MINISTRY - ANTIFA

New Ministry music video, thoughts?
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I havent seen it. I assume its just an angry and directionless attack on things they happen to dislike.

It is named "ANTIFA" so.

i can't tell if it's a cash grab by al so he can appeal to a new audience, or satire. either way, the song isn't that good so it fails as both.

What the fuck, is this a joke?

Those effects are stock effects that can be found in Sony Vegas, I have used those effects and have used them better, how ocould anyone put this together and thought this was good in any capacity? How can AL not see how absolutely shit this music video is?

Aside from that, the music is no better.

What the fuck happened.

THIS SITE IS FINISHED

what the fuck, Al, what are you doing you dumbass

how pathetic

>Those effects are stock effects that can be found in Sony Vegas, I have used those effects and have used them better, how ocould anyone put this together and thought this was good in any capacity? How can AL not see how absolutely shit this music video is?

have you been living under a rock for the past 4 years? Have you zero grasp of aesthetics? its so easy to see where they are going with the video

just like that Prophets of Rage video

>its so easy to see where they are going with the video
Making it intentionally looking like shit? I could make better static imagery with Vegas.
I didn't actually see that one.

>Making it intentionally looking like shit?
to put it bluntly, yes? have you not been following trends? Im just saying that you dont come off as particularly knowledgeable on video even though you dabble with it

I don't give a shit about "trends", yes, I don't follow them, especially if this is their idea of an aesthetic. This is utter shit, it is just an excuse not to put an effort in.

hahahah

It's the truth. It's lazy

name a single more embarrassing band to enjoy in the current year than ministry

I can't do it

>go to see death grips and ministry
>after dg ends about 70% of the crowd leaves
>ministry is blowing up giant chicken trumps with swastikas crossed out on them

>the swastikas are reversed
>al hates indians

The lyrics and video are so bad that it's hard to tell whether he's for or against Antifa.

What does this band have to do with DG?

is DG on some new dadaist performance art phase where they tour with shitty GWAR ripoffs?

I'm glad I didn't stay to see these faggots after DG ended.

>not knowing ministry
death grips fans are literal children lmao

Don't blame him, Al ruined Ministry's legacy

>fans of a band that rose to fame in the 2010s band don't know about some cheesy metal band that has been irrelevant for like 20 years

WOW REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

>Al
>Good
The dude was insane 10 years ago and completely disappeared from anyone several times, what are you expecting

>muh masculinity

i would expect people who are supposedly into industrial-type music to be at least familiar in passing with ministry. This shit's pretty bad but they still have more worthwhile music than death grips hands down

>defines anarchy as something inherently bad right at the beginning
>makes a song for antifa, an anarchist organization
Al get off the drugs you're too old

true

>Sup Forumsdrones don't know shit about where their favorite band came from or what influenced them
Sounds about right

Ministry didn't influence DG, DG are barely industrial, they are too varied and experimental to just be labeled "industrial" the same way Ministry is, they are much more influenced by acts like Atari Teenage Riot and Tackhead and even Public Enemy in terms of sampling, but yeah enjoy your old fart liberal fuck Drumpf propaganda band, I'll be waiting for DG next game-changer.

I'm not even sure if the song is pro antifa. It's hard to tell.

Atari Teenage Riot were radical leftism before radical leftism became trendy.

I'm talking musically, and obviously DG don't concern themselves with politics much

Probably a nasty case of Poe's law

the comment section is pure cancer, crying about a song about antifa, fucking facists.

>the band that shares sound with the other band had nothing to do with it because my feels
Yep, a DG fan alright

Let's all mourn and remember the one good Ministry album
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>shares sound

by this logic you could argue that almost any artist ever sounds like every artist before them

stop being retarded

why is this board just a never-ending jerkfest of lame dudes offering their lame generalizations? what are you trynna prove? you've clicked more things on spotify?
Why do you even post here? do you just hate yourself?

>antifa fags
>Sup Forums fags

it baffles me how you faggots don't realize that you're both faggots, and how no one is really right at all

both sides just want to be right, and have that distract them from dying

Antifa is terrible and their methods are counter-productive, but they are better than Sup Forums because being an anti-fascist is better than being a fascist

this is one of the cringiest things I've ever seen. the guy looks like a literal crackhead though so the lack of self-awareness makes sense

Being a communist is not better than being a fascist

Antifa are not just communists, but even those who are communists, you have to understand Anarcho-Communism is not the same version of communism which was implemented in the USSR. it's not an ideology i support, but in a system of Anarcho-communism you do not have a dictator like what the USSR had.

In the other hand, having a dictator is a key component of fascism, which is part of why fascism is worse. not to mention, at least communists are driven by wanting to help people, which something you cannot say about neo-nazis who are clearly driven by hatred towards others.

art and ideology are enmeshed son

I don't like sectarianism in general

of course it is faggot

what is the DG ideology?

it aint free market capitalism bb!

Anarchy is just as destructive as a dictator. Even if it takes longer.

I know antifa are anarchists. Communism is inherently anarchist, the USSR was socialist. I won't really argue this further because I don't want a ban like I got last time I argued with a lefty on Sup Forums.

all Sup Forums is drumpf-tard supporters.

its is known.

and its sad.

but whatever.

niggr faggot joo cuck

Many of them support a system of anarcho-syndicalism similar to what was in Catalonia. i don't support that system, but it's certainly not as bad as fascism

You say the USSR is "Socialist" to try and put people who support social democracy(aka the Nordic system) in the same basket as the soviet union, even though they are entirely different systems.

Saying that the USSR was socialist is a gross oversimplification of what the USSR actually was, and you oversimplify on purpose to push a political agenda, which is what right-wingers always do

hey!

ive never (you)'d a trip fag bfore

good on you, faggot!

lets be the change.

fuck this orange fascists shit.

Literal strawman. I have never in my entire life said that scandinavia is socialist. I define socialism as the revocation of markets and capitalism ("workers (or government) owning the means of production"). Calling the USSR socialist rather than communist is not my "agenda", I call it socialist because it they objectively weren't communist. If you wanna call them something else then explain what label would fit them better.

>C
Fucking newfag

Thanks for clarifying your position, i'm just tired of talking with people who pretend there is no difference between the Nordic system and the USSR when they are in fact undeniably different systems.

This comment is pure cancer, crying about posts about an irrelevant Industrial band, fucking jew.

>still trying to deny DG are/were industrial and thus logically got influenced by prominent bands in the genre
This is why DG fans are a meme

So this is what lefties mean when they say they are the only ones good at art.

holy shit how fucking ignorant can you be

>having a dictator is a key component of fascism, which is part of why fascism is worse
why is it worse? You just say it's worse without offering a reason why

>at least communists are driven by wanting to help people, which something you cannot say about neo-nazis who are clearly driven by hatred towards others.
commies are driven by hatred of bourgeoisie not by wanting to "help" anyone, but by tearing down everything they dislike. you're just stupid and ignorant

>Entire platform is based on silencing and threatening those they don't approve of
>But we're not fascism, see it's even in our name
>But this brand of insane communism is different this time!
Reminder that people like you would be the first to be shot and kicked into a ditch under an actual communist regime, and I don't mean that as an insult. Why would you defend it?

"("workers (or government) owning the means of production"" doesnt need to go against the market.

>not as bad as fascism
What's inherently wrong with fascism?
Even Nazi Germany was doing great until Hitler went insane.
If lefties are so keen on one ideology directly responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths, why is an infinitely less harmful one still such a boogeyman for them?

because fascism is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and doesn't allow us to break our prolaterian chains and end wage labour

go kill yourself m8

he's right you dumb fuck. Nazis were doing great for the first 6 years

You're free to break your own chains, the only thing keeping you is your lack of skill in managing yourself. You're free to tell your boss to fuck off today then spend the rest of your life trying to one-man use whatever skills you have to survive. If that was a feasible means of living, everyone would have done it already.
Instead you want some retarded system of ruling-class-enforced readjustment for your meager contribution to society, rendering everyone's will to contribute completely null when there's no motivation to do literally anything.

ok FASCIST RACIST MOTHERFUCKER
America doesnt need you either.

fuck off immediately.

suicide is acceptable.

nice word salad not an argument read gothrakritk

>muh boojwah
Funny how commies always complain about this, then advocate replacing them with an infinitely more oppressive and untouchable group, the capital-s State
It's like the Gasden snake saying 'at least it's not big government" while being treaded on by megacorporations
Do you think a monolithic government entity is going to be benevolent towards the masses of classless and utterly dependent people in its hands?

kek
Also I'm not American

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence realizes that the far left is just as fucked as the far right. Both ideologys can fuck off.

see

I genuinely have no clue what that is, google just brings up arcane German shit

far right actually makes sense though, far left is just nihilism and chaos

>Nazis were doing great for the first 6 years
That's exactly how totalitarian regimes operated: they were seemingly great for a couple of years, but then - pow! Millions are dead.

>not american

obviously

most americans arent either

which is the shame

god you are stupid.

This will alienate a lot of their fans who were in the more right wing side of the 9/11 truther/Alex Jones/conspiracy theory/anti-war bandwagon Ministry were on.
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>>>/plebbit/

Are you completely stupid? Firstly, it's a cult of personallity and no system based around that will work for a very long time. Look at North Korea, which has been dying on it's arse for the last, well since it's inception. The reason democracy works well is because you can chuck someone out if they do a shit job. One of the huge problems Nazi Germany had was that they could get rid of Hitler even though he had no idea what he was doing when it came to the economy and the military. Remember that all of his advisers were against many of his military plans and a lot of economists believe Nazi Germany would've gone broke by about 1943/4 if not for the war.

Secondly, fascism eventually eats itself and leads to infighting. You know what made the Roman Empire so great? When they conqured a new people, they didn't care what those people looked like or anything as long as they were willing to work or join the army. Fascism is inherently a very "in-group" ideology. All it leads to is people fighting about who's the most in out of everybody.

Nazi Germany was also doing pretty badly, just as Italy was, because fascism is actually really bad for productivity in the long run. Hitler had each branch of the government and military working against each other for his favour. That works for short term results, but the Nazis could never coordinate very well. Much the same problem Italy had where their industry was a barrel of shit because no department could actually communicate with each other and work together. The Allies made great use of teamwork. The old: American brawn, British brain and Russian blood. All facets worked closely, especially the UK and USA.

Fascism just isn't a very good philosophy. If it's so great then how come Germany and Italy got destroyed in WW2, despite starting at such an advantage? If it's so great, how come democracy and capitalism have created the most advanced, fair and productive civilisations the world has seen?

I'm pretty stumped desu.

Go home Al - Industrial is inherintly fascistic

your claim that the video is intentionally bad to be commensurate with 'undesign' trends would make more sense if the music itself wasn't similarly terrible, without any registers of irony to be found

Nazi Germany was the only one who tried genocide, and that was widely criticized by a lot of other fascists as unnecessary. It's a shame fasciam is so synonymous with Hitler, because you have places like Spain up to the 70s that continued to do great under Franco.
Meanwhile there hasn't been a single instance of communism that HASN'T rapidly turned into genocide

I saw it live when they were touring with death grips in Houston and the cheesiness of that song in particular caught me so off guard i was fucking lmaoing

my favorite part was when they had the flag dancers dressed as black bloc memebers

The cult of personality isn't required. Fascism is any sort of nationalist authoritarianism. The Roman Empire is a poor example because of how imperial it was- no one in today's far-right is interested in conquest. Hell, the rise of a lot of this shit in the US is a reaction to the horseshit in the Middle East that's been going on forever for no good reason.
Capitalism is normally what I'd advocate but I personally feel it's reaching its breaking point. When a country is completely turned against itself and nationalism/patriotism is at an all-time low, why would you not want to intervene before it gets worse, especially with a major military conflict or even war on the horizon?

>he's calling fascism bad so he must be a commie!
Communism also doesn't work. Both aren't very good. In fact both are pretty terrible at making stable, solid nation states. You know what's good at doing that? Democracy. Which is why it's the dominant form of government. And is one of the longest running forms of government.

"Guys we intentionally made it bad, So now it's good right?"

Uh no, Making something intentionally shit still means it's shit.

Far right makes sense only if you live in the fucking 19th and 20th century you fucking primitive.

of course it is, if you are a faggot**

Antifa is an authoritarian movement. They try to prevent people from speaking freely. Not just actual Nazis (who should still be free to speak), but even people with mild conservative views like Milo. Shame to see this from Ministry, I agree with most of their edgy political stuff.

Man, Whats it like to be an actual fucking idiot?

>The reason democracy works well is because you can chuck someone out if they do a shit job
oh yeah, most voters definitely vote with reason and logic, not emotion and marketing budget of political campaigns. Trump won because he's great, not because of Russia's interference, Wikileaks propaganda etc. And Hillary having so much support despite a ton of people despising her was because she's a great politician, not because of her astronomical campaign budget, right?

>Fascism is inherently a very "in-group" ideology. All it leads to is people fighting about who's the most in out of everybody.
There is literally nothing wrong with being ultra-nationalistic and wanting your people to prosper and succeed. The Nazis fucked up and took it too far, but they were also hated by almost everyone else which broke them, not their in-group problems.

>The Allies made great use of teamwork. The old: American brawn, British brain and Russian blood. All facets worked closely, especially the UK and USA.
Do you not see the problem with this? This kind of attitude is exactly what lead to mass immigration, hyper capitalism, loss of culture, tradition etc, just for economic success. You're just obsessed with money.

>If it's so great, how come democracy and capitalism have created the most advanced, fair and productive civilisations the world has seen?
There's nothing wrong with capitalism, what's wrong is western capitalism. Japan and South Korea do it more correctly... maybe even China if you want to count them as capitalistic, since they're not 100% communists.

>IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR!!!!!!!!

or if you want to make your country homogenous once again

Cult of personallity is always required which is why fascist countries have always had a dictator. The point about the Roman Empire was to show that what makes a nation-state strong isn't diving its' people around in and out groups, but accepting that everyone can become something and everyone can play a part in the system. Nationalism isn't required. What do you owe a piece of land and an arbitrary institution that rules it? This is precisely the stupid stuff holding back humanity. Humans always do better when they work together. It wasn't until we left caves and started working in bigger groups that we figured out agriculture. It wasn't until a bunch of farms joined up and created a collection that we figured out civilisation. Fascism is such an outdated, 20th century way of thinking because it's so against advancement. The only way is up, which is creating continental and eventually, planetary union. Telling everyone their country should come first is just not the way to go. Other humans should come first and a country should just be a secondary bit of information about yourself. All you do with nationalism is group your people into nationalists but don't actually eradicate the conflict; they just aim it at somewhere else.

Are you actually fucking retarded?

>I don't want fascism or other extreme war-mongering ideologies taking over

HAHA DUMB (((LIBTARD))) follow for more conservative content ;)

There's other ways of doing that.

the Roman Empire survived by capitalizing off of in and out groups to war against