What does rock music need to get back to being a popular genre?

What does rock music need to get back to being a popular genre?

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current teenagers need to grow up, have kids, and become parents.
their children will see current popular genres as uncool, and that way there's a chance future young people will start appreciating rock again.

Get its balls back and make songs you can party to

Cut all ties with the indie community. It's the only way.

>Post-Rock itself isn't that enticing. Unless multiple instruments are used to enhance the pseudo-elegance of a work, any band can easily attempt a "Post-Rock" atmosphere to invoke authenticity in their otherwise mediocre personalities. Heck, I'd argue that rock music in and of itself has lost its luster. To be honest, there's only so many ways to play some heavy, distorted lick and protrude to the world your inner "anger" using as much cryptic clichés as possible before it just gets all muddled and repetitive. That's the whole problem; rock in general has now exhausted its course. Screamo bands aren't an exception. They only fall in its stereotypes instead of relinquishing them, like a druid corrupting a soul only to be vanquished by the razor of centaurs.

>Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance at least made emo/post-hardcore more interesting, by combining it with pop and Alt. Rock, sustaining Rock's longevity in the 2000s. Could the same be said for City of Crass Pariahs or Stay-Away-etia? No.
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yeah, indie is fucking garbage and hasn't changed in 15 years.

FORGET IT, IT'S OVER

there's classic rock on the radio. it's done being popular as new music

Everything comes back, rock will have a revival. But it needs some time as said.

yeah like that great swing revival and that classical revival

When one says "rock", it doesn't mean Elvis Presley 50s rock, user.

Classical is on another level than popular music, user. It's also still alive.
>the absolute state of Sup Forums

it shouldn't, it's better dead

why does rock need stadium rock acts? those were never what made it good

alive versus popular are too different things. rock is not popular anymore.

He probably meant popular music as in pleb music, inferior to classical in an objective way. Not music that's "popular" right now.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_music

no i mean popular music as in what is on the charts, what is available in target, etc. yes pleb music and inferior, sure. but no one can honestly argue classical is a popular genre today

>implying indie rock isn't just what rock has advanced to.

literally nobody but """scholars""" (read: jews) who don't actually listen to music care about the retarded "popular / art / academic" theory

umm did you read the thread, the point is being argued as to how to make rock popular again

>but no one can honestly argue classical is a popular genre today
Exactly, classical isn't popular music by principle.

yes so when i said there will be no pop revival, you have made my point

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>Kill all the jews

>Destablise the remnants of the formerly Jewish controlled hip hop empire so it stops being pushed on impressionable young people

>New generation is spared the degeneracy of hip hop culture, can stake out an independent musical identity

>some such new gen musicians, mostly black rediscover their roots and revive the blues and jazz with the innovation of the young.

>With black people at the helm of traditional African American music again, a positive trickle down effect on rock (which was always a whitification of aforementioned music) can occur again.

>MFW neo 60s and 70s rock movements.

Why don't you guys who feel that way form your own band? The Brockhampton guys met on a forum and look at them now. Also the moderate success of bands like King Gizzard show that many still dig 'sick riffs'.
This too. Don't go out of your way to be PItchfork/NME/whatever darlings, not cool anymore.

>The Brockhampton guys met on a forum and look at them now.
well we all want what brockhampton has

Swing had a revival in the 90s though?

And recently there was that electro swing fad. Probably still exists.

>mfw there will never be a time machine to travel to your favorite music eras and attend concerts.
I'd honoestly prefer that to VR waifus.

stop being shit

The nuking of America

Same thing any genre needs to become dominant in culture. More effective marketing to young people, and more sheer volume of marketing in general. That is literally the entire answer to this question. The answer has nothing to do with music because whether a genre is currently the big thing or not has nothing to do with music.

would you prefer it to IRL waifus?

whether a thing is big or not has a lot do with the music because people making music want to make a living and that is precisely why it's the way it is. artists will change what they are doing for money. the two are inseparable, especially nowadays when music is so much harder to earn a living from

It didn't last long. Glen Miller and the like are as ancient as they ever were.

Rock music is gift wrapping for ideas not easily expressed. The end of net neutrality could be the shot in the arm we're looking for, because as long as anyone can shot out any opinion anonymously to a group of listeners there's no need for the pretense.

thread sux as much as rock
Let it die

Fuck you. Stop caring whether the music you listen to is popular and just listen to it.

Swing was just a short-lived branch of jazz music just as New Wave was a short-lived branch of rock.

>wanting to listen to people who make music for money

GAYYYYYY fucking neck yourself.

But there was dadrock in the 80s-90s and it didn't make the shit any less popular.

you'd have to be a very delusional individual to believe rock will ever make a comeback

genres have expiry dates and rock lived well past its date. im a rockist myself but the genre is in its fine wine stage like jazz. it will never be pop music again because all the best rock music had already been made and thats perfectly fine, shit cant go on forever

Actually the most based philosophy. There has already been enough popular music made to last several times that of anyones lifespan.

Rock will never be popular again.
It's like jazz at this point. Not necessarily dead, maybe even good, but simply not the voice of our generation. That's fine.

How did you manage to be Sup Forums and tumblr at the same time

>maybe even good, but simply not the voice of our generation

>he thinks rawk was ever actually the voice of a generation and not just loud, edgy music you could party to for the vast majority of its listeners
You bought into the memes a little too hard here.

When someone says "Rawk is dead", understand that what they're really saying is "The Kiss and AC/DC kind of rock is dead."

That's true

It seems to me that pop country absorbed a lot of the AC/DC demographic.

Cause Im an anti zionist who loves nigger music. The proper kind, not jewish hip hop.

all rock is dead. rock will never change challenge culture again nor will it sell out stadiums of youth nor will it chart in any significant way ever again. everything from joy division to acdc to the my chemical romance to sex pistols type of rock music is finished, all of it. all the best rock music has already been made.

rock is a niche genre now for revivalists who genuinely love it and are willing to accept career mediocrity to make the type of music they like

Rock music has played its part. It was fresh and progressive and now it's dated. Just move on or keep listening to the old records, because it's never going to reclaim its former role.

Yeah man. King Crimson and Bob Dylan were known for writing mainly lit party bangers.

60s rock literally permeated the massive upheavals of that periods counterculture; paving the way for the more liberal society we have these days. Text book case of defining a generation and this wasnt the last time a type of rock music would do so.

Even with all its frivolity, it is still a popular music genre with more substance and history than most others.

Actual rock music will return. At least rock and roll attitude, which is what it's really about. Death grips is rock n roll all the way. If more bands came around with their philosophy rock could make a comeback. There is certainly a huge market for it. One Direction is a "rock" band, in the loosest sense. Kids complain about real music on the internet all the time. Rock music with some electronic instrumentation will be the it thing. And no I don't mean indie rock. Indie is why rock is failing. Hip hop has the advantage of being able to pull from any genre and sound to make a song. Rock needs to get with the times and stop being so afraid of computers (in the writing process, not the studio process). Look at XXXTentacion. He was on the way to stardom before he fucked that all up and he has tons of rock/metal influence. His predecessor OFWGKTA had a very punk attitude. That crossover market is where it's at and I think XXXtentacion made people realize that. Even Danny Brown was rapping over rock type stuff getting critical acclaim. It's the future, it's just hard to see now with Trap and EDM dominating. I predict EDM will go to more raw sounds too, the squeaky clean polish on all edm is getting tiring and is creatively limiting.

teens just need a new figure to look up to and make them want to play an instrument. Some body needs to make rock cool again. All we got are faggot rich kids who listen to a Mac Demarco album once and and start making boring shit like that.

BTW, if you guys didn't know, this is a repeat spammer who shows up in herp rock is dead threads.

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This is him from the other day. Note the lack of caps and punctuation in his posts.

>the fact hes posted the same things on seperate occasions means it a lie

how delusional can you be? im sorry for crushing your dreams dude, but your little rock band isnt gonna save music or bring rock back from the dead, its just not happening. you're either gonna have to accept career mediocrity as a rock musician which shouldnt be a problem if you genuinely like rock music and arent just a fame hungry dickhead or focus on a different genre

>All we got are faggot rich kids who listen to a Mac Demarco album once and and start making boring shit like that.
That was because the 08 recession made guitars too expensive for working class kids, they turned to trap rappers mumbling about Xanax since it was cheap to produce. Guitar music didn't "die", it became the provenance of rich hipster nu males.

Hip-hop is dead as well, at least in the sense that it existed in the 90s.

There was that, but also guitar manufacturers went overboard targeting nostalgic baby boomers with mock 70s-style guitars and amps. The things didn't produce modern sounds and they were also too expensive for kids.

It also was because the 2000s 'indie' market was oversaturated and, on the whole, shit. The 'emo'/metalcore garbage from America was also a big factor in decline. People got bored of that shit around the recession and that's one of the reasons Sup Forumscore became a thing

As far as hip-hop, among black audiences, there also emerged a big division between gentrified Kanye hipster rap and trap which was taken up by the lower classes.

you can get a decent sounding guitar for like 100$. back in the day it was significantly more expensive for a good guitar and the cheap guitars were unplayable. we live in a time where guitars are cheapest they have ever been throughout history not to mention most accesible to play and learn with all the tabs, guides, tuners etc etc

No...I'm fairly sure that Chinese-made guitars you buy at Wal-Mart are still garbage and no serious musician uses those things.

You're going to pay hundreds of bucks for a decent guitar. Are you surprised at all that white trash couldn't afford the things anymore?

EDM has a lot of raw sound in it too, the clean production is just what's popular right now.

this. Shits still expensive now. a decent guitar is like $500 and a decent tube amp is like $400. that's not including effect pedals. It's too expensive for average person.

you can get a used squier Stratocaster for like $80 used on guitar center's website. much better than cheap knock-offs on Amazon and eBay

it's already extremely popular, user. when people say rock died, they mean in terms of relevance. there are plenty of awful buttrock bands with staggeringly large audiences

Economics play a bigger part in what music is popular than it often seems. For example, funk died out because the black middle class, which had been expanding post-WWII, shrunk with the loss of manufacturing jobs in the 70s onward and they turned to hip-hop since it didn't require expensive instruments.

>there are plenty of awful buttrock bands with staggeringly large audiences
Not really unless it's dadrockers like AC/DC.

nickelback had a top five charting album last year

I think everything becoming hyper-niche has a good amount to do with it as well. Before online music discovery things were a lot more broad with more crossover among subgenres. Now if You're using the wrong guitar pedal for your crossover grindcore band then everyone hates it. Things have become very specific for rockist fans while the public still wants something to put on in the background while they drink bud light or cheap wine. Its hard to strike that middle ground of being able to appeal to everyone with a guitar

it can't

So, add 25Hz bass notes. Ok

Cringe

Bruh Foo Fighters are still selling stadiums out

It needs personalities and "rockstars" again. Most surface level pleb music listeners don't really care that much about how good the actual music is, more the personality and antics of the people making the music.

That's why hip hop is most popular genre right now, rapper are personalities that people can follow the exploits of, rock lost it's top spot when the biggest names in the genre and a lot of the rock community rejected the "rockstar" image of the past. And rap took it's place since it filled the space for these wild and crazy personalities for people to follow.

>he thinks FF aren't dadrock
How cute. They've been a band for 40 year old businessmen who listen to them while working out on the treadmill ever since album 3.

So you're saying Gene Simmons was right that being a badass and having a cool image that scares parents is more important than technicality.

In that case, yeah I agree that bands like Paramore and Chvrches don't scare much of anyone or create any controversy.

>So you're saying Gene Simmons was right that being a badass and having a cool image that scares parents is more important than technicality.
to me personally no but when it comes to getting popular yeah.

Like it or not, Kanye does create controversy. Lady Gaga and Nicki Minaj did as well for the short time that anyone cared about them.

Foo Figthers is dadrock. Its really a band that just came in to fill the demand for a somehow newer dadrock band.

I saw them live. It was just very tired, boring stadium rock cliches with everyone playing extended-length solos.

Alice Cooper said if you want to succeed in this business, you need to offend parents.

Parents were consdervative back then, but now we're entering an era when new parents are progressive socialist people with tons of "tolerance" and "open mind-ness".
So, how do you offend those people? Crazy shit won't have an effect on them because they grew up in a crazy world already.
Maybe some misoginy?

honestly rock just needs to have edge again. I mean, rock as like 60s or 70s rock will never become a big thing anymore aside from revivalist bands that come from time to time, but i don't think its impossible to another genre derivating from rock to emerge, like idk metal and punk. If someone manages to create a new rock based edgy and heavy sound that is not something super niche like some sort of extreme death metal or some shit.
I mean, i think that probably the last rock offspring that became a revelant movement was probably Nu-metal, because it was edgy, heavy and was making a new sound taking inspiration from hip hop and eletronic music. Grunge was relevant because of the same reason.

That will make them hate old people. That's not taking offense, it's just stupid to try to alienate the people who will replace everybody on this planet.

>no one can honestly argue classical is a popular genre today
art music has never been 'popular' since the inauguration of atonality, except maybe for stuff like Reich and Glass

It needs to fucking evolve. All these stupid faggots are pretending it's still 19-something and aping something that's been done a hundred times over the last fifty years because "muh nostalgia" is really dragging rock music down.

>a genre that sucked even in the 90s is what rock has evolved to
Sup Forums, everyone.

scrememeo

White people just aren't cool anymore, sorry. Not going to happen.

Naw, upper middle class hipsters were always SJWs. They were in the 19th century, they were in the 20th century, and they are now. Working class people however are innately conservative/racist/homophobic whatever.

No, we are not. Fuck you.

>rock as like 60s or 70s rock will never become a big thing anymore
Why would you expect a young band of today to look like Aerosmith? They were a product of their time.

i know, i just said that because of op's picture

people need to start doing LSD again
we're in need of a prog revival (not steven wilson bullshit, actual 70s prog) and I feel like its on its way with bands like gizz

it needs for me to finally release an album desu senpai

Kids still do acid retard and prog isn't coming back. This is the most reddit post I've read all day congrats.

this. pop music is paganistic; it needs personalities to exalt and worship. rock music only became palatable when it skirted the line of acceptability -- when Elvis was a "deplorable, a rancid smelling aphrodisiac" and "fostered almost totally negative and destructive reactions in young people", not when its technical innovations flourished. the actual music will of course never die.