I'm not worried about Poland anymore. This is game over

I'm not worried about Poland anymore. This is game over.

Well the Russian plants won in Poland and are taking over.They destabilized Britain and pushed them into Brexit. They failed here and in France.They are wiggling in America too.

>declares Jesus as King Of Poland
>total ban on all abortions
>clampdown on NGOs
>freedom of assembly limited
>critics of CIA detention centers arrested for corruption charges
>more and more democratic bodies being gutted or ablished

What is happening in Poland?

wtf i LOVE poland now

The same thing that happened in Russia, Turkey and Hungary. Polish government is just doing it faster.

Same thing that is happening in countries that couldn't counter Russia's touch.

Look at Turkey.Same thing happened there.
Look at Donald.He is trying to do the same but is failing spectacularly.

Yeah, Hungary too.

Thank god that Russia's plants failed here.

They are trying to fuck with our neighbors too.

Hopefully Macedonia and Serbia will be able to counter Russia's attempts to fuck the region over.

can't fuck up a country that is already fucked up to the max

maybe their media has become like asses and such "being nationalistic is cool and right" populism has been diffused. otherwise such things wouldnt happen in a row

I am old enough to remember Russia's regime.
This is not the max.

Russia is cancer.

Being nationalistic is right

>UK leaving EU
>Poland becoming fascist shithole

Oh boy, I can already smell the Polacks coming this way. I'd quite frankly prefer refugees and Africans.

t.putinbot9000
Suck Putin's cock more you imbecile.

>wanting to put your country before others makes you a Putin puppet
Wew

be careful what you wish for

how. practically these are reactionism. its an old concept like coming back into shit religious beliefs/laws

>by putting your country before others you hand it over to the dogs
Yeah, great thinking there.But i'd expect that from a Putinbot. Ready to hand over your country for a false sense of control.

>t. Igor

what does it mean

It means that you might go the way of Turkey and your prisons will be full of your teachers and reporters + anyone who decides to speak against your government.

In short you are fucked.

Stop with this sensationalism

t.putinbot suck off putin's cock

Stop trying to downplay everything that doesn't go the way of your Russian masters.

we have a big shitload of them, you're free to take them as much as you want

How embarassing

I bet you know everything about things that are 'embarassing', you being putin's whore and all.

Why are Eastern Europeans so entertainingly retarded?

The wrong twin died.

There's nothing wrong with the legislature electing the judiciary, the judiciary is supposed to be answerable to the legislature.

Judges here are appointed by the Executive, and there's no hint of party-bias from them when they are interpreting cases set before them.

>everything bad that happens to my country is Russia's fault!
>t. The Butthurt Belt

>all these globalist retards thinking nationalism is bad
>Surely it is great to identify as European! Wtf do you mean Poland is being nationalist they are NOT europeans!

>gargling up on Putin's rotting cock
t.putinbot9000
Yeah, let's have all propaganda posters from Sup Forums gather up here.

t. euroshill kike

It means that you're going against the democratic idea of seperation between the legislative, executive and judicial branches of government.

>“Courts in our opinion are the stronghold of post-communists in Poland,” Jarosław Kaczyński, chairman of PiS and Poland’s de facto leader, said in a recent interview with Polish online news portal Onet.

>“The Supreme Court is … protecting people who had served the old regime,” he said, adding that the judicial system is “controlled by lefties and … subordinated to foreign forces.


>NO
>THEY EXPECT ONE OF US IN THE WRECKAGE BROTHER
>Have we started the fire?
>YESH, THE FIRE RISES

t.putingbot whore

Just because you got btfo by the soviet union doesn't mean we will

Love the conspiracy theories, someone Got some proof?

This thread isn't about nationalism/europeism. It's about how one party is taking over Poland.

t.putinbots and logic
>Brexit happened
You already got fucked by them.Who do you think was funding the Brexit campaign?Who do you think is winning the most from it?

It is Russia.

Democracy is trash anyways

Honestly I think your mum is benifitting from it more than anyone

No it isn't, it's a Euroshill whinge fest. They're making judges answerable to the Supreme Court and the judiciary at large, which is how it's done in every reasonable country.

If people here was outraged about centralisation of power and cronyism, they'd look at the European Courts, which aren't answerable to the European populace and which have already made erroneous declarations (like when they refused to allow the Council to cut their salary - deeming the 2008 recessionary crisis to be a "insufficient" crisis to warrant the reduction in salaries).

He's right. Lookinga after your own interests is a good idea and something many NW-European countries have somewhat forgotten about.

is this nationalism

i mean nationalism only works when its populism and maybe many poles have hyped for it and being nationalistic

but what those in powers carry out doesnt really go for your nationalism and if people dont even recognize it anymore it only goes full retard.

It's honestly a bit scary to watch.
There will be no checks and balances, having no independent judicary is a terrible idea desu.

A thread like that on Sup Forums would be filled with alt-right tards praising whatever Polish government does as "based" and calling anyone with different opinion "cucks".

>muh Sup Forums is Sup Forums lite

>Russians are behind everything
>we must support the clusterfuck that is th EU because Russians

Sorry, EUshill, nobody is falling for that one

I don't mind one party ruling absolutely if they have the majority. But when politicians starts ruling the judges then there is no protection at all left for normal citizens.

>being a nationalist means you're a putinbot
lmao what the fuck is wrong with the Tatar ITT?

The rules they are bringing in are already in place here in Ireland, yet we don't seem to be at danger of turning into an ultra-authoritarian state.

The Minister for Communications here has the right to censor the media as he sees fit, and our ENTIRE judiciary is appointed by the Government and confirmed by the Oireachtas.

Situation in Poland is a bit different because PiS can't rely on broad popular support unlike for instance Hungary's Orbán. Polish society is split down the middle.

That's why they have to keep pushing and can't leave any breathing room for the opposition. Kaczynski can't afford to lose the momentum.

You must support EU because you live on their payroll, pal.

>the Russian plants won in Poland
???
PiS is probably the most anti-Russian party in the EU

Eastern Europe is a special place.

If you think it's a good idea to have the only people able to bring corruption charges (Or other charges) against your political elite influneced and controlled by that same political elite then I can't help you.

So it's better to have the judiciary composed of (((old guard))) of the previous system?
Nigger get a grip

>Thank god that Russia's plants failed here
I thought your new president was pro-Russia
Also, why do you see a Russian conspiracy behind literally everything? It's time to get rid of that tinfoil hat senpai

I don't think you understand the role of the judiciary. The judges don't take cases against anyone, they preside over the cases being brought.

If you want to take a case against the Govt. you need to launch it as an individual (we have Government committees which are quite evenly split between parties), and the judges preside over it.

And even that does not stop corruption from happening.

Did you forget your police covering up the rape and sexual assault of teens at music festivals for almost a year?

How many of those officers do you think were charged?

most of far right nationalist parties in Europe are supported by Kremlin

Ah yes - the idea that all branches of government should be one and the same really is a good one.
I really am the one who should get a grip lmao.

This desu

Russian government is only exploiting a weakness that's been there already. They didn't create it.l

So are most left-wing socialist parties. What's your point?

Yes and no.
They are very patriotic and nationalistic, and most of them probably out of conviction, although some of them do have history of collaborating with communist regime and other individuals have connection to russian mafia. Whether they are tolerated out of convenience or regarded as converts is unknown to me.

On the other hand they are xenophobic, undiplomatic and proud and seem to regard EU only as a tool for their domestic rhetoric.

Russians know they have no chance to get an actually pro-russian force into power in Poland, so they settle for one that will be least cooperative towards EU.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

>being chinks is nationalistic
kek at this Sup Forums logic or its not even logic anymore

really makes you chink

Hell, even pro-European social democrats like Corbyn are accused of being Russian spies. This whole Russia hysteria is utter nonsense.

>their media

Almost 90% of all media in poland belong to germany

Actually they can. Look at the US for example. The American judicary is literally looking into charges of corruption against the president of the united states.

The FBI can look into the comings and goings of the president against his will - which is how it should work.

There are people within the judiciary, at least here and in the US who can open cases against for example politicians independent of the will of that politician.

In a country, like Russia, where the courts are just marionettes to the executive branch it's impossible for the judiciary to do something like that.

>did you forget rant
They didn't cover it up, at least not in a legal sense. There is no requirement in Sweden that the police go out and say ''most of the people who did this, all look like arabs''.

The reason we found out was because policemen told alternative media on their own time, which isn't even illegal or anything.

While it's true that you have problems with "old guard" judges and individual corruption cases among them. Perhaps a whole lot of them.
However undermining trust in independent judiciary and leveraging this for political gain is like cutting branch you're sitting on.

I could understand if you at least made an attempt to make it seem like the reform was going to lead to an independent judiciary just pruned of corrupt individuals, but not completely collaring them by political ministry of justice.

>You must support EU because you live on their payroll, pal.

Only in delusional Russian minds

Actually I do. Sadly you're so blinded by nationalism that you can't even see the very structures that turned our countries into countries to be proud of in the first place.

Where citizens have rights that no polician can't infringe upon just as his or her whim.

When you don't have seperation there is nothing stopping you from ending up like Russia, where putin can put his political opponents in prison for no real reason what so ever.

Socialists aren't ideologically in line with Kremlin. Not at all. Yes it's true that parties like SPD historically were for cooperation with Moscow, but it's not that kind of relation as with the far right nationalist parties. Politicians like Le Pen are literally funded by Russia and do everything they're told to.
Yeah utter nonsense, wait for another country to be invaded by Russia and innocent people die.

Just don't waste time. People like him don't care at all about seperation of powers or other democratic ideals.

They just yearn "based" government which would btfo leftists.

>itt

Don't worry, in free Poland pissings will be hanged for what they are doing right now with this country.

I don't mind blowing leftists out of the water, but throwing away the very institutions that seperates a democracy from a dictatorship or an absolute monarchy is fucking retarded.

>When you don't have seperation there is nothing stopping you from ending up like Russia
Russia is a "based" defender of Christianity and "true" European values. They are deliberately going in Russian footsteps.

Poland is becoming fascist or communist again?

Spies?
Not necessarily.

Stooges and allies of convenience?
Sure, why not?

also
>Corbyn
>Pro-European
are you sure

But this is exactly how you do btfo leftists.

Also btw, there is no single leftist party in the Polish parliament right now.

>looking into
Yes, brought by someone else. The Courts themselves didn't launch the cases. In order to launch a case you need to have legal standing (I can't remember the latin, it's something like locus standi).

>in Russia
Why are you presuming Poland is going to turn out like Russia? We've had the system Poland wants since 1949 and we've yet to become a Russia Lite™

one party states > democracy

not now polska,

i want to sleep...

>but throwing away the very institutions that seperates a democracy from a dictatorship or an absolute monarchy is fucking retarded.
fucking COMMUNISTS separate democracy from a dictatorship you fuckwit?

They're LITERALLY old guard of the previous fucking system that weren't killed of or lustrated because they had (((connections))). ALL OF THEM

No, that sucks balls. When there is no natural threat to a ruling party's power they get lazy and corrupt really fast.

>Brought by someone else
Actually if they get information that indicates in any way that there is corruption they open up the cases on their own.

If you had a portfolio with definate proof of Trumps or Obamas corruption, you could send it all user-like to the FBI and they would open a case against him and bring him to justice.

>Russia lite
Alright, so you're telling me that your president could put anyone he wants in prison on made up charges like Putin can? Without legal repercussions? If not, then you have some sort of system in place to fight against that sort of thing.

Russia doesn't have that system, or it's not working at all, because they're total shills of the executive branch.

>They're LITERALLY old guard of the previous fucking system that weren't killed of or lustrated because they had (((connections))). ALL OF THEM
Source on these claims?

You've been brainwashed by PiS propaganda. Believe any word they say kek.

Please, enlight me.

Poland is becoming fascist or communist?

Look up what stance European United Left-Nordic Green Left takes in foreign affairs. They have always tried to block anti-Russian sanctions and were opposed to Nato in general. I am talking about parties like Die Linke, Syriza or Sinn Fein.

Yes, to the FBI. Not to the Courts. The Judges don't launch the investigations.

>Russia lite
I think you misinterpreted my post. I've said we have the same powers that POLAND wants, and we haven't turned into Russia Lite so presuming that Poland will is a fallacy.

Yeah they wuz good judges n sheeeeit doing their work honestly for the last 40 years dasrite goin to church every sunday

So now you are taking away the very protection that citizens have against the ruling party.
That sounds very much like what a communist would want to me.

And I refuse to believe they're all communists, because every socialist of influence in Russia became a rich capitalistic oligarch after the CCCP fell.

National Bolshevism is probably the most accurate description

>And I refuse to believe they're all communists, because every socialist of influence in Russia became a rich capitalistic oligarch after the CCCP fell.
All it tells me is that there's something wrong with you, nothing else bub.

But if it helps you with your autistic reasoning, they're all wealthy people.
There are no "rich capitalistic oligarchs" because there's nothing to made "oligarch" money in here.

I see nothing wrong with this

Well even assuming that 100% people who were in judiciary are evil corrupt baby-eating communist monsters, replacing them based on ideology or personal connections to the present day management will hardly be an improvement, especially if in doing so you convince majority of populace that courts are wrong and untrustworthy.

hmm

So your argument is basically to remove all seatbelts from all cars because just because you don't have a seatbelt doesn't mean you will crash.

Sure, it might be perfectly fine to give the executive branch power to totally control the courts through appointments and the power to get rid of judges that doesn't agree with your political agenda.

Yes, and do you think that if someone brought something like that to a Polish court in the future that court would do anything about it, when it's totally controlled by the party that appointed all the judges (and the party that can get rid of them as well)?

I really can't see how you could possibly think that's a good idea.

Source on your claims.

>Belgium
>Greece
>Ireland
>Luxembourg
>Malta
>Portugal
>Spain
WTF germans told me we're the only leeches here1