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>tfw to intelligent to hate this movie for the sake of trying to fit in and derailing anons from knowing I browse reddit

I saw this movie, but I didn't understand it.

Can someone please explain it to me?

Thanks!

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Arrival > Interstellar.

That aside, I really liked it. The exposition at the end felt a bit unnatural and really wish it could've been handled a bit subtler though,

>The exposition at the end felt a bit unnatural and really wish it could've been handled a bit subtler though

I completely agree

The Handmaiden

Meme-flick of the year. I agree.

Cool movie but there are a few inconsistencies within the timeline

It's this year's Gravity.

Just saw it, really really good movie. It's intelligent, but not in a pretentious way. I'd argue it's actually pretty accessible.

I will say that the alien language causing the main character to perceive time non-linearly was pretty far-fetched to me. I understand that language can affect your brain, but not by THAT much. Everything else in the movie was quite sensible.

Considering the amount of people who didn't get the film and thought it was about time travel, I'd almost say they needed more exposition
-almost, but not quite

It's better than Gravity

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Into the trash it goes

The scene of the first contact coupled with the music was the best movie scene that I have ever experienced in a cinema.

>the alien language causing the main character to perceive time non-linearly was pretty far-fetched to me

It's sci-fi bro

Agreed
La La Land has a lot to live up to f it wants to dethrone it
True. But it has been proven that language strongly influences your brain. On top of that, the language was so different, that it's not an unthinkable idea
Remember, only Louise actually gained that ability despite hundreds, if not thousands, of people studying the language

Yeah but the rest of the movie was grounded enough that it felt out of place. I'm willing to let it slide, other movies have done far worse.

On gripe I have: [spoilers] Why did Abbott die if could see in the future? [/spoilers]

Thats not Hacksaw Ridge

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I don't get the jerk-off for this. Prisoners and Sicario, for all their boringness, were at least pretty to look at. Arrival is shot like a fucking documentary, Amy Adams's stupid old face is hardly engaging, and apart from occasionally butthurt military negro there are literally no more characters to look after. Squidward aliens were fun to follow but the movie quickly wasted it's potential for Andromeda Strain-esque sci-fi investigation plot on LE BOMB and LE CHYNA TRYING TO START SHIT.
The twist in the end felt deflated and predictable. Whoa she knows future now, who gives half a shit

Nice spoilers faggot.

In any case, they're biological creatures, so they probably still age.

>I'd almost say they needed more exposition

You can't be serious. The movie spelled everything out very clearly, especially at the end. Between what she says at the start of the movie "This is the beginning", to an alien language that uses circles, to the spelling of her daughters name.

If anything they were to obvious. Regardless it was executed well and watching the movie mirrored the experience the protagonist, it worked on a meta level.

They can't see into the future.

I would answer you but judging by your post you're the kind of faggot who's eager to hate things, so it's a waste of time.

>ignoring the rest of the post
I agree, but normies (even on this site) are fucking idiots

I'm not the person you're replying to, but I watched it in a theater yesterday and:

>many people only got that Jeremy Renner was the father of her daughter in the very end
>many people thought there was time travel involved

people are fucking retarded

That's a bit convenient, don't you think?

Watch the movie again?

>That's a bit convenient, don't you think?

Well, what would the alternative be? That they're immortal? I guess considering their technology it's not too far-fetched, but it's not too shocking that aliens would still be somewhat dictated by biology. I mean they communicate their language via ink spurts. In any case, the death didn't really matter all that much.

>another time travel movie full of errors and crazy causality

wow so good!

No, I mean, it was implied that he was dying because of the explosion. She even apologized for it assuming that was the cause. Why didn't the heptapods avoid being harmed by the explosion in the first place?

I don't think he necessarily died because of the explosion, I assumed he died of some other unrelated reasons. Pretty sure she apologized because it's the polite thing to say to someone (presumably) in grieving.

Maybe I need to watch the movie again but I didn't see the explosion kill Abbott, it seemed like it was far enough away to not hit them.

>stupid nonsensical shit happens
>it's sci-fi bro

I watched Arrival yesterday, I thought the idea was great, really enjoyed the story, I'll admit I had an interest in the underlying concepts and could visualize the author's thought processes.

The Language Relativity aspect of the film was a great twist, a solid 9/10.

it's an extrapolation on an actual hypothesis
approaching sci-fi without some suspension of disbelief is counter-productive and autistic

>Why didn't the heptapods avoid being harmed by the explosion in the first place?

you can't change the future, the language of the heptapod freed the user from causality, so you could remember the future and use that information in the present.

you still can't change anything, you are just more aware of that fact.

the big message in the movie is accepting fate and learning to enjoy the journey. Abbot always knew that was his death, he had experienced it before and will again.

Its a big reason a circle was used as their language, a circle has no beginning or end, just like time in the movie

These guys travel to Earth to get the help of the humans for a problem they have 3000 years for now. I'm sure they understand the concept of sacrificing yourself for a greater collective good. They were trying to protect the only people close enough to a breakthrough on their case. After all, the humans were the ones who had to understand the aliens, not the other way around.
They wanted to protect Louise basically

Year has been so shit that MOTY is probably Kimi no Na wa.

>mfw her fucking hair cgi
other than that it was pretty great. i liked how many shadows and silouettes in the background looked more and more like the aliens and their language as the film went on.
her percieving time in a non-linear way was very far fetched, but after i suspended my disbelief i enjoyed it a lot.
also the title card appearing after the film was over was a nice touch.

wheres the time travel bud? is life scary for you when you cant understand even simple things like movies? does it make you angry?

This theme is based upon all ancient cultures who were spawned by a Sea Serpent.

Yeah, mmm, why did the aliens actively try to alert Amy Adams about the bomb then?

>her percieving time in a non-linear way was very far fetched, but after i suspended my disbelief i enjoyed it a lot.
I have experienced this irl

>wheres the time travel bud?
did you even watch the movie? top kek

not even top 5. Stop chilling some mainstream flicks.

>also the title card appearing after the film was over was a nice touch.

The length the movie goes to make the viewers journey the same as her journey was wonderful.

Its similar to memento but does not feel as cheap during the second viewing. It illustrates the difference between a nonlinear story done well and just using it as a trick

Because she needed to be alive for their plan to work.

explain

>Getting invaded by a big black bean

KEK you humans are such fucking cucks.

What's your top 5 then, bucko?

theres no time travel champ, time travel isnt real. did you watch the movie?

Some people here remember me.

>you will never be a benevolent alien spreading your knowledge to the lesser races

Why did a heptapod appear in the room with Amy?

That threw my through a loop. Having read Slaughterhouse Five, I understood where this movie was going fairly early on. Her visions were her experiencing the future, except for this one, which more or less just made it look as if she was hallucinating.

Probably just sleep deprivation.

>benevolent alien
they knew they would need our help in the future. it was an exchange, not benevolence

Well they were still pretty nice about it all things considered.

She was dreaming in their language, so she saw them as part of the dream

Depends on the movie. For something like Star Wars I'd agree, but this was trying to be more of a hard sci-fi story, so autistic nitpicking is alright.

The film is based upon Linguisticrelativity

> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

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It's like in Watchmen and Dr Manhattan, they're still puppets who merely can see the strings.

Yeah, I think you;re right. Abbott probably had a choice between swimming to safety or giving the final message and saving Lousie via the gravity trick just at the end. He's pretty much the unsung hero of this movie. Didn't think of that at the time of watching though.

Ok, another weird thing I noticed: Why did her hair become shitty cgi when she entered the mist? Why the fuck didn't they just shoot her under water, or tie her hair back or something to not look this crappy and dated even now?

This generation's "Contact"

>also the title card appearing after the film was over was a nice touch.
Shit, I missed the meaning of this. kino/10

Stop arguing semantics. Information moving backwards in time is still a type of time travel, even if actual people stay in place.

Well I'm pretty sure you need to be able to think first before you express a thought through language, so that theory is fucking retarded.

Also the double entendre of "arrival" meaning the arrival of a babby.

daring criticism
you should publish a paper about it

What did the aliens mean when they said they'd need help in three hundred some years?

>hard sci-fi story
Fuckoff retard

It takes some time to fully absorb the theory

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what's the meaning of it?

Three thousand, and it's never explained. Maybe there's some galaxy-spanning crisis, or they're at war with some other alien race.

Sapir–Whorf's been debunked and is considered in linguistic academia to be a funny joke.

Evolving the Cuttlefish's evolution

> youtube.com/watch?v=dmBYFfq8_Yk

>Well I'm pretty sure you need to be able to think first before you express a thought through language, so that theory is fucking retarded.

Maybe you are the fucking retard. There is a reason why so many people place an importance on language and words, they are powerful.

I would recommend reading up on semiotics then start looking at the linguistic relativity stuff.

Another example this generation is inferior.

Nonlinear perception of time. Serves the same purpose as showing the story of her daughter at the beginning. It's a nice touch, an elegant way to end it.

Overall I really feel like this movie was a high-budget, long-running episode of a weekly sci-fi show - interesting, concise and willing to experiment. And the most refreshing bit was that is didn't turn into an action karate-off at any point.

you do know the weak form of the theory is widely accepted. not exactly debunked

Don't insult Contact like that.

liberal arts major pls go

>Overall I really feel like this movie was a high-budget, long-running episode of a weekly sci-fi show - interesting, concise and willing to experiment.

Exactly, it felt like a big budget twilight zone episode. Which is what makes it so wonderful. A lot of the hate here is because it stress things like communication and understanding, instead of killing your enemies.

>weak form of the theory is widely accepted
Weak form is literally
>well, yeah, language kinda sorta makes you think 0.001% differently from other language speakers
Which is common sense, really. Ofcourse something that you use daily is going to affect your thinking, but it's not about the nature of a language, it's about it's frequency. Jerking off every day affects your thinking. Seeing colour red daily and not not colour blue ever affects your thinking. There's nothing inherently more powerful or deterministic about language in particular, and it's certainly not a superpower Arrival thinks it could be

thought is bound by language. radically different languages means radically different cognitive processes

>moving the goal post

It does not matter if you think the theory is common sense or pointless. They took a scientific concept and pushed it as far as they could go to tell a story that connects on a human level with the audience.

It was not only good sci-fi it was a well made movie that works on multiple levels.

So, she knows her future. And she somehow does everything the same way? Is she not in control of her body? Surely not, then why would she go ahead and make a baby that she knows will die? Furthermore, what happens if she just decides not to make the baby? What happens to the "future" she knows? What I'm trying to say is, it just does not make any sense in any way, No matter how you think about it. Time as we know is fucking linear, and it's stupid to make movies about how it would be if it was not linear, because we have no fucking idea how it would be, how things would work if it was indeed not linear.

>thought is bound by language. radically different languages means radically different cognitive processes
You gonna have hard time proving any of that, aniki, especially on a multilingual vietnamese grain sifting amphitheatric forum

>Time as we know is fucking linear,

You're oversimplifying things a bit. There are a lot of structures in languages that are closely related to specific cultural phenomena. Learning a language means that you also learn how to think in that context in a sense.

Said in another way - you're more likely to think of certain concepts/ideas if you have concrete words for them. Language shapes what ideas you consider when thinking about the world.

>knowing the future
>scientific concept
Second law of thermodynamics would like to have a word
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon

No it doesn't.

I thought love transcended time...

because the joy of raising her own child and spending time with her daughter was more important for her than the pain of losing it in the end. which is reasonable enough if you ask me.

Actually, you kind of proved his point, senpai.
Every one of us here has the idea of a loud, obnoxious person, using offensive words on purpose, who is still worth talking to and sharing thoughts with. What would you call this type of person in your native tongue?

You are confusing cause and effect. Culture and environment shape both language and thought, not vice versa. Obviously african niger is less likely to understand what 'snow' is than someone from Russia or Iceland, but not because his language lacks the concept of temperatures and material states

She experiences time non-linearly. She can't actually see the 'not quite happened yet' future.

Just imagine that all time is happening all the time at once. It's deterministic, there would never be a chance to change anything.

The book makes this more obvious. Having read Slaughterhouse 5 helps as well since that uses a similar premise but explains it more naturally.

I can see how so many people are confused by it, I feel like the movie doesn't actually show that the language affecting how you think just makes you think non-linearly rather than simply seeing the future and your own past in visions. Still best of the year for me.

Fat ogre shits are the one thing that transcend time and space.

>why would she go ahead and make a baby that she knows will die?
I don't know, user. Why would anyone?