Sorry libertarians! Taxation is not theft

When the majority of people in a society vote for a political party and they enact those policies, who the fuck are you to complain that taxation is theft? Most people in the society voluntarily made the decision to elect that leader and knew damn well they would be taxed, so taxation is not theft, it is a voluntary choice.

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>who the fuck are you to complain that taxation is theft?
The taking of that which does not belong to you is the literal definition of theft.

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>it is a choice to be born into a society where I will be taxed regardless of any further choices I make

Try again. Taxation is not a choice.

>Most people in the society voluntarily made the decision
>Most people

And what of those who aren't "most people"? Why can't they voluntarily decide not to pay taxes without havingmen with guna come to their house? Why aren't those who want programs willing to fully fund them themselves?

>When the majority of people in a society vote for a political party and they enact those policies, who the fuck are you to complain that genitalea mutilation is wrong? Most people in the society voluntarily made the decision to elect that leader and knew damn well they would mutilate the genitalea of people so mutilation is a voluntary choice.

Sorry liberals! Taxation is not my entire life savings and then some.

The majority of people like a lot of horrible things

so then, by that principle, it also means that when an employer makes a profit on a worker, that is also a form of theft

Other people voting in favor of taxes doesn't mean I agree to them, dipshit.

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cute girl, but, yeah, taxation is theft. guess you've got some growing up to do.

Not an argument

The worker is paid for his labor, you dumb shit. The laborer chooses to work.

well no, if you agreed to work for your wages, you have no such contract, so it cannot be violated in that manner.

moreover, if you had agreed to work only on condition that you would own profits derived from your work -- something that only batshit insane marxists believe is fundamental about economics, but which the rest of us are smart enough to know they'd need to have in writing -- and these profits are hidden from you in some way so that you are not given them, that is usually called fraud, not theft.

theft is in the category of force, not the category of fraud.

>When the majority of people in a society vote for a political party
They don't though, do they? A minority turn out to vote, and many voting systems have the votes of many people living in the "wrong" area just piss away in the wind. Even with proportional representation, there's the issue of parties colluding with donors to maintain a false charade of a two-party system in from of an oligarchy, or the way the party leadership is selected reduces the grassroots influence on policy to nothing. And then, you have things like coalition bargaining in multi-party systems, where tiny unpopular groups have undue sway.

Ultimately, some fucker robs you, will lock you up to be fucked up the arse if you resist, and will piss your money away in ways that actively HARM your interest, such as feeding newly imported rapist fanatics.

You live in a society. Don't act like you don't use the roads, don't act like you do not feel safer because of the police and the firefighters that risk their lives every day to protect your pompous ass. The soldiers that fought to protect you and your freedoms. Ya, taxation is theft.. Pathetic.

i know. a response to OP doesn't need one.

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>theft isn't theft if an arbitrary % of the population agree with it
>morality is decided on popularity contests
Go fucking kill yourself you marxist communist degenerate. Hope you get gassed one day.

Sauce you leaf

> implying the worker didn't signed by free will a contract for such thing

> Gary Johnson said the military funding should be sourced from bake sales.

>muh roads
what does that have to do with the proof that taxation is theft? taxation is theft because you have to pay your taxes or else, ultimately, force is used against you, to collect. you do understand that you advocate in favor of that and other people advocate against it, but that both of you have to accept the definition as fully correct, right? or, perhaps government is the godhead of some heretofore unnamed religion to you -- which can change things from what they really are, simply because they are done at all, and because it seems necessary that they be done?

Not paying taxes while you benefit from money spent by the government on infrastructure and services is theft

I did not vote for them and I do not choose to live here

The only issue is that you didn't decide to join society. Now you're going to say that you could always leave, but what if you own land? If you own land that would mean that you shouldn't have to join the society or leave because it is your land. The truth about our society though is that they own all the land even though they have never bought it or were given it.

>commandeer all roads, many of which were originally built privately
a thing that governments have actually done
>haha you can't live without "benefitting" from all this stuff, now pay me
your taxes, that you owe to government.

isn't this exactly the mythical scenario you guys come up with to argue against libertarians? like, "what if i buy up all the land around your property" and such?

>the roads, ... the police and the firefighters

As though that's even a major part of what the bastards spend it on these days! Mate, if it WAS about such things, and I got to see a nice itemised list of expenditure, I'd be fucking delighted to pay taxes.

>The soldiers that fought to protect you and your freedoms
Most died several decades ago. Modern armies fight to prop up the failing careers of politicians and provide opportunities for corporations to make a swift buck.

Nowadays, for the Western Man, the state is a declared enemy.

Get a fucking grip. Whether or not you like it, you like in a society. Only Americans are this retarded. People in Europe are happy to pitch in for basic services that raise the quality of life such as roads, trains, infrastructure, bridges, health care. Most people in a society are not autistic and agree that coming together to provide basic services for a society are a good thing.

I like roads, I like infrastructure, I like having good police and firefighters. I like knowing that if a natural disaster happens we have people willing to risk their lives to save us. A libertarian simply cares about profit margins and money but places like Sweden are happy to pay taxes for more services.

>Taxation is not theft

When taxes are channeled to businesses that helped you get elected its theft.
When taxes fund social agendas like ACORN its theft.
When taxes fund an elite lifestyle for the political class its theft.

Its the intent that makes the crime.

Sucking dicks dose however make you a massive faggot.

>posting a good pic as op for your shitty bait thread
a fucking leaf

I still am convinced Scandanavian socialism is more realistic and probably a better system then libertarianism.

My issue with libertarians is this: humans are tribal at heart. It is in our human nature to come together and have a leader to make certain decisions. Libertarianism is scientifically proven to go against human nature of coming together. Just my two cents.

>People in Europe

No, idiot:
And as though just being "European" were a virtue in this context! Fuck's sake. There's a lot wrong in the USA, but they have some seriously fundamental things VERY right in their Constitution and so on.

no one is libertardian on here anymore we are all fashy goys now

HAHAHAHA

Libertarianism is mostly about volunteerism. You can do all these things voluntarily. Most of libertarianism boils down to anti-federalism too. You don't have to do all these things with the federal government, they are perfectly possible at state and local levels.

>Instead of fucking off to the woods and building my own Cabin I choose to live in this society that benefits me greatly

Oh, really? Not a choice?

>benefits me greatly
lmao

>it also means that when an employer makes a profit on a worker, that is also a form of theft
Work is voluntary, worker can opt out of the contract. Taxes are not.
>inb4 people can go to another lord if they don't like taxes of this lord
Only reinforces point of the theft.

People used to live in tribes. We are biologically wired to always elect someone to lead that tribe. In that point in time, the libertarians and individualists would be eaten by wolves. This is probably why a good percentage of the libertarian community is afflicted with autism in one way or another.

>The laborer chooses to work.

if the choice is between work and homelessness/starvation, then is it truly a choice?

>Scandanavian socialism
> humans are tribal at heart.

Pick one.

ScandInavian socialism, particularly the Swedish advanced form, is crippled from the get go with the lack of basic rights for the population to speak out against prevailing ideologies, turning a paradise into a swarthy-rapist magnet.

This. It's remarkable that liberals generally don't adhere to consist principles. Based on OPs logic, he must not complain when the majority vote for X - anything to which OP might disagree. This discussion was derailed - on purpose - by OP.

Who is this semen demon?

>typing this on a computer hooked up to an electrical grid

Who pays for national defense if taxation is theft? Who pays for the roads? Who pays for the public schools for childrens too poor to afford private school? Who pays for the police? Who pays for the firefighters? You are all one way or another a benefit of these services so to act like you are better than them is fucking retarded.

Who is "them?"

Precisely why we should just pay everyone to NOT work, let's all live in the beautiful socialist Utopian paradise like Greece!

People keep forgetting that until very recently, you worked for your keep or you suffered in poverty and died poor. Nature is a meritocracy, but leftistfags always want to play le current year nonsense as if that's an excuse to pay people for simply existing.

Makes me wish many of you were born in an era where you actually had to work hard instead of play the victim or perpetually champion your victims of "muh systemic injustices". There'd be a lot fewer cunts around.

Stop repeating yourself. Infrastructure is collapsing, education is a farcical indoctrination scheme, and the main part of the money goes into bankers' pockets. The remainder is shared between weapons to fuck up alien countries for clandestine purposes and helping deviants turn their dicks inside out and grow fake tits.

Pay taxes!
> No
Pay taxes or you'll go to jail!
> No
You're going to jail!
> No
*pulls gun* Hands in the air
> This is robbery

>Taxation is not theft

depends on the amount, a small gov is okey.

>tfw circumcised only hours after my birth
>tfw I can't take any kind of legal action against my parents because society has decided genital mutilation is acceptable
>tfw your reductio ad absurdum argument already exists

You stupid leaf you literally have it backwards.
Libertarianism does not mean abolishment of government as your retarded ass seems to suggest. Libertarianism just means giving every citizen of a country an option to either choose the socialist destiny or leave individually.
If Socialism truly is the best way of organization, then the people will opt for it. Voluntarily.

Taxation is not theft. Income tax is theft.

That wasn't his point.

>Who pays for national defense if taxation is theft?

"national defense" is a meme used by Western Nations as an excuse to fund private military companies (who have strong ties to the government) in order to exploit the natural resources of foreign lands and prevent competition
> Who pays for the roads?

have you ever lived in a rural area where the government is responsible for their upkeep? the standard is always terrible, and rich areas will always have better roads. The results of private enterprise will mirror this

>Who pays for the public schools for childrens too poor to afford private school?

schooling that is administered by a centralised government does little to nothing to benefit children, the primary purposes of formalised state-backed education have nothing to do with genuine learning

>Who pays for the police? Who pays for the firefighters?

the police can get fucked, firefighters do not need a centralised government to make sure they live a good life

t. anti-capitalist anarchist, you can get fucked OP

If the US land was simply owned by a bunch of people, lets call them royalty, then that royalty would have the right to tax you for being born and wishing to live on their property as well. Somehow that is 100% kosher according to Rothbardian holy law, but when you replace the royalty with a government it's suddenly not?

The only libertarians with some internal consistency in their thinking are geo-libertarians ... Rothbard and his ilk are loons.

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How do libertanians define private property?
Seems to me that property in it's current form most always can be traced back to government territorial claims, and so should be considered theft?
What am I missing?

>if libertarianism is the best way of doing things then people will make it happen
>constantly getting

>let's all live in the beautiful socialist Utopian paradise like Greece!

you obviously no nothing about Greee

>pay everyone to NOT work

never said this

I think we should do away with the severe emphasis on education, and how ridiculous that a man cannot find work without a 3 year college degree.
You have a guy who starts school at 4, and drops out of his second year of college at 21. What are his jobs prospects? Minimum wage at mc donalds. This needs to change, and society needs to place more of an emphasis on auto-didactic learning so that those who aren't academically-inclined can find a job that isn't humiliating and degrading

better than that, get rid of the employer/employee dynamic so that a man can truly benefit from the labour he puts in

I think if I were given the choice to pay certain taxes, say for instance welfare, if I chose to not pay them then I could never receive welfare benefits I would be a lot happier and a bit more wealthier. Same for roads and unemployment benefits. Or any other type social service payed for with taxpayer dollars. I'd also like to be given a breakdown of where all my tax dollars go. I'm paying for it, shouldn't I know where it's going? So, yes, I do believe it is theft. I didn't vote for the majority of people holding office, so I'm not sure where the whole "you voted for said representatives, you knew you'd be taxed" bullshit comes from. Also given the choices of candidates I could vote for, my options are limited in that area. Fuck mob rule, nigga.

Instead lets pay land owners for doing no work, that will work out a lot better. Pre-plague feudalism was so much fun as a peon.

emphasis on reductio ad absurdum. He's comparing paying taxes to genital mutilation.

Again, libertarianism will never work. On paper sure, but not in real life scenarios. People would literally starve. Imagine the news stories on CNN when a single mother with three kids cannot make enough money to feed herself and her family and has no money for her kids education so they stay at home all day and commit crimes?

Would you be okay with kids forgoing school all together if they have no money for kindergarden and elementary school?

I think he was emphasizing the absurd idea that you lose any right to complain simply because the majority enacted xyz law. I'm happy to let him speak for himself.

>find a job that isn't humiliating and degrading
The first step is changing the idea that minimum wage jobs are only held by subhumans and failures.

What if a single mom gets a treatable illness but cannot afford the medication? Should we just leave her to die? What if someone is driving his truck and gets into a crash but does not have money to cover the costs? Just leave him to bleed out on the road right?

If people want to go to the forest and live a life of subsistence farming, then they fucking can. No one forces anyone to make money.

Is she white?

Weak as fuck argument

Are you being paid to do this, kid? Read a fucking book. Even better, ask these questions to people that know about it better than the autists here. Go to 8ch /liberty/, open a thread there. Then check the size of your butthole.

Also, read a fucking book.

>inb4 not an argument

>democracy
>libertarian

you failed at the very first step

Taxation is rent. You dont begrudge your landlord what he's due right? The government is your landlord and he is asking what is due of you, as in, they own every square inch of the united states land with few exceptions and you are just living in it. They made the investment and now they get to ask for what is rightfully theirs.

Voluntarily dissolving the institution of voluntarism is not an argument.

I hope your prepared for the libertarian salt you're about to attract.

if the majority of people in society decided your asshole should be made open for public use an hour a day, is it not rape?

also: delete your account

>No one forces anyone to make money.

the only alternative is death (or, as you mentioned, complete and total social isolation)

sure, you have tons of middle-aged people working these jobs, including parents

I think a better idea would be to make it easier to get a decent job without a college degree

>rightfully theirs

>The government is your landlord

>what does not belong to you

taxes belong to the government

>I think a better idea would be to make it easier to get a decent job without a college degree
Please elaborate your master plan to make decent (iyo) jobs available without a college degree.

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If you elected an anarchist government that promised no taxes and they taxed you, that would be theft. If your country elected a politician that said he would maintain the current tax system and you were taxed, that would NOT be theft.

>if enough people agree it isn't theft to take your stuff

You better save some hate for the money printers.

They are the ones behind all the race mixing propaganda. It keeps you and everybody else from resisting their mass immigration (cheap labor) scheme.

You can talk about what's rightfully someones when you learn poo rightfully belongs to the loo

Every person has the right to property. If people have no legitimate way to gather property, then those people are not free, and thus are not in a free country.
Next.

>ad hom
not an argument

Sauce

I thought neet gen was on another board.

Do you understand how voting works, maple syrup? There are many people who don't get the politician they voted for. How is it then justified to tax them?

Protip:
It isn't.

Correct. The government allows you to 'own' things like land and goods, but in the end they are not yours. Just like anything, if you invest in something then you get the spoils. The government invested in acquiring the land that you stand on.

>it's only theft it it's stealing more than the usually enforced upon

lol

yeah, that's what I think errytime I see that picture posted

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>Please elaborate your master plan to make decent (iyo) jobs available without a college degree.

the obvious answer is trades : Germany and Finland both have a much higher perentage of second-level graduates going on to become electricians and plumbers and they both have a higher education rating than my county (and espeially yours)

if you want that poo to be cleaned up, then get more plumbers

from my own experience, I wanted to work in animation and was training myself privately by myself since I was 16. Almost all of the greatest animators got their first work without any sort of college degree, however it is almost necessary for my generation for some reason.

Now, I face an uphill battle (after being forced to drop out due to economic reasons) to try find work in this field, even though people less skilled than I am can find the same work easier

Is this the ideal system? No.

>Rape is not rape if its a gang rape

>If you elected an anarchist government

how on earth did this phrase make sense in your head?