shithole. 2/5
Cottonstan - Durka durka, somewhat poor, totalitarian shithole 2/5
Tajikistan - undeveloped poor authoritarian shithole which suffered a lot from civil war. 1/5 worst stan

You're as Persian as Iranians are tb.h. Probably more in fact since Afghanistan broke off from Safavid rule while Persian Sunni in Iran got genocided and replaced with Arab Shia.

fuck doctors
>muh referrals
>muh 6 month wait time
>muh retarded GPs

GET FUCKED

>UNITED ISLAMIC TURKO-PERSIAN KHORASAN.

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Thats pretty well drawn not gonna lie.

Kyrgyzbro, why do u accept Soviet map drawing? Also tell me about the most butthurt rivalries between the stans.

Some have claimed that some groups amongst the Hephthalites were Turkic-speakers.[8] Today the Hephthalites are generally held to have been an Eastern Iranian people speaking an East Iranian language.[19] The Hephthalites enscribed their coins in the Bactrian (Iranian) script,[20] held Iranian titles,[20] the names of Hephthalite rulers given in Ferdowsi's Shahnameh are Iranian,[20] and gem inscriptions and other evidence shows that the official language of the Hephthalite elite was East Iranian.[20] In 1959, Kazuo Enoki proposed that the Hephthalites were probably Indo-European (East) Iranians as some sources indicated that they were originally from Bactria, which is known to have been inhabited by Indo-Iranian people in antiquity.[13] Richard Frye is cautiously accepting of Enoki's hypothesis, while at the same time stressing that the Hephthalites "were probably a mixed horde".[21] More recently Xavier Tremblay's detailed examination of surviving Hephthalite personal names has indicated that Enoki's hypothesis that they were East Iranian may well be correct

not really, how are we defining "persian"? here are some
1. People originating from the pars tribe in what was once known as pars/fars
2. Any persian speaker that has no direct ancestry from other groups (i.e. parents and grandparents are native persian speakers/don't belong to another group)
3. People descending from fars (lets make an assumption that populations don't change completely, this means that actual descendants of the pars tribe are mostly found in fars with the degree of descent decreasing radially as you go away form fars)

if by 2 then sure, but that means persian isn't an ethnic group really since someone from fars has different ancestors from someone from mashhad so on and so forth

persians/tajiks in afghanistan descend from the same shit that pashtuns do, so clearly we're different with the only major overlap being between western afghanistan and eastern iran

>How are relations between ethnic kazakh and Kazakh Russians?
Normal, I think

>What are your relations with Mongolia?
A few Kazakh tribes have Mongolic origin. Mongolic influence in terms of linguistics is weak(a few words were adopted)

>What are topics do you cover while learning history in school?
Stone Age, Andronovo, Sakas and Sarmarians, Wusuns/Kangju and Xiongnu, the Turkic era, the Mongol era, the Kazakh Khanate, the Russian Empire, the USSR, Kazakhstan

>Do Kazakh people have clans that they belong to? Is their any hierarchy in them?
Yes, the Kazakh nation consists of them. Sure

>How many people follow the nomadic lifestyle? Are any of your relatives following it?
Few people(basically there are Kazakhs in China and Mongolia who follow it). No, not really

just read the last thread
cancer af, I don't think indians here are ironically religious hindus (if they are they should kys themselves)

>Normal, I think
sad, Russkies deserve genocide.

By the way, what you think about changing your alphabet to the Latin one?

blame the canadian healthcare system, I'm legit planning on dipping canada for nyc if I get into psych

>Sure
Could you elaborate please?

What do you do in Kazakhstan?

What has been your family's traditional profession? As in practiced by your grandpa and before.

What is the average height of people there? How tall are you?

Are horses common in urban regions?

How liberal is Kazakhstan in terms of relationships between boys and girls(dating,etc)? What about LGBT and atheism?

Do you have any conservative Muslims? Is shamanism gaining a foothold or are people content being Muslim?

Almost all of them are

Eeeh, it is a way of distancing from Russia, isn't it..

Anyway, I'd like to use the new alphabet. Maybe

> why do u accept Soviet map drawing?
And what's your proposal? A War? There are ~25 million uzbeks in uzbekistan and almost 1 million uzbeks lives in the south of KR. Military spendings in RUz are more than $1 billion which is equal to entire kyrgyz GDP.

Persian today means people who speak the Persian language, and come from traditional Persian countries.
Most Persian "tribes" come from the same people who lived in certain provinces. Fars people just called their province Fars, and these provinces were named to describe certain regions.
It's only cringelord out of touch diaspora who try to make it anything other than what it is.
Lurs speak a language closer to ancient persian than Fars do.
Like Arab means people who speak Arabic, not people who descend from Arabian tribes.
Islam and time in general have done a good job and mixed us all together. The concept of race or tribe is an outdated one from thousands of years ago which no longer exists in the modern world.
But since Afghans and Iranians have shared an identity predating Islam for us it goes back even further.

>The concept of race or tribe is an outdated one from thousands of years ago which no longer exists in the modern world.
You'll catch some flak for saying this but it's unironically true, the 'purest' people iirc are danes and norwegians (still mixed but not as mixed), everyone else is basically a mix of different groups that lived side by side with one another

How does Kyrgyz culture influence society and societal norms and practices?

For example the Chinese have something called guanxi, Japan have a culture of being subservient to people above them, etc. Are there any cultural elements that make Kyrgyz society unique?

Interesting.

From what I've read on post pre-islamic history, the iranian tribes such as the Persians, Parthians, Bactrians, Khwarezmians, Sogdians had related cultures, related languages, identified as aryans but still identified with that respective tribe they were from.

Post-islamic history, alot of the armies in persia and central asia consisted of arabs and convert persian soldiers who were at war with the final pockets of resistance within said tribes above. Due to the imminent threat to their languages/identity, most iranic peoples adopted the persian language/culture as a form of damage control. This explains why so many of the great scholars of persian ethnicity actually resided outside of what is now modern day iran and was also used synonymously with the word tajik.

Is the situation in the area stable? Or do you think its only a matter of time before it falls apart?

Yeah I once read that cyrus and his people were able to speak to bactrians and sogdians as they had a very similar language - it's probably because the languages of both groups ultimately comes from one ancestral language and the degree of splitting wasn't too far gone like with india

For once a reasonable post from you

Well almost everyone here lives in a right wing secular nationalist double think hugbox/echo chamber and ironically don't have both parents from the Fars province (not that it matters) themselves so that's not surprising.
By that logic Persia would be an extremely small place, and true Persians would have to natively be from Shiraz.
Also Afghans celebrate Nowruz right?
So I don't really see any difference between someone from Afghanistan and someone from Iran.
Iranians, Afghans, and Tajiks are all literally the same people

>Afghans
Afghans isn't an ethnic group though.

There are Turkmen and Uzbekh, Afghans, to which we have less in common then let's say Pashtuns.

yes we celebrate nowruz, in pashto we call it newe kal meaning new year

>Iranians, Afghans, and Tajiks are all literally the same people
I still disagree with this, there's a distinct difference between kurds, persians etc. And in my opinion, a persian from iran has more in common with azeris now because they share the same nationality for example than he does with a tajik who probably has more in common with the pashtuns in his province. Though I will say that people from herat and mashhad are very similar (speak the same way, have same traditions and customs).

if you have the time, here's an interview with an afghan (farhad) and 2 tajikistanis, which are you able to understand better? I've always wondered

youtube.com/watch?v=uFS84qRK8yc

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here's one with an iranian
I understand the iranian a bit better kek

youtu.be/LQ0zlETA-kg?t=366

literally we wuzzing about aryans in an interview kek

>OC for a 2 day old general

Mashallah this might be working

I am Hazara/Turkmen and we speak dari (almost same as farsi?) and celebrate Nowruz. We are also shia if that matters

My height is about 184 cm

>Are horses common in urban regions?
No

>What is the average height of people there?
Uhmm, ~165-181 cm, I dunno

>What has been your family's traditional profession? As in practiced by your grandpa and before.
Aah, dissimilar desu
I'd like to be a linguist or somewhat

>Do you have any conservative Muslims? Is shamanism gaining a foothold or are people content being Muslim?
Yes, we have. Actually, not so many people are interested in history etc. A lot of them just work, so, I suppose, working people do not know much about both Islam and Tengriism. There are some enthusiastic people though

>How liberal is Kazakhstan in terms of relationships between boys and girls(dating,etc)? What about LGBT and atheism?
Yeah, you may date a girl(a lot of nuances, pal). You need to be careful anyway.. Uhm, I do not think our people like LGTB(it is apparently better to keep it a secret). Atheism.. The USSR often spread it, mmh, maybe

My neglect, sorry

Meant for

youtube.com/watch?v=m0cB3G3TPXQ

tajikistani music >>>>>>> afgh*n and ir*nian music

Historically speaking, the term persian came to encompass all iranians, most iranic afghans and tajiks. I think the closeness was further reinforced by the persian language which both iranians and tajiks speak. While for kurds and pashtuns not so much. Nowadays, religion and politics also really do affect how people identify.

are balochistani people considered "iranian"?

ethnically speaking of course

>TFW SPEAK THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF THE ACHAEMENID EMPIRE NATIVELY
>TFW 99% OF PERSIANS WILL NEVER EVER KNOW TF

kek there's so many hazaras in sweden

sweden yes btw

Guess so yes.

You Balochi?

Nope. Just curious.

Why do you guess so? Is it because most live in Pakistan? There should be a unified Iranian state imho

You don't understand how ethnic groups in the muslim world work today because you have no understanding of history.
In Iran most of them aren't even considered different ethnicities, just people who live in different provinces.
Well yeah that's why I said most "ethnic groups" not all.
Azeris used to share the same identity as Fars until it was occupied for a while by the pre ottoman turks after the abbasid caliphate, which created the Azeri identity today.
The identity was created. It didn't always exist. The same thing goes for most Iranic tribes. The meaning of Persian back then had no correlation to the meaning of Persian as an ethnicity or a group within a group. It just meant people who spoke Persian and were part of the Persian empire.
And I don't know enough about Kurdish history to say if their identity was created later or if it always existed.
And yeah we have different nationalities today, but this didn't exist until Afghanistan was created by breaking off due to the Safavid empire's Sunni genocide, which made Afghanistan the Sunni part of Persia, while whats today Iran became the Shia part of Persia.
In the same manner the Arab Shia who came in and replaced the Persian Sunni became assimilated into the Iranian identity, the Persian Sunni who managed to flee and escape genocide became assimilated into whatever country they went to.
You're as Persian as any Iranian, Afghan, or Tajik then.
I'll take a look

Are you Assyrian? Aramaean?

> unique
Not really. "Turkic nomadic culture" is the best definition imo.
> Is the situation in the area stable
When Karimov was still alive there were occasional borderline tensions. Current president is more friendly and open to dialogue.

And we also have ethnic clashes every 20 year.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osh_riots_(1990)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_South_Kyrgyzstan_ethnic_clashes
> only a matter of time before it falls apart
Nah i don't think so. Not in the near future.

>Turkic nomadic culture
Could you elaborate?

Do you know how original Turkics looked?

Afghans have a different accent than Iranians do that's true. And while I can still understand what the Tajik's are saying, in comparison I can understand the Afghan guy Farhad much better. I think his accent is a lot closer to the Iranian accent than the Tajik's accents are to the Iranian accent.
The Tajik's talk with an accent that's too stern imo.
The Afghan guy is really easy for me to understand. He talks with a more relaxed accent.

Then how come I hear about ethnic discrimination by persians against the minorities (hazara etc). Its also really hard to travel to Iran nowadays with all the visa requirements.

Hazaras are not persian m9

I see, personally I can't understand tehrani too well, but people from the southern half of iran like fars, isfahan, I understand very well.

It could be for any number of reasons.
Different social classes, redneck equivalents just being unfriendly to people from a different part of the country, different dialects spoken, etc. Those are just off the top of my head.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osh_riots_(1990)
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_South_Kyrgyzstan_ethnic_clashes
Damn these were actually quite serious.

>Nah i don't think so. Not in the near future.
This sounds promising, wouldn't want a match to light up in that region.

Why do browns cherry pick so much about themselves?

I never mentioned Hazaras. I don't know enough about them to be able to speak about them.
I'm just a sheltered boy from Tehran.
Yeah, these things develop by living in certain regions. Move somewhere else and in a few generations your descendants will be speaking like someone from where you moved and no one, probably not even themselves will know the difference.

It's not about general. I don't like when you Semites try to associate with us.

>from Tehran

Why do you live in USA? Are you a Zoraostrian or something? most persians I know around my area are since they fled Iranian persecution

>Are you a Zoraostrian or somethin
He's a hardcore Marxist-Khomeinist.

but it's you indians who constantly involve afghanistan and more recently iran in your threads...

Lifestyle is very important to culture. For example Japan had the caste system with samurais and common peasants i think that is the reason of their subservience culture. We didn't had caste but society was tribal before the sovietization so people here are still tend to divide themselves from each other, people are lazy (there is no hard work in nomadic lifestyle: you have your horses or camels, flock of sheep etc. It's nothing compared to peasantry)

>Are you a Zoraostrian or something? most persians I know around my area are
I don't think they're real zoroastrians, the real zoroastrians living in iran don't have the money to get to the west lol, the ones you know are probably irl larpers

The first one, which speaks dialects closer to the Imperial dialect, I think. If it wasn't for the WWI genocide there would be about a million speakers now in West Azerbaijan, Iran. But I think it'ss currently

kek gonna be late and get chewed out, have a good night/day

>Are you a Zoraostrian or something?
No
>most persians I know around my area are since they fled Iranian persecution
I go to university here.
Shab bekher dadasham :D
>the ones you know are probably irl larpers
This. Though western raised ones I see at the very most would just wear the necklace, but just dislike religion in general.

>the real zoroastrians living in iran don't have the money to get to the west lol, the ones you know are probably irl larpers

Its an iranian food joint with tons of paintings, images etc like pic related. Doubt a group of shiites would do something like that

They're agnostics/atheists who use that symbol as "muh ancient heritage". I don't think it has any religious significance to them although I could be wrong.

Because one Afghan poster under Dutch flag and one Iranian poster under American flag always say they are South Asians and they should be included in /sag/.

I thought it represented zoroastrianism as well? shame y'all decided to get invaded by arabs, your indigenous religions are far more interesting than twelver islam

You just love throwing meaningless labels around without actually knowing what they mean don't you.

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It does represent zoroastrianism. As Iranian said, their motives aren't really based on religious conviction if im not mistake.

It represents zoroastrianism as well. But they use it as a symbol of "muh ancient heritage" without actually knowing much about it besides "muh ancient heritage".
I've talked to a guy who wore the necklace and didn't know what zoroastrianism is. He just said he wears it because he's persian and he believes the symbol to represent "muh ancient heritage".
>shame y'all decided to get invaded by arabs, your indigenous religions are far more interesting than twelver islam
We were majority Sunni until the 1500s when Shah Ismael genocided the Persian Sunni and replaced them with Arab shia, which lead to Afghanistan breaking off and becoming the Persian Sunni state, but ok thanks for your opinion.

This

They're b8ing.

Is it your picture? Please don't post them on an anonymous board.

Its just banter. Dont take it personally. I have nothing against muslims or your theocracy with exception to the way your government treats minority religions

Im just mad since I cant visit your glorious country (without visa), I genuinely hear it is one of the nicest and most welcoming countries on the planet.