We are on a tough road, should man be made free yet run risk to degeneracy or should his mind be enslaved by an anti-degenerate ideology?
When your enemies: JIDF, Marxist, Progressives, and others have subverted liberty and enslaved the mind of many should we do away with liberty herself and indoctrinate in the name of opposing the true evil?
Is it reliable to depend on "red pilling" the masses or should we adopt the "indigo" pill model of control but with opposite ideologies?
If man is an animal,
you can forbid bad behaviour and hope what he exercises is in secrecy and will not impact the tribe,
or you can let him do whatever and hope it all turns out for the best - which it won't. Slippery slope.
It is the end of times. Overpopulation is real. A rarity of us deserve to live.
Left wing authoritarianism ftw.
Or maybe....there is no freedom we are all slaves but with different masters.
You can bow to God, Nationalism, Degeneracy, whatever it may be. But liberty is a falsehood, it only gives you the right to choose a master.
Freedom is good only when it leads to virtue.
I'm a Right-Wing Authoritarian, but don't be confused with "Right-Wing". A true authoritarian does not support free market because it subverts his authority.
Let me give you an example before I respond to your point.
>Christianity tells me that God gave man free will to freely choose to obey him. God does not lose anything if mankind rejects him, hence God giving man freedom does no harm to him due to His omnipotence, He created us for our own benefit of knowing him.
The problem is with mankind, if we give other humans freedom, the effects of this will ripple across the rest of society and will bring forth destruction to us. God can give freedom all he wants but as humans we must restrict ourselves for the benefit of all.
If Freedom leads to virtue then let those who freely choose virtue to be the controllers of society, those who do not choose virtue must be subjugated.
It's really philosophical on many aspects.
I found I can't quite dive into just one way of thinking about the situation.
If I am bound by death (fact) and that is the end, then at best I can compile and translate great works of philosophy and art and keep them in a while secluded area to further be discovered and translated, hopefully to come across some new ground in the fields as I walk them.
If there is more afterwards, If I meet a God or Gods.. I'll ask simply if I did well by him, if my positive deeds out weighed negative ones and ones that pursued my base survival.
I would ask if I could try again if they didn't. If hell is more than a meme, and my equation turned out negative, then I will walk into the flame with my head low, knowing I could have done better by God(s) eye(s).
If it is bhuddist in nature (in a sense it is in fact) and I transcend to come back lesser or greater in physical reality. As my atoms will continue to spin and form in another manner. Then it is cyclical in such a vastness that no one entity besides an omnipotent one would ever truly understand, rising the question again, if there is a god.
So to In a more true sense of seeing it... since death itself is a fact and, it's not your pick of what to pray to, but rather your pick of poison.
I don't mean to come across nihilistic, I pursue to be far from it.
I've been saying this in multiple threads:
we need to do away with internet anonymity, it's only holding the right back and letting the left subvert it. Sup Forums is the perfect example.
We need to leave this disgusitng pool of filth behind and make more restrictive, distinctively NON free intenret or real life communities.
Internet anonymity and the principles of Sup Forums go against every thing the Right could ever stand for.
A true authoritarian would abhor the very idea of an anonymous site like this one and want all such methods of unrestricted, shame-free communication to be removed from society.
tl;dr ban the internet.
I suggest you read into mysticism it will do you well.
My question mostly deals with how to structure a society, since this question is about managing a civilization you have to assume that it matters in the first place.
People like you should be supporting Hillary, the EU and absolutely any and all groups who want to lock down the internet, even if their reasons are opposite ours.
The Internet is the greatest threat to morale and socialization of society in the entire modern world, and only China is doing anything about it. There's no net positive value of all this "Free" information, me and you don't even deserve it.
People who care for finding the truth would have found it without the Internet. What people come here for is addictive bits of info-porn, real porn, and entertainment.
Kill it all. Shut it all down by any means and THEN you'll see people actually doing things instead of rotting away seperated from reality.
I'm only anonymous because Sup Forums hates "Tripfags"
There are forums (not reddit) where Authoritarians reside.
Ironmarch for Fascist (I got banned there since the site is known for such strictness that a ban is inevitable)
Lumine Boreali for Traditionalist (I'm in here)(Warning: members are more esoteric spiritualist than political theorist).
Instead of banning the internet, we should advocate a National Intranet
The irony is that you're talking about this as if you are in charge of structuring society. The reality is that anyone here on Sup Forums deserves nothing more than to be an illiterate peasant living a simple life and never even needing to consider the kinds of questions people here are discussing.
Mass literacy, free internet, all of it was a mistake and only made us more miserable and deluded.
only moral men are free
what is 'freedom' today is the license to be a slave to your desires and permission to pay corporations for ways to 'express yourself'
the word has been turned in to a joke
Sounds about right.
You still need freedom as a presupposition though, you can't just force people to be virtuous.
But God also gave us morality and knowledge (at varying degrees).
Honestly, I want memory erasure and overt mind control technology to be invented as soon as possible.
It's the only way forward, the only way to actually make all levels of society happy and also productive/moral. I don't deserve to even be thinking about this shit, I should have it all sucked out of my brain so I can be a simple laborer at the bottom of the hierarchy. Same with most of the scum here on Sup Forums
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I don't even mean something like a literal hivemind, just something as simple as being lobotomized to the point of being a simple farmer with some land and a family to take care of.
I do sometimes wonder if we'll see a return to ancient tradition of various sorts in virtual reality when people realize that the modern world can't be fixed physically
I've always been sympathetic to cults. They get a bad reputation but they are fundamentally no different than many social groups. Cults, social clubs, fraternities, political parties all contain some form of group conformity.
Sup Forums should not decry the normie instead Sup Forums should desire to become the "new normies" to be the one in power over the mind of the majority.
... but we can't. Most people here have not the influence or social skills to ever do something like this outside of the internet. We're already ruled by the current ruling cult
Liberty is the freedom of the individual. You are conflating liberty and freedom with democracy (you can thank the propagandist Edward Bernays for that)
All those groups you mentioned are a problem with unrestrained democracy. in the US your constitution was meant to shut them down but your current government basically spits on that document, the problem being that the supreme court instead of defending it, legitimises assaults on it, this was the same problem suffered by "divine right".
Most of them are inspired by people like Saul Alinskey and are attemptimg to use psyops to sway public oppinion to vote away the fabric of society. The problem is not that they have the liberty to do this the problem is that a majority (which is what they are aiming for in a couple decades time with importation of totalitarian cultures like islam and centralised schooling) can oppress a minority of its inherent rights to begin with.
There is always a chance and I tell you, doing nothing will not help. Let's be good authoritarians and scheme. We must scheme for our futures, start small then go big.
Ex. of small plan:
>Join Leftist Group
>Be purposefully Incompetent
>Ruin their groups management
>Do as much damage before being kicked out.
Most leftists groups are as incompetent as possible already.
My vision of society is one ruled by a tiny elite of self-interested fanatics. They are a cabal bound together by conformity to their selected culture and customs. They have the important job of beating degeneracy back with any tactic available to them.
This tiny elite must be PUBLICLY known as people in charge, democracy just allows a rival elite to start a silent coup with no one knowing.
I should make Future Threads related to this topic with Joseph de Maistre as the front picture and shall be known as "Indigo Pill General"
That may be true but if enough people get on the same page and all act in accordance with their ideas and will you would be surprised. This is why ideas such as naziism or Marxism still exist.
Best case scenario it lasts 200 years before its a cesspit (centralised power in hands of a few is always a cesspit) . More then likely it will last 3 generations when your grand kids figure that absolute power is fun to abuse and they inspire a repeat of the french revolution against them.
Mysticism is... one hell of a broad topic, but should I live my life well, I have a great many years ahead of me to study a great many of topics and their broadness.
I know of the term, Jack of all trades, master of none...
But i'v been trying to get to the source of all trades, and if i could just be an apprentice of that I will have ended myself happy.
Something that when finally put into format, that any intelligent life form coming across it with visual cognitivity, would start to piece it together.
I love glyphics and the study of them.
but to get to your question...
Who's to say heart cells manage skin cells, manage brain cells, manage gut fungi content, manage (on and on). It might be centralist thinking that damns us to begin with. The brain is one hell of a tool, but it is not the be-all-end-all of our form. Nor should politics or management of peoples and their freedoms (or responsibilities) be considered the be-all-end-all of the larger organism (society/civilization).
You would find that the more bureaucratic a civilization has got, the more it fell apart at the seems and many have eventually collapsed.
Think gripping a handful of water.
I believe there is some method for society to act like a cup.. but the problem with that is, will it over-flow? will it leak from the bottom? will it become stagnant?
On an individual level, I agree with We must adore the freedom inherent in us, but above that we must discipline ourselves with limit.
Could it be high expectation that it would transverse across the entire society? I guess it would.
Abuse of power is natural to humans, if you think about it. Conquest is the natural state of humanity. Whoever you are be it a poor nigger or a rich banker you are abusing something one way or another. Democracy is just a giant sign that says "Hey future Elites here is some open territory for you".
The thesis of my ideals is this one sentence: Power will always be centralized to an elite, I just want a society where the elite are chosen based on virtue.
This is exactly how it is except for being publicly and openly known. You suggest replacing the current system with the current system. If the end goal is for the greater good and spreading natural law teaching to the masses so they understand it could be the best thing ever. Ba'al should not be a factor in this
I guess for me it is just a matter of personal taste, but hey since man is insatiable for power I might as well express my own desires.
I just don't see how the modern leftist regimes of today being a good to society and in need to be replaced by a non-degenerate authoritarian
Search up "Perennial Philosophy" it might suit you well.
I must make my leave, goodnight to all. I will be back soon....
I'm quite entertained by your ideas eather way. Ideally I think everyone should be sovereign and understand but I do realize the vast majority are completely clueless. It's almost too much to ask for a huge change from the status quo. At least basing the selection of the controllers based on virtue would be a step towards the right direction
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You are talking about removing the fruit of knowledge from man and making him less then an animal. It is mans propensity for consideration of past and future and introspection that gives him the ability to plan ahead and have goals, motives and ideologies not related to their immediate survival in the present. It is also what cause both anxiety (uncertainty of the future) and deppression (guilt and lack of acceptance for self and past decisions).
Removing free will so that people are "happy" is to destroy the very thing that makes people human. The choice you are offering is to go back into a safe womb where no one can disagree with each other and everything is dandy at the price of existence and history stoping becimeing stagnant and meaningless or a dangerous world where people can disagreee and even kill each other for their differances but their individual lives and experiences will be their own and have meaning to each individual person.
As for my choice? As jefferson said... "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem"
this is the gayest fucking thread on Sup Forums right now. just take voting rights away from women and the problem is solved
>this is the gayest fucking thread on Sup Forums right now.
There's the trap thread.
Plato thought along similar lines after seeing his teacher forced to drink hemlock by the democracy of Athens.
The criteria of what is virtuous can be corrupted just like a democracy through memetic warfare. You can see it right now with the devaluing of the word rape and other semantic games by the left. You could crack down on this sure but the evolution of language is a naturally-occurring thing and it usually comes from the low to middle class of society, our situation is differant in that our culture is being deliberately subverted from the upper middle section in university's and media
I suppose if I were to have full authority in a governmental situation, I would instill an inalienable constitution that has a system that regularly destroys corruption and teaches not only the values of liberty but fights the issues of exercising your liberty wrongly.
The issue with today is that the youth is being taught to fight against liberty, for it gives their red herring the rights that were guaranteed two hundred and forty years ago in my nation. If the education was reformed to not only teach the generation today of the liberty and enlightenment that our forefathers fought for but to promote it seems like a basic idea that could be well implemented. The degradation of the value of the liberty that was fought with blood and iron is what seems to be killing the idea of a magnanimously liberal society, and instead has replaced it with a heavily authoritarian commune based on the idea that feelings trump rights. Whether federalist or anti-federalist, they always fought for the rights that were theorized in social contract. The government is a public servant, but the citizens are the public servant and the government, whom consist of the people must fight for the simple people.
How lucky would my ancestors be to live in this glorious first world nation that was built on inviolable rights promising them a future of happiness and the right to be free. Mine had to live in servitude under a Scottish physician, only for many to die of malaria in the swamps of Florida.