How have teams like the Spurs and Warriors broken through as small-markets?

Unlike the Knicks, Celtics, or Lakers, the Spurs and Warriors aren't large market teams.

How did they become successful?

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The bay area is a big market

By being located on big markets.
Makes you think, doesn't it?

>Celtics
>large market

>An East coaster so far up his own ass hole he doesn't think San Antonio and the bay area aren't huge metroplexes
Color me surprised

revenue sharing makes it so most teams can afford players without trouble

Payroll really is only a factor in baseball

also you could also being in New York has hurt my knicks, never any incentive to be good because the team prints money by being in msg and free agents dont want to come here because of the media

>Spurs
>large market

>Warriors
>large market

San Antonio is like the 7th largest city in the US. That's a massive market. Then combine that with Austin, TX which is only a 45 minute drive up the freeway, it's one of the largest. Pretty sure you're unaware of the cities in texas. Not to mention, there are no other major sports teams in San Antonio, with the exception of a minor league hockey team and minor league baseball team, the whole city loves the spurs and that's all they really care about

bay area really isnt small market either though

By metro area, it's not even in the top 20

Post link then faggot

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_primary_statistical_areas_of_the_United_States

San Antonio: 30

True. There are like 30 nba teams, so it makes sense that a team in the top 30 population centers in the US would have a team. And to top it off, it's just been a successful team for a long time, so the fan base is set and die hard

San Francisco only has 800,000 people

What does metro area have to do with a team's market size when local markets extend well beyond city limits? Talk about reaching for an argument. The Spurs' market even encompasses Austin's population.

Smart management, smart staff, extremely talented scouts, draft players who are willing to adopt the organizations culture.

by having good players and coaches?

>Warriors
>Small market

The Bay area is literally one of the richest metropolitan areas in the entire world.

As for the Spurs, they just happened to solidify themselves as THE premier Texas NBA team better the Mavs and Rockets could, and therefore really lay claim to a pretty huge market. The same thing happens with Dallas sports teams more often than not cucking Houston sports teams for the greater Texas market despite the fact that both cities are roughly equal in size and value.

>the New York Jest

>Bay area
>Small market
Pick one

Being rich =/= big market

The Bay Area isn't NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Boston, Philly, etc.

Most people have it on the same tier as Seattle and Portland

so what happens to the Rams fans in the St Louis area? Do they just change team or keep supporting the Rams like good goy?

currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/largest-cities-list.php

The Bay area has just 200k less people than the Boston metropolitan area.

>Being rich =/= big market

Lel, you're a tard. It matters a shitload how rich and area is, and it's basically why Boston is always mentioned in the same breath as markets like Dallas, NY, Chicago, and LA which are way bigger. It's punches above its weight in wealth. Notice how Bay area teams suddenly started winning shit after the Silicon Valley Tech boom.

This isn't right

No way the Bay Area has 8.7 million people. I don't care what the government says

Norcal literally has a higher combined GDP than the entire Texas triangle minus Houston (DFW + Austin + San Antonio)

you only have 800,000 brain cells

Jesus. And people here think they're poor.

>all those random cowcuck colonies

>Houston, Dallas, Philly
>Unionrically mentioned in the same sentence as the bay
Wew

The Warriors represent the SF Bay at large, too. So basically everyone within an hour drive of Oracle Arena will get broadcasted Warriors game on the local NBC channel. Anywhere further you'll get Kings games.

The spurs success is tied to RC Bufford

Probably closer 20million with all the illegals

I thought the Bay Area was mostly White?

It is. The vast majority of the illegals are in Socal. The Bay area being a sanctuary city is just virtue signaling because housing prices are so insanely high in the area they can't afford to live there anyway. Oakland in fact is experiencing gentrification with all the white rich hipsters moving in, and pushing all the lower/middle class blacks and hispanics out of the city by making the cost of living unaffordable.

Which part of Cali has all the Asians?

It's not mostly anything. It's THE most multicultural region in America.

Both. Asians have a higher average income in the US than even whites.

Its not more multicultral than New York, LA, Chicago, Houston, etc.

Its mostly just effeminate white guys

A few decades ago maybe, but not anymore. Houston is probably the most multicultural city in the US now.

>chinks
>flips everywhere
>all the poo in loos in silicon valley and SJ
>dindus in the east bay
>white

>California
>Asians

When will this meme end?

Literally the most Asian state in the US

Great front office

actually hawaii is, but by population size, its CA

>Houston
>Mexicans and Anglo
>MULTI
dude lmao. And we are counting the whole bay right?
>Japs
>Chinese
>Lao
>Vietnamese
>Hmong
>All Easter euros
>Italians
>Spanish
>Portuguese
>Jew
>Blacks
>Philippines
>Irish
>Greeks
Im probably missing some. You have to remember the San Francisco Bay is one of 3 major ports on the whole west coast and was the first one of the three. Sure some ethnic groups have been pushed out of the city proper but the bay area extends all the way to Fairfield on the 80 corridor.

Houston has more Vietnamese than anywhere outside of Orange County

>t. has never been to LA or SF

Boston has less

This. Fun fact: the 3rd most commonly spoken language in Texas after English and Spanish is Vietnamese.

The Bay is also insanely segregated unlike cities like Houston and Atlanta. What amount of exaggerated multiculturalism they do have is extremely isolated from one another.

>le small market meme
I wish this term would die. Every sports team is based in a big city. Even the smallest are exposed to millions of people. It's just a buzzword the media uses to make some teams' success seem bigger when it's really completely expected (like the warriors).

Except the Bay Area is not by any standard a small market. It's both massive and rich.

If you were could pick any city to start your sports franchise in, you would easily go NY > LA > Chicago > Boston > Dallas > Bay Area > Philly > Houston and then everything after that is either a small or inconsistent market. The only reason the Bay area isn't Boston or Dallas level is because both those cities have a powerful sports media and a long established tradition of sports success, but it's arguably a more fertile market than either.

>Dallas
>Success

Are the Clippers more noteworthy in Cali than the Warriors?

They have the Cowboys which as a single franchise has a higher net worth than Lakers and NY Rangers put together.

It's basically just because of them that Dallas developed a really powerful sports media.

The Warriors were valued as the 3rd most valuable team in the NBA after the Lakers and Knicks by Forbes so lol no.

I can't believe people are actually fooled in to thinking the Bay area is a small market.

The Bay Area outside of California is GREATLY overshadowed by LA

I LITERALLY SAID IT'S NOT A SMALL MARKET. ARE YOU RETARDED? FUCK OFF YOU SWAMP MONKEY OGRE

Boston is small market

20 years Ago? Yes, because Hollywood, but in case you've been in a coma the last couple of decades, Tech companies have become the new media giants and half of them are headquartered in Silicon Valley.

It's not a coincidence that the Bay Area and Seattle have suddenly experienced so much success recently in sports and you see all these meme teams like the Warriors, Seahawks, SF Giants, and Sounders getting tons of buzz.

Except you implied there are no such thing as small markets which isn't true.

San Antonio is the 10th largest city in the entire country. The Bay Area is the 10th largest metropolitan area. In what universe are these "small markets"?

Compared to giant markets like NY yes, but realistically none of them are small.

>San Antonio
>Bay Area
>small markets

LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE FAILED 5TH GRADE GEOGRAPHY

San Antonio is 37 on this list, but then again they're right next door to Austin (45), so try reading a book.

So you were just making a completely useless point then? No fucking shit Oklahoma City isnt small when you compare it to bum fucking nowhere, but you can stick 2 teams in NY that will both make way more money than a single team in OKC.

I definitely think anyone who considers San Antonio small market doesn't really understand just how many people live in SA, Austin, and the corridor between them.

Will Nevada get BLACKED?

Combined, the Austin-San Antonio corridor has 4.5 million people or roughly the size of Phoenix and Seattle

The problem with San Antonio is that DFW and Houston are much bigger and can invade their extended market. Thats why they're stuck with only having one professional team. It's also why OKC only has one team that's also in the NBA.

San Antonio to be viable really needs to have a good chuck of Austin and some of the mid-sized cities sprinkled throughout the Texas triangle, but good luck trying to wrestle them away from Dallas when even Houston has trouble getting outside of their immediate area in the NFL and MLB.

Difference between Pheonix and San Antonio is that Pheonix is the biggest city for hundreds and hundreds of miles of its location. San Antonio has to compete with much bigger cities not far from its immediate vicinity.

Also, Pheonix still generally a poor tier market in pretty much every sport. They have just a big enough market to be reliably profitable like Denver, but have a hard ceiling for growth since it's all rural area around it until you run in to California and Texas.

>the size of the city surrounding the arena in which basketball is played is responsible for the quality of basketball player in that arena

this fully activated my almonds

Metro area is the best gauge of market size. I don't get how he was "reaching". Using city size is a terrible gauge because it's arbitrary to how It's zoned and such. Columbus has like 700,000+ but it's metro is still a cow town. St Louis is only like 300,000 but a mid major metro area. No one that's been to both would say Columbus is more than twice the market size of St Louis.

Once you get outside your metro area, your pull becomes less so you can't count them the same. Technically Helena, Montana is Denver Broncos territory. I doubt the average resident follows the Broncos like someone from Denver does.

Plus it's pretty much the highest amount of transplants in the country so loyality to the local teams is probably about the lowest in the country.

San Antonio-Austin is similar to Bay Area-Sacramento

If thats the case, that general area has 10 million people.

True, and that's also the same reason why Florida markets always seem enticing but end up being shit.

why is toronto included in the infograph?

>suburbs and adjacent cities don't exist

Canada is more of a US state than Puerto Rico.

The Gay area is several times larger than Bombston.

Even metro area is irrelevant considering teams usually have a larger fanbase than just their metro area. Packers market isn't just the shitty hamlet of Green Bay and its immidiate sorroundings, it's the entire state of Wisconsin and even part of Michigan. Arizonan teams aren't just Phoenix, it's the entire 7 million people in Arizona. Meanwhile the Spurs have two other teams to compete with in Texas alone.

Becuase Toronto is more American than Canadian.

Toronto is more middle eastern than anything.

Yet the only reasons these teams are still around is that they can afford it.

Do you think the packers would do better with two teams or lose money? Also I think Texas and CA benefit from having more than one team because really the only fans that are known for being loyal outhere are Raider fans and yet people laugh at them more than Rams fans.

>afford it
Thanks to salary cap and revenue sharing there is no such thing as poor teams and rich teams.

Them niggas are everywhere. Theres poor asians, rich asians, middle class asians. Either they are cutting you off in a nice car or a riced one. Or they are selling you bagels and donuts in the morning.

Philipinos, Koreans, Japs, Chinese. Take your fucking pick we got them all.

>San Antonio to be viable really needs to have a good chuck of Austin and some of the mid-sized cities sprinkled throughout the Texas triangle

I think it just needs to look south. American sports are fairly popular in Northern Mexico.

Packers survive as a major team by just continually being good all the time. A decade of irrelevance would probably hit them hard. The Redskins, which are in a much better market than GB, used to be a pretty big team but sucking for a long time has severely hurt their bandwagon.

Even if Packers get bad it won't force people in Milwaukee or Madison to abandon them.

>Redskins
The Redskins are a special case because most of their fanbase aren't even in the same place as the team itself. It's in Virginia which is bandwagon central, and in Maryland where they directly compete with the Ravens.

Might as well just cut out the middle man and put a team in Mexico City if you want to go that route.

>The only cities in America are Los Angeles, Boston and New York: the post.

The Clippers aren't even as noteworthy as the Warriors in LA

Pretty sure that map is radically different, now.

Chargers have joined the Jets as a no-county plurality team, for one.
Rams no longer have a hold in Missouri, they may actually carry a county in California.
Raiders may have raided the county encompassing Las Vegas.

It's a majority minority area. More non-whites than whites

>New Orleans
>Not either the Braves or Astros

JUST

>Milwaukee and Madison

Might as well cite Columbus and Cleveland as a reason why the Browns should be a huge team when they're both much bigger than Madison and Milwaukee.

Packers have a national bandwagon which is what keeps them big, but no media presence or major centralized market to shield them from years of being shit like the Cowboys do.

Stop fucking walking people

>warriors aren't big market

Columbus is actually closer to Cincinnati than to Cleveland.

Literately no one cares about Ohio cities and their proximity to each other.

Then don't bring it up brainlet. By your logic the Bengals should be the #1 team in Columbus since they're closer, but Browns remain #1 despite being garbage.

Yet it's still Browns country because they're historically the more prolific team and Cincinnati has done fuck all to wrestle it away from them.

Madison and Milwaukee ensure that the Packers will always be a viable market, but they would quickly grind down their big name appeal the moment they experience an extended time of being shit. Even the Steelers as big as they are have experienced degradation of their brand over the last decade while not even outright being shit.