>british underground genres Ethnically diverse, ranging from white people to black people to indians, all innovating on top of each other and taking influence from one another. References to race are close to nonexistant in the scene. Healthy balance between mainstream and undeground: underground producers producing one or two singles that score the mainstream, mainstream artists hiring underground producers to remix their tracks which often become hits in the underground. Emphasis on substance over image. Good chunk of underground artists that remain anonymous to this day. Examples include: Jungle, UK Garage, Grime.
>american underground genres Limited to one race; if an artist of a different race dares make something within one such scene he is accused of stealing or appropriating that genre and it's culture. Genres taking pride in one's racial difference. Huge leap between underground and mainstream. Emphasis on image over substance. Examples include: funk, house, hip-hop.
Why are british and american scenes so fundamentally different?
Evan Phillips
different types of black people
Camden Clark
Postcolonialism, basically.
Camden Green
explain
Eli James
In the UK >scenes might be limited to one pub/club or a few in a certain city >a lot of indie venues are just that, genuine community efforts with cheap beer and sticky floors with regular crowds >normal clubs are literally sweat boxes of equality rather than the weird things the US has with car parks and "table servivce" >lucky bands might go down the US route below, but most who "make it" will skim in and out of the "mainstream" without a lot of fanfare
In the US >any talent instantly gets commercialised and put on the KEXP/NPR/KCRW etc. merry-go-round of twee pop and rap >culture vultures like Vice and Pitchfork swoop in >Is [person of one ethnicity] the new face of [predominantly another ethnicity's] genre? >becomes more about what a wonderful time everyone is or isn't having in this "movement" and not just getting sweaty to some beats >Is [genre] dead? >maybe even get a five minute slot on Conan
Aiden James
Funk and hip hop not underground buddy, Points about UK seem accurate, but American one baloney. Underground Rap in the united states has more collaboration across racial lines (from lil Ugly Mane is in a group with Antwon back to Prince Paul producing for people like MC Paul Barman and 3rd Bass). It used to be more segregated for mainstream artists in the united states, but that has changed as well.
Gavin Jones
High concentration of immigrants and disenfranchised working class living together without the (((American Dream))), live and let live
Ethan Diaz
American blacks and European blacks act different. Attitudes towards blacks are also different. Europeans treat them like normal people and expect them to be a productive member of society and work for a living like anybody else, while Americans treat them as eternal victims and throw money and government support at them and praise ignorance and meritocracy because they're afraid of being called racist.
Wyatt Mitchell
>Ethnically diverse Stopped reading there. Race doesn't matter when it comes to musical ability and creativity. >a lot of indie venues are just that, genuine community efforts with cheap beer and sticky floors with regular crowds That's literally the same in every Western city in the world, the only difference is how access to broader audiences and avenues of promotion is done but even then plenty of UK acts can end up like below on national radio or viral marketing. t. Actual independent musician
Kevin Watson
>Race doesn't matter when it comes to musical ability and creativity Apparently it does for America.
Christopher Sanders
go to bed, Rhys
Ryder Cook
>Take over a bunch of distinct countries >Have people from said countries live together >Sit back and enjoy culture mash up
Anthony Roberts
What difference does being ethnically diverse make? This music is vicarious, the only way you can be diverse is by being separate. Oxymoron of the day "diverse multiculturalism"
Race plays no big deal in the quality of a scene.
Gavin Williams
>Race plays no big deal in the quality of a scene prejudice does though
Benjamin Edwards
american mass media is worse than british mass media
Connor Collins
56%land is a cultureless wasteland, their only good bands are things like Pere Ubu that analyze how much of a shithole it is.
Tyler Walker
Your genetic history can play a big part in what the brain likes. In the UK, your not afraid to try different kinds of styles with music because the country has a huge mix of nationalities mixing with one another. You get curious and talk to them like normal people and appreciate the diversity they have. No barriers are really put up culturally unless their assholes. Makes for some really stylized art and music.
America is all about being political with its art. Everything is a statement and cultural appropriation is rampant. How dare you like something from a genetic line that is not yours. Stay away from it you fucking racist. These people don't want your filthy hands touching their history. And don't even look at them I swear to fucking god. Can you imagine how their ancestors feel right now.
Carter Lewis
Americans stopped the hardcore continuum dead in its tracks
Josiah Murphy
t. American
Charles White
when you say 'underground' you're really only referring to electronic/dance music
Luke Richardson
fuck guitar music
Brayden Rivera
t. American pretending to be a chav
Ian Lewis
Too bad any cultural value from the UK is intrinsically taken straight from American culture.
Dominic Roberts
This. They even have "internet Americanisms" if they want to incorporate any sort of ironic, street or edge layer to it. It's absolutely bananas.
William Parker
>Too bad any cultural value from the UK is intrinsically taken straight from American culture. Such as?
