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Why did religion essentially die out in the West Sup Forums? Why is it that even amoung the "redpilled" belief in Christ isn't nearly as strong as it once was? What can we do to bring about a genuine spiritual revival to our people?

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Christianity is just like Islam. Christians think that "muh Jesus" is the only true god, just like Muslims think of Allah. Also, they disregard other religion.

Even wondered why there had been almost no violence in the name of Buddhism?

>jesus
>only true god
>not le holy trinity

Designated Shitting Religion go pls, this is a discussion for Europeans. You're not our people.

Because although people are afraid of death, they cant be bothered to observe an organised religion or go to church.

They just describe themselves as "spiritual" now.

I think a lot of it has to do with the "instant gratification" culture that materialistic capitalism has produced.

Do some constructive arguments instead of babbling memes.

Rampant materialism and scientificism.

Why would I argue with someone whose country is a meme and is only here to derail serious discussion.

Probably because science revealed how the universe works and there's no evidence that religion is real. That's just my guess

Usury, by the old definition of the word, not the corrupted new definition.

There is a reason it's a sin, it transforms people into selfish, materialistic, Godless slaves. Money plays far too big a part in our lives. Every bit of attention directed towards wealth is attention directed away from God. The rise of Calvinism, probably the most horrendous of all Christian heresies, gave rise also to the embracing of usury, which in turn gave rise to obsessive materialism and selfishness and general ignorance towards God.

Usury must be completely abolished and usurers need to be punished. Anyone who even attempts to excuse usury is a heretic.

Also although it's fun to blame usury solely upon the Jews, the primary reason for its widespread tolerance today in the west is due to the remnants of Calvinist thought and its effect on the industrial revolution.

>derail serious discussion.
You did that, not me.

>almost no violence in the name of Buddhism

There's more modern violence in the name of Buddhism than in the name of Christianity

Jews know the power of religion. There's a reason they're so adamant in their faith.

Removing religion removes true free will, as well as instilling an absolute fear in death. A man who believes in nothing beyond this physical realm is a literal golem, under the control of those who objectify his reality.

Because religion is associated with the major evils of current times.

That and it's all completely false information that's been disproved. I understand learning the teachings, but you're effectively praising sand peasants that weren't even half as educated as a current 10 year old.

Why is violence even an argument against something?
If it is righteous violence then it's perfectly justified. Only a Hindu Dindu Hippie would argue something is bad because "muh violence"

What is the source?

because it bullied out of existence by jewish media attacks and by "intellectuals" for kids with youthful maximalism like dawkins that make them think they've got more smart after listening to them

A "sand peasant" who has heard even a single syllable of God's true word is more intelligent than the modern college-educated materialist atheist.

Violence is only righteous if it's not against you, amirite?

Self-defense is an inherent right, choosing not to defend yourself against immorality, is immoral in and of itself.

This demonstrates Buddhists have a strong understanding of their behavioral expectations when faced with a threat.

Live a moral life, and if something threatens you, they're threatening morality itself. Which, one has a moral obligation to defend,

I agree with you. Unlike most people in the west, buddhists are fighting to ensure their way of life will continue for their descendants.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then He is not omnipotent.
Is He able, but not willing?
Then He is malevolent.
Is He both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is He neither able nor willing?
Then why call Him God?

Even if you think god is real, which is basically beyond reasonable doubt untrue, why worship him? He has less documented achievements than my 25 year old NEET friends.

No wonder so many Indians converted to Buddhism. Hindus have no common sense

Because women took over and bred a generation of manchildren that think they are smart if they go nihilist.

DESIGNATED

The only evil in the world is sin, and God allows us to sin because he wishes for us to have free will, and he gives us free will because he loves us and does not want us to simply be automatons. That is why evil exists.

We are God. We all are. That's why we have free will. So, we create evil ourselves, as are we responsible for fighting it.

I'm not Christian, but I do have a deep spiritual understanding of our place in the universe, and morality is key.

That's self defense. That's true for Hindus too.

We don't have free will though.

Yes we do. The belief that we are all bound to our actions by fate is one of the things killing western civilization.

B-but Christian Dark Ages!111

You can't prove or disprove any Spirit based concepts. Which is why pushing an organized way IS FUCKING CANCER!! Why would you want to dictate that others be spiritual? You are imposing your will like a tyrant onto others. Let people discover what they think god is on their own, in the end everyone's perception is different, only an ignorant person would follow or dictate truth when everyone is blind. This is why I raise up darkness. When your cup is always full, you have no room for anything else, so too are those that think they know everything. Fuck Religion, and paths of light, they are toxic to the extreme.

Christianity is a scam, invented by Roman pagans, who 'reformed' the power-worshipping religion they had received using memes stolen (and sometimes flat out misunderstood) from the jews.

It has never been, and can never be, anything other than a senseless religion for mental defectives; slaves and slave-owners.

You don't have free will if you don't believe you do.

But, it was only by the grace of freewill that you were given the choice of living without spirit. I did it fot a very long time, so I know where you are coming from. But you are weaker than you could imagine, and you'll only understand that when you open your heart and mind to the reality beyond what our eyes see.

Well said user

christianity only worked in the past because it wasn't true christianity but a political tool. im glad it will be gone, we don't need it.

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This is just a cop out, "free will" is never explicitly expressed in the bible. God intervenes multiple times in human life when they've done wrong, but he doesn't do it anymore because we can actually record it, what a coincidence.

The only reason you even believe the specific god you believe in is because of geographic position on this planet.

There definitely could be a superior power that influences the universe, but it's unlikely that humans interacted with it.
We're obviously of two different thought patterns, I believe that not knowing our purpose or existence means we should focus on discovering it. You seem to be of the train of thought that those things we don't know are some superior being, seems like the lazy mans way to content.

that image is retarded

My friend, the coin has two sides. Currenly, the face of faith lies down, while nothingness and absolution of physicality is used as a tool to weaken the world population.

Your same logic extends both ways; as spirituality is unprovable, as well as not disapprovable, you cannot justly spread atheism without offering alternatives.

You must understand, faith has existed far longer than the atheism-science marriage, and will likely out last this trend of self-imposed pseudo-intellectualism.

All gods and higher beings are creations of Man, they are ideas from one person's conception of what god, or aspects of it are. Your ideas are no less valid, by following someone else's structure, you get further away from your own connection. Discover what it is using your own methods and you will find truth, follow another man, or his system and you are a slave. Only you have direct experience, a picture or sigil is not the same as it. Take what is yours.

>This is just a cop out, "free will" is never explicitly expressed in the bible.
The notion that we have free will is an inseparable element of Catholic doctrine. Predestination, or any general lack of free will for that matter, is heresy as determined by holy tradition and 2000 years of theological study. This is indisputable.

>The only reason you even believe the specific god you believe in is because of geographic position on this planet.
In this day and age that is entirely false, every corner of the globe knows of the gospel, and anyone who does not choose to embrace it is willfully condemning themselves to Hell.

>You seem to be of the train of thought that those things we don't know are some superior being, seems like the lazy mans way to content.
That's entirely false. Everything we can reliably observe through science is undeniably true, but there has been no scientific discovery in the history of man that has even come close to disproving the existence of God or the reliability of the Bible.

>belief in Christ isn't nearly as strong as it once was

don't worry germanbro, it's just that this kind of people is quite discreet

There was literally people disputing the existence of gods before the christian religion was even created.

Do you know who Socrates is? Do you honestly think atheism is some new trend?
It's literally existed longer than the religion you likely worship, which is based on a more primitive religion that was also disputed by the intellectuals of that time.

>The notion that we have free will is an inseparable element of Catholic doctrine. Predestination, or any general lack of free will for that matter, is heresy as determined by holy tradition and 2000 years of theological study. This is indisputable.

Well since the only truth is that of god of which is spoken only through the bible, show me the part where he gives you free will.
Or are you of the thought the church can invent rules and interpretations that fit their current narrative.
A true believer would only believe the word of god.

>not understanding that you believe that specific religion because it's common practice in your geolocation
>actually thinking if you were born in iran to muslim parents that you'd convert to christianity
>you're this dumb

>Almost everything in the bible regarding history or science has already been disproven
>nothing has been disproven
>ok

You're making assumptions, I'm theistic and highly spiritual. Also you're making many generalizations, you do not know how long this or that has been or the number of people in each population throughout history that where or where not religious in actual number. Also duality is a simple minded concept, if you look at black holes and their gravitational waves you will find singularities. Dualistic thinking is simple minded. You are self imposing, not me, you are saying you want to force everyone to be spiritual for their own good, and using pseudo science to do it. I am saying be free. It's a paradox, in that people can do whatever they want. I disagree with organized religion however, it is toxic.

Eh not really nearly as together as that makes it sound. But at least I have a pretty good bullshit detector and fair amount of experience to draw on.

How so?

youtube.com/watch?v=uvoJkreZtT0
Good explanation

You assume too much. I'm not religious, but spiritual. I grew up in a family that did not want to impose religion on me, as they had done to themselves.

Bible study was merely a topic in school, and I never went to church. I was a life-long militant atheist that shared many of your views.

Ultimately, this changed when I took on meditation, and decided to open my consciousness to synchronicity, or as Christians would likely call, messages from God.

I learned objectively the moral differences between right and wrong, and quickly amended my life to follow these rules. Not only has it brought me personal happiness, but within weeks I was provided with the perfect job for me, that let's me be financially secure while legitimately helping save lives.

I am not a Christian, but I feel a kinship to Christian ideals, and I can only hope that should the time to "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." come, my Christian brothers understand I believe in the same greater will driving and protecting those who live by it's laws.

That and the Communists realized they could pretend to know and use 'Science' to peel away the armored shell of morality from the West by attacking religion.

The sneaky liberal jew has been working tirelessly to undermine Christianity from its inception, and now after millennium of constantly trying to destroy it. It has only been in the last 100s of years that they turned from trying to oppress to subvert through atheism and the various forms of socialism.

>Well since the only truth is that of god of which is spoken only through the bible, show me the part where he gives you free will.
Go ask a theologian, or google it, I'm just a person who follows Catholic doctrine, which was formed through the guidance of the Holy Spirit and is just as indisputable as the Bible itself.

You must know the Bible was not even put to word until hundreds of years after Jesus walked the Earth, there are things not within the Bible that comprise the Christian faith. Anyone who claims otherwise is likely a Protestant heretic. Jesus didn't write a Bible, he gave us his word, his verbal teaching and also the Holy Spirit which guides us to this day.

this is why talking about spiritual shit is always a bad move. People become slaves to another persons method or idea, and loose touch with their own spirituality. Actual spirituality is discovery though your own life, through actually reaching out. It is a will, a desire, it is (initiation). When you start following someone else, it becomes about what sigil is right, what color candle you use, what god you worship, telling others how to live. THIS IS NOT SPIRITUALITY! it is fucking sickness. You had me up until you started talking about the armor of god. People that talk about faith are usually empty inside. This is why darkness is my champion.

>This is why darkness is my champion.

The armor of God is metaphorical. It just means that the only way you can fight evil, is by understanding that you're greater than your physical self.

The 'Armor of God' is the moral upbringing and foundation to your own sense of self that you can live your life correctly, even if you are a weak person this armor will at least let you copy the actions of good and just people.

Without it or an equivalent source of morals then you are like straw in the wind, blown where ever the louder and more ideaologically driven people push you. most of the West has been stripped of their Armor by the Globalists, the communists, The Jews take your pick. This lack of Moral armor of god is the source of ALL of the west's current problems.

May be civilization brought some brains into humans?

POO

Yeah, look at all the brains these enlightened atheists have. Thank FSM they were liberated from that evil Christianity by the honourable atheist Communists :^) Imagine how horrible Russia would have been if they weren't ruled by atheists for the majority of the 20th century :^)

Industrialization is hard on everyone, especially when you start from such a low point. What's your point?

An atheist trying to justify a genocidal regime throwing people into slave labour camps for "the good of the nation", what a fucking surprise

This is why atheists are unfit to lead, you have no souls, you have no hearts, and only pure evil comes from your mouth.

*tips fedora*

But do you have a point? I don't care about your feefees. Your feelings don't mean shit to me. Russia would have been stuck in the 1800's without the Soviets industrialization programs. People had to die for the greater good. It's not glamorous, but it worked.

>Russia would have been stuck in the 1800's without the Soviets industrialization programs
Glad to see we have a clairvoyant here to tell us how history would have played out had the Communists not violently seized power in Russia. Where did you get such an insightful prophecy? God?

>equating atheism to industrialization
nigger what?

>Russia would have been stuck in the 1800's without the Soviets industrialization programs. People had to die for the greater good. It's not glamorous, but it worked.

Proof?

DUDE GET DOWN THERE'S A SNIPER DOT ON YOUR FOREHEAD

>it worked
read a history book. i'm sure the millions murdered under soviet rule would disagree

I didn't start it, he did.

Are you denying the Soviet Union became a major industrial power during the rulr of Joseph Stalin? Maybe you should read tht history book.

it was such a success that it failed

Read a book nigger.

ibatpv.org/projects/russia/Nick_II/Industrialization.htm

>What can we do to bring about a genuine spiritual revival to our people?
Stop worshiping a desert Jew and his mountain spirit

I was talking about horrible human rights abuses and genocide, not industrialization. There is no excuse for what the atheist Soviets did to so many millions of innocent people in the name of socialism. There was no "intelligence" there, no intellectual superiority at all, the atheist Soviet union killed millions then collapsed, and the Christian western world thrived. That is the point I'm trying to make, there is nothing especially "intelligent" about being an atheist, as evidenced by the pathetic failure of the USSR.

SHIT BOYS CALL /x/ WE GOT A FUCKING SLIDER IN HERE!

So how was life in a parallel world?

>What can we do to bring about a genuine spiritual revival to our people?
Put more fluoride into the water

Jk, just centralize power in the west again. It's all politics and power. The Church was never anything more but a political force and it was simply disbanded, forced to fall apart.

The reign of Christianity was always bound to the existence of the political Church which fought for its influence and kept it enforced.

Yes, because the Russians didn't conquer third worlders for profit. Unlike your precious Western Christians. The Russians were always poor. That's why the didn't naturally industrialize and why they needed the five year plans and the genocide. Colonization made Western Europe rich, with a large market and decent sized middle class. That's why it was so easy for them. Russia, not so much.

>Even wondered why there had been almost no violence in the name of Buddhism?
this is a meme
the mongol conquerors were budhists

..... except they were Tengri....

that pic might be the most misinformed piece of "redpill" I have ever seen on this board. holy whoopie

The Japanese would beg to differ

except they were not
I could provide a link but im not a liar.
I didnt tell a lie.

Not really.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Shinto

They were Tengri Shamanist. They infused beliefs from Tibetan Buddhism, but the Mongol hordes weren't really devout Buddhist.

>t. Guy from country that produced thinkers like Nietzsche and Marx

Oh, a butthurt Tritheist?
Enjoy.

How do you actually know they would be stuck in the 1800's if it weren't for communism? Communism was horrible and Russians were most likely worse off because of it, industrialization or not

Well of course 80 years of Communism is bad. I'm just stating the obvious, that without an upper and middle class willing to invest in private industry, Russia was doomed to fail in the 20th century. Look at WW1, it was a disaster for the Russian military and for the Russian people because of a lack of indistry. The collectivism and wealtj distribution of the Communist meant that the Soviets were able to at least start some industrial process, but it did come at the cost of millions of lives through slave labor, same with China and the Great Leap Foreward. It's a shame so many had to die, but what else could those large poor countries have done to spark industry? It was a nesessary evil.

It was not necessary, the rest of the west didn't need communism to industrialize.

The Trinity isn't even very difficult to grasp if you understand Christian theology, it's not like we hide it or anything, we put the Trinity everywhere.

>HOW CAN A CUBE HAVE 6 SQUARE FACES WHEN IT'S A SINGLE CUBE?

Because the west had built colonial empires and used other peoples resources, the markets created by colonial populations, as well as the wealth obtained from both to jumpstart their industrialization naturally. Russia never had that. Russia had always been an untamed wilderness full of peasant farmers freezing their asses off. Peter the Greats Westernization helped a bit, but they never had as nearly the amount of resources and as large a market as the west.

And Australians were originally illiterate criminal raping and murdering outcasts banished to an island full of deserts and hostile wildlife who eventually industrialized into a world power, all without the need for communism or socialism at all.

Your speculation is completely worthless.

it was JEWS

jews behind postmodernism
jews behind communism
jews behhind feminism

like an octopus they used each tentacle to choke out and kill christianity a little more in each passing generation.

The Jews are bad but it is the protestant Zionists who enable and aid them in their evil endeavors. The Jews had no power until the Protestants allowed them to have it, because coincidentally the Jews and Protestants seemed to see eye-to-eye on many issues, especially Calvinists.

Except Australia fits right into what I was saying. They sold resources to their mother country, Great Britain, and in return purchased goods manufactured there. Once Australia had built a large enough middle class to allow investment in industry, Australia began industrializing. It's that simple. Communism is good for taking a large country with a high population and little or non-aquirable resources anf helping it industrialize, at the expense of the population.

It's all part of plan to introduce the doctrine of lucifer to the world. Everyone will be exhausted, frustrated, and finally lost. This sets the stage for them to reveal the doctrine.

Jews

From the toilet where you will never find it.

Christianity lost its balls so why should we care about a religion with a storyline that is mostly non-white?

It's incredibly easy to grasp, which is why y'all have to waste so much ink distracting yourselves from doing just that.

>"Christianity lost its balls"
>*masturbates to cuck porn*