So basically Pleasantville was a story about how an idyllic, perfect society slowly transformed into a shithole...

So basically Pleasantville was a story about how an idyllic, perfect society slowly transformed into a shithole, and we should cheer for that.

Alright.

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Ignorance is bliss

that is a 10 in american

No, it's a lot more nuanced than that, but I'm not going to bother explaining it to you because you already know what it's about and are choosing to dismiss the movie's message anyway.

Why don't fuck off back to your Zack Snyder threads where the goodies and baddies are clear cut and you can get lost in all the noise without thinking about anything?

Ah yes, convervatives best tactic, denial.

SO BASICALLY YOUR FAVORITE SHITTY MOVIE IS ABOUT HOW A CHARACTER OR CHARACTERS HAVE TO ACHIEVE A GOAL?

WH00000000000AAAAAAAAAAA WHAT A STUPID MOVIE SO CLICHE LOL

HOW CAN YOU LIKE THIS PIECE OF SHIT LMAO

I'M A *REAL* PATRICIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The movie is about how you can't fucking have a perfect society, perfect societies don't exist. Instead, we need to celebrate our differences and embrace them.

WHAT HAPPENED TO RILEY REID

kek

It took me a moment to figure out that the woman in the picture WASN'T holding two uncooked chickens.

hahaha her arms and hands what the fuck

Isn't that a liberal's MO, considering how good Europe is at trying to convince people that diversity, especially with the migrants, is a fantastic thing?

mirin dem forearms

His head looks like a station wagon.

she's actually australian

Isn't this usually a slight of diabetes?

This.

Fuck off back to your safe capeshit threads OP where the story is spelled out for you and you don't have to use your brain for 2 hours, you dullard, stupid, fucking lunatic full of dogshit for brains moron.

>Zack Snyder
>goodies and baddies are clear cut

one of the main distinctions about BvS that separates it from other superhero movies is that the morality of the characters is NOT clear cut at all

you've just embarrassed yourself big time
next time don't bother commenting on things you don't understand

sign*

>Fuck off back to your safe capeshit threads OP where the story is spelled out for you and you don't have to use your brain for 2 hours, you dullard, stupid, fucking lunatic full of dogshit for brains moron.

Keep defending libshit propaganda, faggot.

diversity is a good thing if you're not a neckbeard racist.

Yeah it's like the screenwriter had never read Bowling Alone.

LLOOOOOOOOOOOLLL

I am better than you in every single way
I'm smarter, more well read, I had a better education than you
I'm richer, more liked, my family is wealthier
my shoes probably cost more than your house
I only come to this board every now and then to laugh at losers
and you sir, have given me the biggest laugh of my day so far
thank you, loser

Man, being even 50% as fat as that is a sign of diabetes (type 2).

I googled the pic, while she is fat, the form are disfigurement is the result of some disease called Lymphedema and Lipedema

>haha
>I only come to Sup Forums to look down on other anons

just fuck off

no one here cares about your made up life, fuck off

>we need to celebrate our differences and embrace them.

Working great for Europe.

diversity is like religious faith in how people consider it inherently virtuous but are incapable of explaining why

>libshit

Quit living in such a black and white world, you smug fucking sucka. Truly, I feel sorry for your head, it's full of fucking nothing but garbage fumes and piss. I sincerely hope you fucking wake up soon and realise what a phenomenal film Pleasantville is, you small brained, royal fuck of a shit.

I drink lots of vodka. That cleans out my system, and even cleans my teeth (I haven’t brushed in years, and haven’t had a cavity since).

I also eat a liverwurst sandwich pretty much every day – to counterbalance the effects the vodka has on my liver. I make my sandwiches on seeded rye (because it’s the healthiest bread), with mayo (because eggs are the best protein; I use kewpie, because the msg makes it taste better), coarse mustard (good for the white blood cells), zucchini pickles (because they taste good), and a bunch of baby spinach (just for filler; it could honestly be left out).

I also eat a lot of canned fish (mostly sardines, but also the occasional fancy smoked oysters) on saltines. They give you all your essential amino acids, and provide a nice opportunity to try out various hot sauces, which are generally very low in calories, while high in flavor and immensely prodigious to healthiness.

Aside from that, I drink large amounts of water (anywhere between ice-cold to slightly chilled) every day, always through a straw, and sometimes with a lemon wedge.

To each their own, I say, but I’m just shy of 30 and am doing better than most of you.

> wake up soon

This mothafucka' is actually telling me to wake up when communities are burning due to the failed experiment of multiculturalism.

I've LIVED this shit, faggot. Get at me.

That's why every other animal on the planet lives like it's a Disney movie right?
Oh no.
Literally birds of a feather.

By that logic though, user, we're all homo sapiens and are thus all part of the same species. It would make sense that we would all come together for the betterment of our kind.

I don't know why I'm reasoning with you, though. You hate for superficial reasons because you're either stupid or haven't been exposed to much in life.

That's why magpies live wing-in-wing with doves, right?

No it's about discovering sex. Everyone who got colored either lost their virginity or masturbated for the first time.

Ask any person that's been on aid relief to Africa and they will tell you it is a fucking soul destroying experience. Rapes, attacks, etc. This isn't hate. The true reality is that people are tribal. And also some cultures are just better than others.

Your view of the world is sitting together and singing campire songs and holding hands. Spare me this bullshit, dude.

And most hivemind insects work for the Utilitarian good of the whole.

What's your point?

Humans are smarter than any other animal because we're able to cooperate and problem solve through reason.

>ask any person that's been to Africa

but I'm assuming you've never been, right?

>woooo africa is soooo scary
>woooo niggers are animals

You're full of shit and the sad thing is you don't even realize it

>Your view of the world is sitting together and singing campfire songs

Or just not being a racist. You're the one with the unrealistic viewpoint that judges billions of people, myself included, that you've never met and likely will never meet.

Fat people are cancer

Prepare your anuses

The family situation comedies on television in the 1950s were not realistic. The problems the characters dealt with were often trivial, while many real-world problems were utterly ignored.

Instead, they often showed fathers and mothers who were happily married and wise enough to help their children through the crises of their lives. They showed a world where people were largely safe. Children could play outside in the neighborhood and parents didn't think twice about it. There were no drugs or guns in the schools. Authority figures were sincerely trying to do their jobs well.

These shows generally belonged to the genre of Bumbling Comedy -- everyone means well, or at least doesn't mean much harm, but through mistakes or small mischief, they cause repercussions they didn't expect, and have to face those consequences and make repairs or amends by the end of the half hour.

They did what they tried to do rather well. But they were ... well, silly.

In the movie Pleasantville, we see a couple of dysfunctional '90s teenagers torn by problems endemic to our time. Their divorced parents are having that most devastating of arguments: You take the kids! No, you take the kids! The mother is going off to have a weekend of sex with a younger boyfriend. The daughter, who has responded to the shattering of her family with meaningless, promiscuous sexual encounters with men, thinks that with her mom out of the house she can finally have sex with the really cool guy she's set her sights on. The son, equally damaged, lives for the reruns of the '50's sitcom Pleasantville, and this weekend is a marathon.

>>woooo africa is soooo scary
>>woooo niggers are animals

Some of the blacks in Africa certainly do act like animals. And yes, Africa is an absolutely fucking horrifying place where shit cannot be done, infrastructure either rots or is not built, you'll have malaria more than you'll have hot meals, and warlords are the ruling class. It is a post-apocalpytic-tier hellhole.

It's like I'm explaining this to a nine year old. Are you legitimately fucking retarded?

When their remote control is broken, a TV repairman shows up uncalled and gives them a magical remote control that plunges the kids into that sitcom, with all its artificiality and empty comedy. Not surprisingly, they find that reality is better than theatricality that only allows a twisted, vacuous vision that ignores most of reality. The books in the library are blank; the world is grey; everyone does the same things over and over again, with neither the need nor the possibility of change.

The stage is set for a satire on the artificiality of television. But why did they go to the fifties for a show to satirize? Television comedy is still about finding characters and situations that the audience will enjoy, getting them comfortable enough to sit and watch the commercials, and then never changing a formula that works. Imagine getting caught inside Seinfeld or Frasier, for instance. I have enjoyed both shows -- but reality is just as selected and the formula is just as repetitive, and it's still all about holding the audience for commercials. From Donna Reed to Fonzie to the smirky Three's Company to Roseanne to Friends, see one episode and you know what to expect from the next one. That's how television comedy works. That's why we tune in.

The reason why they had to go to the fifties soon becomes clear, however. For this is not a satire on television. It is a satire on the values of the fifties. The point of the movies Pleasantville is not just that people caught in a television show need to discover reality, it's that people who think the fifties represented a better time in American culture than today are completely wrong. For even though today has problems, those problems come from freedom and change, and change is inevitable and freedom is irreversible, and anyone who tries to return to those old values or cling to the few that survive is a bigot and a fascist-to-be.

The 90's teenage slut -- clearly a tragically dysfunctional girl desperate for love and clueless about how to find it -- is treated as the great liberator of these people, for as she teaches them to have profligate sex up at Lover's Lane, they start seeing colors, and then turn into full-colored human beings themselves. Their lives are disrupted by the changes, as double beds are brought into town for the first time and colorful modern art (plus a token Rembrandt) is discovered and books are finally available to be read. Some people embrace the changes; others try to stop them. And we know who the good guys are -- the "coloreds," who are banned from some stores and relegated to the balcony in the courthouse while the grey people burn books and hold Inquisition-style trials to punish those who dare to put their banned art on a public wall.

The message is clear: Bad as the 90's seem to be, they are a great improvement over the 50's, where sex was hidden away and racism prevailed and books were banned and McCarthyism ruled. So don't vote Republican or pay attention to religious people, because they are just hypocrites who want to control you and spoil all your fun. As for Ken Starr, he's downright evil to go on a witch hunt about sex. Pick your stock liberal shibboleth, and it's there in Pleasantville, artistically presented and powerfully performed.

Too bad it's a pack of lies.

Here's a clue, because they need one: It was only 50's television that was black and white. Real life in the 50's was in living color.

People in the 50's had sex. They had it a lot. That's why they call it the Baby Boom.

Adults in the 50's knew all about change. Adults in that decade had lived through the Depression, had watched a generation of young men march off to war, many of them never to return. They had won a war against one vile totalitarian system, only to see half the world fall under the control of another while they were helpless to prevent it because traitors gave our atomic secrets to the dictators.

But they also knew change could be good. The GI Bill had opened the doors of the colleges to hundreds of thousands of men who would never have dreamed of higher education till then. They watched, mostly with pride, as American aid helped Europe and Japan rise from the ashes. Americans in the 50's knew that we were different from all previous conquerors -- we did not grind the faces of the vanquished, we raised them up and tried to make friends of them.

And more changes were coming. Though bigotry died hard, it was in the 50's that Jim Crow began to lose his grip on the South, and racism began to move out of the mainstream and into the closet. It was in the 50's, too, that women moved into the workforce in ever increasing numbers, those who wanted to or needed to, laying the groundwork for positive change in the treatment -- and payment -- of women.

Legal barriers of censorship fell. Divorce laws became less stringent and divorce became both more common and easier to get. Rock-and-roll and the Beat Generation made their presence known in the American consciousness. All in the 1950's. It would be hard to imagine a more colorful decade.

But all these changes were only possible because society was founded on stable institutions and shared values. Today people say, "You can't stop kids from having sex," but in the 50's, an era before the pill and before legal abortion, when even condoms were hard to get, out-of-wedlock pregnancies were rare. The only conclusion we can reach is that for all the talk about necking in the back seat of the car, there wasn't that much sex going on among kids. Society's customs and sanctions were doing a splendid job of helping kids keep a rein on their sexual desires until they were old enough to handle them more responsibly.

Very few children -- but more and more of them, as divorce increased -- grew up in one-parent homes. Children could expect to live with the same two parents until they left home to start their own lives. Drugs were around, but were rare, and were never used among ordinary decent people. Crime existed, but children were still being taught that policemen were their friends, and we trick-or-treated in our neighborhoods, with parents tagging along only with the very youngest. We knew our neighborhoods were safe; everybody was looking out for everybody else's kids.

All right folks, let's have a show of hands. How many of you would like to be able to raise your kids in a neighborhood like that? How many of you would like -- or would have liked -- your kids to grow up in a home with a good Mom and Dad who love each other and who might even be the same ones they were born to? How many of you would like to not even have to wonder whether a gun might go off or a drug deal go down at the neighborhood school?

So what, exactly, was the message of Pleasantville?

Did she eat Riley Reid????

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>express.co.uk/news/world/713032/Sweden-chaos-no-go-zones-increased-police-lose-control
>washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/
>sputniknews.com/art_living/201609121045224004-sweden-police-problems/
>newobserveronline.com/berlin-invader-crime-halts-dhl-deliveries/
>express.co.uk/news/world/653754/Ostersund-cancels-Earth-Hour-festival-over-fears-of-migrant-sex-attacks
>bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36713031/more-than-40-sex-assaults-reported-at-two-swedish-festivals

lovin that diversity

The filmmakers certainly tried to seem honest. They may even believe that they achieved honesty. After all, they showed a broken home in the contemporary sequences. They had the girl change from being a slut to actually reading books (though anybody who thinks you'll find provocative sex in Lady Chatterly's Lover is going to be sadly disappointed). And when the boy came home, his mother was also giving up on her weekend of sex with her young lover because it was, after all, empty.

So Pleasantville may not be deliberately dishonest. But the writers of the film probably haven't had a reasonable conversation with a person who doesn't share their liberal mindset in the past twenty years. In fact, they are so insulated from contrary opinions, and have so demonized anyone who has such opinions, that they are now incapable of hearing a new idea no matter how obvious it is or how overwhelming the evidence might be. They absolutely refuse to admit any possibility that the misery that so many people live in today might be the direct consequence of having repudiated the values of the 1950's, and that the only hope of alleviating that misery in the future is to recover those lost values.

But this is where the kneejerk bigoted response kicks in: Oh, you mean values like racism? Women forced to stay home and tend children and bake cookies?

No, in fact, I don't mean that. The elimination of race-based law that began in the fifties was overdue and a moral imperative. Too bad that we've returned to race-centered law again. And I recall very clearly how painful it was for my mother to have to leave her home and children and go to work when my dad's health and his sign company failed, and how she longed to return home because nothing she did at work compared in value, in her mind, to what she could be and had been doing at home with her kids and her church work. Women weren't forced to stay in the kitchen. They got to stay in the kitchen if they wanted to. But not now. It's regarded as a sin against feminism if a woman decides that a career is trivial compared to the importance of her family.

But see how I've allowed the bigots to kidnap my own diatribe? The fact remains that there are plenty of women who chose careers in the 60's and later who now regret that decision, discovering that their lives are now as empty and frustrating as the lives of their husbands already were -- for a life spent in service to a corporation doesn't have much lasting value in it, while a life spent raising children can be filled with immeasurable rewards -- grief, yes, and I've tasted some of that, but it's the grief that comes from being caught up in something larger than yourself that you value more than yourself; while the corporate life is always, in the end, very much smaller than the people who devote their lives to it, and they have to shrink themselves to fit.

HOW THE FUCK

ARMS DONT WORK LIKE THAT

And if you took a poll of African-American families in the crime-ridden, drug-infested pockets of direst poverty and asked them how they like being "integrated," I can't imagine that you'd hear anything but bitter laughter, or maybe tears, for they are more segregated than ever, and any success they do achieve is scorned because everyone "knows" that they couldn't have done it without affirmative action. There are no more lynchings -- but drive-bys are out-killing the KKK in its heyday. In the fifties, colored men were put down, but most Black children had a father. In the fifties, a Negro who achieved something was respected and admired inside his community and out -- patronizingly, yes, as a "credit to his race," but with full knowledge of how he or she had to struggle to achieve that position; today, the same Black is assumed, even more patronizingly, to have his position because some white person was displaced to make room for him. If you doubt me, just see what gets said about Clarence Thomas and tell me that the American Left has eliminated patronizing attitudes toward Blacks.

So all that joy when the Jim Crow laws were swept away, all that hopefulness for a brighter day -- where's that brighter day? Are more Black children or fewer getting a good education now?

Again, the bigots will tear into what I've just said and attack me for saying that "we should return to segregation." But that's the opposite of what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that we still have segregation and it is still rigidly enforced by the laws of our country and a whole new crop of Uncle Toms are collaborating in the continued oppression of a huge number of Blacks, blocking any sincere effort to get them into the mainstream of American life, because they profit more politically from keeping them isolated and keeping them down.

I cannot find any point at which the 90's are morally or ethically better than the 50's, despite the illusion of freedom. How much freedom is a child born out of wedlock given to decide how he'll grow up? How much freedom is there for the children whose parents divorce? Where is the freedom for people who want to protest what they see as the great evil of abortion? Freedom of speech has been taken away from them, and the move is afoot to extend hate-speech laws to punish and silence opposition to the homosexual activist agenda, too.

In fact, the 90's most resemble the 50's in one area in particular: McCarthyism. Demagogues manipulating public opinion to rouse a frenzy against people who threaten the grip of the governing elite on the informational, educational and political institutions of America. I see no difference whatsoever between the dishonest, deliberately deceptive smear campaigns against Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas, and most recently Ken Starr, and the smear campaigns of Tailgunner Joe and many other demagogues of the 50's. The behavior of the Democratic Party, behaving in a shockingly partisan manner over the impeachment matter, while Republicans, of all people, were the only voices of calm and reason -- well, if you want to see the worst political moments of the 50's replayed live and in color, just tune in C-SPAN and look for the word "Democrat" under the talking head. It makes me pretty damned ashamed to be a Democrat today, I'll tell you.

Which brings me back to Pleasantville. Because the blindness of the American cultural elite today is absolutely epitomized by the dishonesty, the utter falseness of Pleasantville. The worst thing about it, though, is that unlike Reefer Madness, whose twin for intellectual integrity it is, Pleasantville is a marvelously entertaining movie, well written and well performed.

>tfw women mistake being a whore for being independent

But being better-made art does not change the fact that by its dishonesty, its gross misrepresentation of both the present and the past, and its smug insistence that all the misery that people go through today, which they did not have to go through (at least in such numbers) back then, is merely the price of freedom or can be solved by embracing the inevitability of change, Pleasantville has become exactly what it started out to satirize: A hypocritical sitcom reassuring everybody that no matter how bad things seem in the real world, it's really all for the best.

Pleasantville really is Ozzie and Harriet for the 90's. Everything today will be just fine, Mom, if you'll just sit down with your wise son and let him wipe away your tears.

But there's a key difference here. If, in the 1950's, you believed in Father Knows Best and tried your hardest to model your life after the parents on that show, you weren't guaranteed happiness, but you had a pretty good shot at it. While today, if you model your behavior on the values celebrated as "colorful" by Pleasantville, you'll find that casual sex, adultery, wives moving out of their homes when their husbands fail to understand them, and spouting platitudes about embracing change do not, in fact, bring you even the tiniest step closer to creating any kind of happiness for yourself or the people you love.

Pleasantville is, in fact, a celebration of the values that made Bill Clinton such a memorable president. He is believed by most Americans to be just as much a slut as the girl in the movie. And, because they believe the moral values taught them by people like these filmmakers, they keep telling the pollsters that it's OK that the President puts nooky ahead of the nation's business, and lies to everybody around him for his political advantage, and attacks those who accuse him just as McCarthy did back in the 50's.

The difference between Clinton and McCarthy in their attacks on their detractors is not in the level of truthfulness -- those are identical: all lies. No, the difference is that no one from the cultural elite has yet stood up to Clinton and named him and his vitriolic defenders for what he is: The same smug power-seeking hypocritical demagogues as those who used anti-Communism in the 50's.

Pleasantville is not a film about intolerance. It is a film that practices intolerance, painting a ludicrously false picture of the values that moral conservatives are trying to defend, and then defaming them for it, allowing no possibility that there is even the slightest value to any of their cries of protest about what is happening to the society that we all have to share whether we like it or not.

We get it, everything was better on the 50s and it was exactly as it was portrayed on the sitcoms. Women are evil, niggers are evil and jews are the mastermind behind cultural marxism and all this degeneracy because they're really smart but whites are still the master race despite they have been manipulated by the jews for so long and the jews perform better at IQ tests. MAGA, the day has come, except Trump openly rejects the alt-right movement but Trump always speak his mind except when he say something you guys don't like, then he's manipulating the audience but only you guys know what he really mean

Was this thread really needed?

We get it, everyone is stupid but you.

Was this post really needed?

When you refer to "diversity", when you refer to "introducing people to one another" and "bringing people of all cultures together in harmony", is this what you had in mind?

youtube.com/watch?v=vqJKCxhWSHw

Your guy won, can't you chill? It's like you guys were on the losing side

>being this triggered

GJ

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43
LOOK AT ALL THAT BLACK CRIME.

Say the guy who wrote this autist rant or at least support him unironically

No its not. They have to wipe everyones face in it though. Polcucks wouldn't stop shitposting for a week after he won on many of the boards. I'm still seeing them around here and there.

Leave it to a liberal to make wild accusations with no basis in reality.

europe is being overrun by people who don't want to celebrate their differences.

Pleasantville is about how the 1950's image of a perfect family, perfect town and perfect life was just that- an image. As the color seeps into their world and it becomes more real it shows how the reality differed from the image.

Name one (1) thing that's better in America now than then.

brah she really really looks like an american tho; are you sure?

The internet.

Is that Popeye?

Being able to tell people to kill themselves for liking shitty movies is fun but I don't feel like my life has been enriched.

We have technological innovations like cell phones and the internet.

modern medicine has made pretty good advances in the last 60 years

Pleasantville is about the evils of family, morality, and goodness and how these things should be stamped out in the name of (((progress))).

>cell phones
minor convenience, who do we need to talk to so urgently?

I know this is the easiest statement to refute in the world but I really don't give a shit about people dying of less diseases. I don't want to live beyond 70 and the idea of a 1/100 chance of dying young doesn't bother me much either.

People have more freedom to do what they want without society judging them for it. I have to phrase it this way because if i specifically talk about women or minorities you'll say BUT THEYRE RUINING EVERYTHING

My gf can fuck other girls with me and no one says shit about it

>people have more freedom to do what they want without society judging them for it
Would you say that a society that allows me to jerk off on my dog's face is superior to one that doesn't?

Not everything people want to do is a good idea. Social norms didn't pop into existence out of a vacuum. They're the culmination of countless generations worth of trial, error, common sense and philosophy. You can't wipe that out because 'feels good man.'

Perverted weirdos have always existed, they just had to lower the curtains.

The Jews demonize the 1950s because it was the last decade that white Americans held complete dominance over all institutions in society.

What is she going to do with to these two belugas?

People demonize the 1950s because if you were anything other than a WASP, you didn't have equal protections within society.

Quit being thick

>a society that allows me to jerk off on my dog's face
Why do these conversations always devolve into bestiality?

>McCarthy in their attacks on their detractors is not in the level of truthfulness -- those are identical: all lies

McCarthy literally did nothing wrong though and probably under-estimated the problem

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project

If you look like that, diabetes is probably the least of your worries honestly

I like how people of your mindset always jump straight to bestiality, the laws on which have only tightened in the last 50 years, whenever someone indicates being able to do whatever with whomever, as long as breaking no laws, is no longer considered HARAM by society.

Then in the same breath as wishing for a more repressed and restrictive state, you'll whine about islam.

As far as your appeal to tradition, the foundation of the vast majority of "social norms" are based in the idea that STDs were the wrath of god directly punishing sinners, rather than, ya know, microscopic parasites.

Diversity makes us stronger! Fuck off back to Canada cuck boy.

McCarthy did a lot wrong and completely misunderstood the problem. For while he was doing everything he could to keep bela lugosi from creating a haram of communist vampires (read: operating on the assumption that communist infiltration would happen from the top down) the KGB was working from the bottom up, resulting in the summer of love and civil rights.

Yep, the muh degeneracy crowd never realize that they're advocating for the same society as the Muzzies they supposedly hate

>they just had to lower the curtains.
public indecency is still a criminal offense and there are still laws on the books that criminalize sexual acts between consenting adults.

>if you were anything other than a WASP, you didn't have equal protections within society.

And there is literally nothing wrong with that. Egalitarianism is a failure.

those wiener kids ruined it, especially the slutty reese witherspoon. thanks a lot, go go 90's kids.

There is definitely something wrong with a Democratic society having inequality codified in law. And there's something disgraceful about preventing certain religious, ethnic, racial, etc., groups from contributing and growing economically for the benefit of another group.

Before you call me an SJW, I'm not, but I also don't stand for prejudice.

Besides, the 1950s gee golly American suburb lifestyle is a fucking bore. Bunch of boring tight-asses with shit taste in art and a forgettable culture.

Like 90 percent of the movies and music people love from the next two decades were a refutation of the rigidness of the 1950s. It was a spiritually and culturally empty decade.

You give away how much you're ignorant about theology if you think Christianity and Islam as the same.

Some behaviours need to be suppressed for the benefit of society. For example, abortion and birth control have lowered the birth rate to the point that Western countries import millions of immigrants as a replacement.

>There is definitely something wrong with a Democratic society having inequality codified in law.

That's exactly what the United States was founded upon. Before you sperg out with "all men are created equal", the congress of 1790 defined who could become an American citizen. It was white Europeans.

No significant permanent non-white immigration happened in the United States until the 20th century, and even then it was after 1965.

Not all men are equal.

>And there's something disgraceful about preventing certain religious, ethnic, racial, etc., groups from contributing and growing economically for the benefit of another group.

I agree, which is why those different religious and ethnic groups need to be governed by themselves, in their own countries.

I won't defend slavery because inevitably the power structures that exist to harness the slaves erode and suddenly you have a disgruntled foreign horde within your borders. It's better just to pick cotton with free white labour.

i'd say the 60's was more spiritually empty. we are still dealing with the fallout from that shitty burnout decade.

>Besides, the 1950s gee golly American suburb lifestyle is a fucking bore. Bunch of boring tight-asses with shit taste in art and a forgettable culture.

The 1950s was the peak of Pax-Americana. Never before had a country held such a high level of influence simultaneously in Europe, South America and Asia.

The only thing comparable and arguably even better was 1990s USA, but only thanks to the destruction of the Soviet Union and having no true equal on the world stage.

No you BIGOT. Healthy at ANY size

>No significant permanent non-white immigration happened in the United States until the 20th century
Is this nigga serious?

its not like you'd get laid under such societal structures