White nationalism is the most pathetic ideology out there. It has no economic bias...

White nationalism is the most pathetic ideology out there. It has no economic bias, no real bias besides pathetic identity politics, the very same politics that are practiced by others (BLM, la raza) which gave us this mess.

WTF happened to believing and supporting policies based on political and economic insights and not some delusion that there is some invisible merchant behind the curtain?

White nationalism, like any other form of identity politics is a symptom of the post-modern condition. It's a political platform that tries to read the whole world into its narrative but offers nothing, absolutely nothing, to deal with the everyday realities of governance and maintaining a society.

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Well good luck getting any sane economic policies through with a congress elected by BLM, La Raza, and feminists.

Bottom line is that all people's have the right to self-determination and no one is obligated to tolerate foreign influence because das raysis.

Pretty much this.

It worked in Australia until the Boomers sold it away because "das raysis".

>economics more important than race

Literal jew mentality.

there's nothing wrong with white nationalism in it's most basic form. white identity, anti-immigration, etc. pretty much all manifestations of it have been shit though.
>It has no economic bias
so? if you think that race/european culture is the most important thing than economics would obviously take a back seat.

personally i don't really care about race, but mass immigration is clearly shit.

intelligence still lives. glorious

Not all ideologies need an economic component. That can be thought about separately from the greater cultural identity.

Culture should come first. Economy would function perfectly fine under White Nationalism. Just because Europeans do not want to be swamped with Indians and Africans doesn't mean that they would be unable to trade with them.

Nor does it mean that we would bar highly skilled workers from coming from outside countries. Foreign workers would even be allowed in most cases as long as they were sent back and did not hinder the needs / interests of the country they operate in. But they would not be entitled to citizenship.

You don't see any proud White Nationalists in the government

There's nothing wrong with nationalism. I have no problem with other races feeling pride. I'm proud to be white. Also, wtf u gonna do about it, cuck?

>the very same politics that are practiced by others (BLM, la raza)
If all other groups are going to aggressively pursue tribal interests, and take up predatory positions toward whites, this puts whites at a significant disadvantage if they choose to remain atomized and scattered. Whether you like it or not, you are in a world of racist, tribal ethnic warfare. If you can't band together with others of your relative genetic ancestry, then your traits, your society, all the things resulting from your temperment, IQ, and creative qualities, is going to be corroded and destroyed from within by the socio-political equivalent of geurilla warfare. Wake up to this reality, or die being raped in a gutter by an economic migrant, while looking up at the sky and telling yourself
>"at least I never lost the moral high ground"

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No sane political or economic policy will be passed by white nationalists either. Everything will have an echo. They subsitute specialist knowledge and expertise to evaluate things with the ability to see if something rings jewish.

So white people who are white, can they freely associate with non-whites if they wish? This is where this sort of thinking fails. Freedom of association either exist, or it doesn't. WN doesn't doesn't allow freedoms anymore than BLM or La Raza or Feminists. They are all symptoms of a post-modern condition, where people cannot engage reality without their 'identity'.

God, even pol is too stupid to realize that post-modernist theorist was warning us about the conditions that will arise because of it. People live in semiotic bubbles.

>Being all white and poorer than romania/bulgaria.

there is always someone behind the curtain, right?

fucking deluded cuck.

>So white people who are white, can they freely associate with non-whites if they wish?

If they leave the country.

White nationalism is an American meme. It means nothing outside of it.

>They are all symptoms of a post-modern condition, where people cannot engage reality without their 'identity'.

i know im going to sound like tumblr here but if youre a white man in a white country it's very easy to think identities don't matter.

you sound like a fedora who's got everything figured out though.

easy to say from a 99% white country

I consider the “White nationalists” allies when they refuse modernity, the global oligarchy and liberal-capitalism, in other words everything that is killing all ethnic cultures and traditions. The modern political order is essentially globalist and based entirely on the primacy of individual identity in opposition to community. It is the worst order that has ever existed and it should be totally destroyed. When “White nationalists” reaffirm Tradition and the ancient culture of the European peoples, they are right. But when they attack immigrants, Muslims or the nationalists of other countries based on historical conflicts; or when they defend the United States, Atlanticism, liberalism or modernity; or when they consider the White race (the one which produced modernity in its essential features) as being the highest and other races as inferior, I disagree with them completely.

More than this, I can’t defend Whites when they are in opposition to non-Whites because, being White and Indo-European myself, I recognize the differences of other ethnic groups as being a natural thing, and do not believe in any hierarchy among peoples, because there is not and cannot be any common, universal measure by which to measure and compare the various forms of ethnic societies or their value systems. I am proud to be Russian exactly as Americans, Africans, Arabs or Chinese are proud to be what they are. It is our right and our dignity to affirm our identity, not in opposition to each other but such as it is: without resentment against others or feelings of self-pity.

I can’t defend the concept of the nation, because the idea of the “nation” is a bourgeois concept concocted as a part of modernity in order to destroy traditional societies (empires) and religions, and to replace them with artificial pseudo-communities based on the notion of individualism. All of that is wrong. The concept of the nation is now being destroyed by the same forces that created it, back during the first stage of modernity. The nations have already fulfilled their mission of destroying any organic and spiritual identity, and now the capitalists are liquidating the instrument they used to achieve this in favor of direct globalization. We need to attack capitalism as the absolute enemy which was responsible for the creation of the nation as a simulacrum of traditional society, and which was also responsible for its destruction. The reasons behind the present catastrophe lie deep in the ideological and philosophical basis of the modern world. In the beginning, modernity was White and national; in the end, it has become global. So White nationalists need to choose which camp they want to be in: that of Tradition, which includes their own Indo-European tradition, or that of modernity. Atlanticism, liberalism, and individualism are all forms of absolute evil for the Indo-European identity, since they are incompatible with it.

Confirmed Jew leaf

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If “identitarians” really love their identity, they should ally themselves with the Eurasianists, alongside the traditionalists and the enemies of capitalism belonging to any people, religion, culture or political camp. Being anti-Communist, anti-Muslim, anti-Eastern, pro-American or Atlanticist today means to belong to the other side. It means to be on the side of the current global order and its financial oligarchy. But that is illogical, because the globalists are in the process of destroying any identity except for that of the individual, and to forge an alliance with them therefore means to betray the essence of one’s cultural identity.

The problem with the Left is different. It is good when it opposes the capitalist order, but it lacks a spiritual dimension. The Left usually represents itself as an alternative path to modernization, and in doing so it also opposes organic values, traditions and religion, just as liberalism does.

I would be happy to see Left-wing identitarians who defend social justice while attacking capitalism on one hand, and who embrace spiritual Tradition and attack modernity on the other. There is only one enemy: the global, liberal capitalist order supported by North American hegemony (which is also directed against the genuine American identity).

A LEAF

>It has no economic bias, no real bias
did you mean "basis" not "bias"?

i stopped reading your post because you're obviously fucking stupid

Culture is a product of the economy. If you look at the poor european cultures, they were degenerative. Peasant farmers, superstition, no technology, no progress, no architecture. The culture we champion is the product of economic surplus. The fact you don't know makes your thinking childish.

>foreign workers will come and leave as if they are chattel labor.

yeah, no. The problem we, especially on pol, is failing to see is that the world is now global and what can be made in canada, can be made in china. The fact is, those intelligent people with Phds offer more to our culture than the welder with a GED who believes in racial purity. There is no reason why people would participate in our economy if there is no gain for them and white nationalism totally destroys the ability for those people to feel like stakeholders. They will just see white countries as stepping stones, as something to extract resources as a trade to participation (we can't force them to participate) rather than someplace they can put roots and invest and be part of the growth.

That's not freedom of association.

Memes to dismiss truths:

>jew
>fedora

Maybe you need to read a book?! There has been countless studies about the nature of these conditions and how it affects people's perception of political realities.

99.6%-99.9% depending on what you define as white.

your obsession with white nationalists naming the jew and being butthurt about it and your obsession with the economy, seeming inability to see the validity of any identity etc means you actually are probably a jew, and you're definitely a fedora.

Not circumcised bro. Good try..

lol

>Tartar
>Mongolian
>Turks
>Slavs

Since when were u guys white?


Plus also belarus is pretty poor.

>The problem we, especially on pol, is failing to see is that the world is now global and what can be made in canada, can be made in china.
There is no way you seriously believe such boilerplate neo-liberal, first-year international relations bullshit.

Bait thread, abandon thread.

>Tartar
0.1% of the population.
>Mongolian
We have none.
>Turks
We have none.
>Slavs
See, this is why I say white nationalism is retarded.

Fedora is an identtiy. Those faggots over identify with embodying that role. Jews, especially if you believe the delusions of WN, are strongly attached of their identity. So, yeah, its sad how you are trying to argue I can't see validity of identity by tying me to two groups with very strong attachment to identities.

The problem is, as you are really showing, is that white nationalists do not have the tools to see the world as anything but a collection of identities.

>They will just see white countries as stepping stones, as something to extract resources as a trade to participation

That's what happened the last 50 years without white nationalism schlomo

> those intelligent people with Phds offer more to our culture
Are you talking about GDP or culture? Confirmed schlomo....

nationalism on its own is not an ideology, it's not (the same) identity politics either.
Shit like BLM and the cuckold cancer that plagues our nations today are based around pathetic altruism and helping "others" rather then our own.
White nationalism is essentially just ethnic nationalism (not even specifically white, libtards say it's "white nationalism" when any white culture wants to be nationalist) where you help your own flock to become better, you work together better and you become isolationist against foreigners who might ruin what you have. Since it's strongly conservative it also comes with mostly conservative social views packaged with it.

Fascism is an ideology though and i believe most of the people here are capitalists, maybe some are fascist.

>Made in china
>America monopoly on innovation

It's the current year bro. Not 1999. The 20 years has past since PNTR. Things have changed.

You're taking a lot for granted by assuming all white nationalists are nothing *but* white nationalists. That descriptor includes anyone who believes white people have a right to organize and act in their own group's interest and doesn't exclude anything else.

Only children think culture doesn't cost anything.

White nationalism is a political ideology. It comes full parcel with all the facets of a political ideology.

>>proof (you):
>here you help your own flock to become better, you work together better and you become isolationist against foreigners who might ruin what you have.

That's ideological, that's a belief, that is a set of values plus a set of actions.

How can you doublespeak so well?

>is that white nationalists do not have the tools to see the world as anything but a collection of identities.

The problem is that you are selling out your one tribe by believing in egalitarianism while the Chinese, Latinos,... give a shit about muh egality and use your weakness to extract as much money as possible from the white tribes.
You are the useful idiot who drugs his own people with superficial ideals to make them easy to get raped

I didn't read your post past the first sentence OP, but I made you something.

Indeed

See, this is misleading because if it is true then why do white nationalists coalesce around the same positions? Why does the ideology answer the question so strongly as to what is causing and is at fault for the problems the group experience?

White nationalism goes beyond just believing of protecting one's identity. It has enemies like BLM has. BLM isn't about we should be proud of being black and work together to benefit each other. BLM goes to say it is 'institutionalized racism' fault for their woes. Feminists do the same thing, their movement is not about being supportive of women interest. They blame the make believe patriarchy as the source of all their problems. White nationalists as an ideology does the same shit.

I don't think you know what the word "bias" means.

>Only children think culture doesn't cost anything.

So you are going to tell me that the africans, the "native" americans,... don't have a culture because of their lack of financial power?

A FUCKING LIEV

Again, you are not seeing the world as anything but a collection of identities. Just like marxist who can only see two classes (worker, 'rich') and reduce everything to those two terms: that's all you are doing.

And also you are conflating white nationalism with just plain nationalism, which is healthier for a nation.

Nice

>greeks were gemanics
I haven't seen many people claim this. Not as many as Argentinians who claim that they're the "trve sons of Rome" and Germanics are just barbarians.

>making a point of culture with two peoples who white nationalists openly argue as not having culture.

see how child-like you are?

if you want to champion the greatness of western civilization, you can't do that and forget about the economic costs of it.

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It's an essentially defensive position so it's understandable that a certain package of ideas forms around opposing those who would attack it. I'm not saying this is always reasonable or correct but in general it makes perfect sense that people who are explicitly or de facto white nationalists would take opposing stances against those who are anti-white. It doesn't follow from there that your *only* stances can be formed on those terms, I could be a socialist or a hardline ancap without that ever crossing into wn territory.

SJWS
>patriachy causes all my failures
BLM
>white supremacy causes all my failures
WN
>jews causes all my failures

We're dying out. That's why we need it.
Economic ideologies do not address this issue.

Na its a leaf, just a stupid goy and servant of the gods chosen

>wtf you have beliefs and you discern right and wrong according to those beliefs, you are just like SJWs because they also have beliefs

jews caused feminism, jews caused mass immigration, jews own the banks, media and politics, jews caused all the wars. jews were so evil or annoying that they were expelled from countries 109 times in 1000 years

Jesus Christ called Jews the Synagogue of Satan, will you ridicule the Son of God himself? foul heathen

It goes beyond just taking opposing stances. White nationalism an ideology, it ascribes who is at fault (the mythical globalist jew). This is what's fucked up about identity movements: they aren't just about people's ethnicity/identity or their 'identity consciousness', there is a common set of mythical figures who they see as the cause of their problems. If we are really honest about it, wn belongs in the same tier of ideological movements like feminism, marxism, blm. Nobody questions why wn looks so similar to these other movements.

oh, and jews dominated the slave trade

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NEVER. PUNCH. RIGHT.

I'd gladly take a W.N. over ANY mainstream politician.

did the 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965 just pass itself? what about the Whites only immigration policy in Australia? and the immigration laws of All White countries?

they all just happened on their own with no cause?

I have beliefs but I never seek to blame a mythical being for the cause of all my woes. WN goes beyond mere living through a common condition.

marxist:
>proletariat, it's the bourgeois fault for our poverty and shieet

blm:
>nigga, its the white supremacist fault for us landing in jail and getting shot by the police

feminists:
>womyn (including non-biological females), its the patriachy fault for us being raped and shieet

white nationalists:
> white people (slavs included), its the globalist jew fault for all your problems

America is made of multiple nationalities, they can't be nationalist because they don't have the same ancestors.

>White nationalism an ideology, it ascribes who is at fault (the mythical globalist jew).
Jews are opposed to western civilization, this is not a myth. They hate, and seek to destroy, whites, Christians, and white Christians in particular.

America is nationalist. Nationalism is not tied to ethnicity. It is tied to one's feelings about their nation.

We're just going in circles

>wn is an all encompassing ideology consisting of people who only care about identity politics
>"no, it's one specific conservative position that allows for any other ideology at the same time"
>but wn opposes x and y just like feminists/BLM etc
>"ok yes that often goes along with it for these reasons but it doesn't follow that all wn people are nothing but wn"
>but it's just about ascribing blame to x and y...

we could do this forever

>its the globalist jew fault for all your problems
Not all - but a lot of them.

(((you)))

So, Tell me leafy, what are you, a global imperialist? It's understandable of course, Canada has always been imperial property of some sort or another, you've not seen too many hardships of it and have done well being the favored pet of a distant crown. However, you somehow think globalism will do well by you the same way?

You speak of foreign PhDs providing more benefit than many native born and consider crushing those natives if they offend the foreigners. But, benefit to whom? Is it not those natives who should be the beneficiaries of the nation? What allegiance does a nation owe foreigners over her own blood?


I'm honestly trying to gather your stance here, what you're after? What is the ideal world you're looking for any why do you think stripping away all identities will realize that ideal?

Stop posting faggot leaf, you clearly don't know a fucking thing about America.

We are not nationalist, the only nationalists/patriotic people in the country are white people, niggers hate everyone, Hispanics want it to be Mexico, Asians just do whatever Asians do etc.

Only problem is that white people are patriotic for a country that doesn't exist anymore, we're just some fucking toilet full of shitty cultures all swimming around.

0.05 dollars have been deposited into your account

funny how you can't answer any of my questions huh?

do you really believe Jews are "mythical"?

We aren't going in cricles. You won't acknowledge how the WN ideology ascribes certain mythical boogie men, just like BLM, just like feminists do, behind things. You won't be honest enough to speak truthfully that just because there are a group of people who can come together and identify as identity-x, these people can do so while not subscribing to an ideology. White nationalism goes beyond just people identifying as white.

WN has within its political ideology that is also shared by its subscribers, who is at fault. Look at the posts on pol: it's the jewish globalist conspiracy. They can never honestly say to themselves that maybe, perhaps maybe, the cause for this is more complex.

White nationalism as an ideology is even fundamental different from how libertarians use their ideology. Libertarians do not attempt to point to mythical figures as the cause of what they see wrong or a hinderance of what they value. There is in libertarianism a rationality and disagreement of how to build a society espoused by libertarian ideals. WN believers cannot separate the goals they seek from the boogie men they believe in. This is why they are more like sjws, marxists, blm, feminists than conservatives, classical liberalism or libertarianism.

You are just like a BLM activist, or a feminist,. You take the fact that merely identifying as something (as black, as a woman) that you have to subscribe wholesale into the ideology. You see, I can identify as white and of european heritage but not believe with the rest of the bullshit. This is the posion of identity politics: feminists assume they speak for all women, "if you are a woman, then you have to agree that it is patriachy's fault".

I answered your question. and I believe the ideology you white nationalists puts them into a queer mythical place in your mind, just like what marxism does with the 'richer people', or feminists do with men.

You can pretend you guys do not share a common boogie men that is immune to rational thinking and evidence, but that fakery doesn't last long. Your delusions do eventually come out as clear as day and night.

Again, this is a symptom of aesthetics in the post-modern condition.

What you are describing is civic nationalism, true nationalism is about ethnictyblood) not about a citizenship(state or land).

I think anyone who is not retarded can see what you did and did not answer

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oy vey chaim, step it up

That doesn't make sense. You are revising what a term has meant for eons. Nationalism is the attachment of legitimacy to the sovereign nation. For a fucking european, you should know that.

Come on now. White nationalism is just about as nationalistic as the jews are who view their individual colonies in existing nations as part of some sort of larger mythical/imaginary 'whole'.

The fact that you're conflating edgy Sup Forumsacks playing at being nazis with *anyone* who considers themselves pro-white while simultaneously complaining about boogiemen makes me want to lie down in the dark for a minute to process all the irony.

race is real though so it's justified.

Didn't notice it was you. I thought you were the individual who insisted white nationalists didn't have to agree that the jews weren't behind shit and can be proud of being white while also believing in other ideologies (making white nationalist less an ideology and more about identity and pride).

Yep, you answered me: you cannot separate WN ideology as it exist today without the muh joo, no more feminists can ever be just about women interests and not the patriarchy.

Hey there Sarcuck

Being a woman is real, but is the belief in patriarchy justified?

Being black is real, but is the belief that the institutions are keeping you down justified?

Being a poor working individual is real, but believing that you being poor working class means marxism and all its implications is correct?

White nationalism is more of an umbrella term that includes everyone who believe the white race must and can continue to exist. Mostly everything else is up for debate. Why did you get so triggered?

>race is real though so it's justified.

The human race?

>post-modern condition

You know that's the result of globalism's dehumanization and devaluation of the individual yes? Identity is of course, unimportant if you lack companionship or society, however, humans are social creatures and crave both. Thus identity, ranking, and value signaling within that group is important on a fundamentally human level (man's psychology in the isolate can be disregarded from our consideration.)

Modern identity politics are actually an attempted artificial substitute for ethnic tribalism, which has been humanity's basic social organization founded on the family unity for all of known history. This organization method established a level of value for all in-group members and encouraged mutualistic behavior for their benefit.

White Nationalist movements tend to focus on Jews because they're an identifiable, successful competing tribe with a veritably long history. BLM logically focus on Whites (note, jews arn't distinguishable from whites in their eyes) because whites are their main competitors (in the US.)

Feminists, have little root in historical tribalism, thus the most artificial of the groups you've brought up. Perhaps rooted in mystery cults, covens or secret societies (which did historically exist as exclusively-female groups.)
Hold up, you arn't perhaps a Ryandian or Anarchist instead are you? I mean, that makes a level of sense with some of your past comments. A distinct lack of loyalty or respect for familile bonds and a markedly materialistic value set?

Nationalism come from the latin "NATIO" which mean kin,-parents, nationalism itself is the ideology who defend the Kin-People, what you believe to be nationalism is merely a form invented by the american and french revolutionaries who placed citizenship before kinship.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_nationalism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism#Varieties

still didn't answer any of my points

aren't you skilled in pilpul?

next you'll be telling me that thte rumour that jews bite off the end of the cocks, OF THEIR OWN CHILDREN, then greedily slurp the delicious infant blood, in some dark satanic twisted evil ritual, are false

Dude, you answered my question: can white nationalism just be pro-white (as you claim) without going to joo territory. The answer, as you feverishly demonstrated, is an absolute no in your case.

Ever heard of words changing meaning through time because of usage?

>Nationalism is extreme devotion to one's nation and/or ethnic group in the form of patriotism. This can be expressed as a belief or political ideology that involves an individual identifying with or becoming attached to one's nation. Nationalism involves national identity, by contrast with the related concept of patriotism, which involves the social conditioning and personal behaviors that support a state's decisions and actions.[1]

>pomo part

You see, identity can exist without an ideology attempting to monopolize its existence. Again, to subscribe to the WN world view (or feminst, or BLM, marxists), is deny the possibility of being pro-white and white-identifying and NOT a subscriber to the ideology. This is the symptom of pomo aesthetics.


>>Hold up, you arn't perhaps a Ryandian or Anarchist instead are you? I mean, that makes a level of sense with some of your past comments. A distinct lack of loyalty or respect for familile bonds and a markedly materialistic value set?

You see, this is the work of ideology rather than reality. What type of familial relationships do you have? Even our prehistoric human tribes were focused on collective interests, which is comes about by considering the interests of everyone in the group. This is the trick in these ideologies: it goes from acceptable positions (identifying with your identity, wanting the best for your family and kind) to the ideological where these wants and commitments become something else at the expense of having any other position.

This is why WN (BLM, feminists, sjws, marxists) are unique in how they transform identity as politics.

you answered none of my questions

your position is weak

your pilpul is pitiful, you are a disgrace to your god satan

>WN cuck sees the joos everywhere, especially amongst those who disagrees.
>pilpul

I am not jewish. See the problem with your white nationalist lens?

yet you answered none of my questions

why is that?

all true, dear leaf

they want to kill black people. that would solve alot of problems...

It actually does work, when whites were a majority in their own nations they flourished, it's only after the massive amounts of non european migrants that call it "pathetic" because they don't want to go back to their shitty home countries the left cause they couldn't be arsed to put in the effort to make them up to par.

Everybody knows that white nationalism does work.. that's why the left only has attempts to belittle aswell as "muh racism" to say about it. Meanwhile whites are the least racist of the ethnicities in the world.. which ofcourse won't be admitted by people like yourself. White nationalism is simply leave us alone, and go back to your own nations and improve them..

Because your questions answer themselves. You seriously see the jew behind everything. It's delusional.

MUH WHITE RACE

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.

I do?

do you make the same claim about this onerable ebrew fellah?

don't be anti-semitic, just hit me with your best shot

Nothing about how the economies of western countries are sort of in the shitter because of economic issues matters, right?

Again, you are are sort of proving me right: WN has no economic answers/policies to our existing problems. The WN answer is 'whites stay, rest leave' and somehow, through the same brand of marxist magical thinking, believe the economy will be good after the revolution.

fucking pathetic.

White nationalism crumbles when you shine a light and ask scrutinizing questions

>"so you're saying ethnic people have a right to self determination, right?"
Yes! White people deserve a homeland of their own! But this isn't a racist ideology because all people should have a homeland!

>"should Mexicans have the right of self determination in California?"
Uhh no! America is a white country!!!

>"but native people were here first, should they have their self determination in their lands?"
Uuhh uhhh nnno!! We conquered this land its ours now the strong always wins!"

>"but Mexicans are conquering the west through immigration, by your logic they should have a right to those lands and self determination... "
SHILL SHILL WE'LL JUST GENOCIDE THEM AHAHHAHAHA

Literally fringe identity politics

Nothing wrong with desiring to remain majority ethnicity in your own nations.. just as everyone else is except migrants. Who frankly should mind their own business or go back to where they came from..