So I was petting my dog today and I realized something
These mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11 I mean yeah ancient history tried to invade Europe but the Sunnis and the Shiites have done a good enough job slaughtering eachother in their backwards ass countries to keep eachother busy. Then 9/11 happens then arab spring happens, suddenly we have a shit ton of destabilized and civil warring backwards ass countries that have created millions of refugees and huge opportunities for radical islamic groups which already existed to hold power. Not only do they have power but now people are pissed at America and Europe for coming and interrupting them killing eachother and peace. Suddenly we have a big fucking target on our back for what we've done to these goatfuckers. Suddenly these goatfuckers start going full jihad on us and our govt refuses to blame the problem on radical Islam rooted in these backwards ass third world countries.
> tfw you realize the govt let 9/11 happen because of oil/military interests
> tfw the govt helped destabilize the middle east beacuse of oil/military interest > tfw goatfuckers now blame you because of what the shills did
> tfw now that mudslimes are shooting up Americans the government won't even call it what it is, let alone defend us from it > tfw your government doesn't give a single flying fuck about you
The American government and others have helped create a massive crisis in the Middle East and the ones who are going to pay for it are us. We are the ones who are going to have to live next to people that believe in Sharia law and that infidels are deserving of death. We are the ones who are going to get shot up in random acts of terror. Jesus when did this shit get so fucked. Thoughts? Reactions? Theories? Counterpoints?
what does your dog have to do with anything, faggot
Joseph Long
don't invade kuwait
Elijah Richardson
I mean there had already been an attack on the world trade centers, attempting to bomb the foundation out and there was credible evidence that multiple intelligence agencies had of the plot and nothing was done. I realize that it's a meme but I mean come now they already tried blowing this shit up once and failed you don't think they knew they'd try again?
Nolan Davis
wag the dog maybe?
Camden Phillips
>These mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11
What is the 1993 world trade bombing, what is the 2000 USS cole bombing, what is 1998 US embassy bombing in kenya and tanzania, what is the bombing of pan am flight 103 of the 1980s
Logan Foster
Pic and time stamp of dog or gtfo
Nolan Turner
Globalization makes it easier for radical Muslims to go around the world. Also, many of today's terrorist problems stem from arming and funding groups in Afghanistan & Pakistan. Would Muslims still do acts of terror if the West did not get involved in the ME decades ago? I wouldn't be surprised if they still would.
Nolan Parker
difference is none of those events would have given the impetus to invade another country, and when I say generally i mean compared to slaughtering eachother that shit is relatively tame
Leo Scott
How fucking new are you, ever since the relocation of jewish refugees after ww2 into palestine (of all fucking places) the middle east has been a hell hole.
Mason Gomez
>difference is none of those events would have given the impetus to invade another country,
attacking a country's embassy is an act of war
Thomas Davis
Well yeah see helped destabilize the middle east, maybe they would still do acts of terror but nothing gives them a reason to hate us like invading their countries and bombing them
Angel Richardson
middle east has been a hell hole since about 632 a.d.
Michael Sanchez
yeah but you aren't gonna get public support for invading another country over just an embassy, look at Iran and what they did. Taking down two building in the middle of NY city and killing 3000 people not only is that a big death toll but that's something visible its a symbol people can get behind
That's true, but I think the Islam plays an important role too. The West has no choice but to get involved again and get rid of ISIS. Libya was a mistake, so was Iraq probably, and arming questionable groups in Syria was most definitely a mistake, which likely helped ISIS form. I wonder, though, if they were mistakes, or if the high risk of terrorism was a calculated loss that was accepted in order to topple leaders who were not cooperative/submissive to the West. I hope Trump wins because he does not want to start or get involved in such wars anymore.
Jeremiah Allen
it's because of the internet. now any butthurt haji can watch thousands of hours of bombings, goat fucking and propaganda. they can comunicate to anybody from anywhere in the world.
a perfect storm is coming. tet offensive 2.
Jack Miller
I intended this thread to be more about government self interest, it's nice you used wikipedia to accomplish nothing though friend Don't forget we helped create ISIS, we also helped create/fund/arm AL-QUEDA in our proxy war against the USSR
Hunter Evans
so what's the solution? Do we accept these people as refugees and attempt to reform them into first world citizens or do we just build walls and let the middle east slaughter itself
Caleb Hill
Truth is even if the US didn't invade iraq it would of been another Syrian civil war. Here's some interesting links.
It seems proxy wars have a tendency to backfire, especially ones involving religious motivation. It is frustrating when world leaders keep funding more of them.
Landon Myers
I agree completely but because we did invade Iraq and get mixed up in the arab spring now we have the target on our backs for the shitshow that followed
Jose Reed
Muslims didn't keep to themselves ever. They don't hate us because we removed two horrible regimes in the middle east, they hate us because we go against their religion.
Also if doing the right thing makes you the enemy of muslims around the world then we should be happy to fight them. Do you think Australia shouldn't have helped east timor because it upset muslims? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings
Bentley Ross
Isolationist foreign policy is the way to go, just sell weapons to everyone else and watch them slaughter eachother for you, just wished I had faith in Shillary or Trump to not start or continue war.
Charles Thomas
>These mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11
LOL I stopped reading there. If you said "pre-WW1", then yea OK maybe.
Nathaniel Evans
first of all, these apes are not the first wave. they are migrating to different hives in europe or in the usa. yes, stopping this wave coming is a must. but you have to deal with the haji infested ghettos that will chimp out. we need borders and we need to encourage haji on haji murder.
>If you said "pre-WW1", then yea OK maybe. pre ww1 was the ottoman empire. they never stopped.
Ian Diaz
in comparison to post 9/11 where there is a different attack every week and ISIS/Taliban control portions of countries, idk mang depends on what you take generally to mean
Brandon Johnson
we're already doing that though senpai, they're trying to live in Europe and America now
David Taylor
Well before 9/11 the Taliban were actually in control of Afghanistan and Saddam was doing way worse stuff than ISIS could ever do.
Aiden Miller
Hillary would start more conflict, based on her past. Trump wants to get along with Russia, questions US presence in South Korea, is open to (peace, I'm assuming) talks with North Korea, and doesn't want to get involved in conflicts in the ME. However, he does want a short and hard-hitting war against ISIS because there is no other option at this point. This change in foreign policy, one which will influence the rest of the West, is one of the reasons I support Trump.
Nolan Cook
We didn't intervene in Syria which created a vacuum so other, worse, countries intervined instead. Not only has this caused a massive disaster in Syria but it also destabilised the region and was the reason ISIS actually grew.
Nathaniel Green
>Don't forget we helped create ISIS, we also helped create/fund/arm AL-QUEDA in our proxy war against the USSR
Also this is a meme. The US armed the Afghan mujahedeen which then became the northern alliance. Also China and Iran participated in the war.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention the Islamic state of Iraq got funded by Iran.
Andrew Green
>EVER thinking rich corrupt globalist shill government (govern: control, ment: mental, mind) cares about you
Daniel Miller
I believe we started the current conflict in Syria, yet when it got out of hand, no one was willing to commit ground units.
Brandon Gutierrez
> this is a meme > they just hate us cus reasons > they just have weapons cus reasons > spooky Iran, they've always loved Iraq right
Colton King
Lol @ OP
Muslims all over the Middle East hate Europeans and Americans in general because of a century of interventionist and destabilizing neocolonial policy in the ME. It shouldn't be surprising honestly. 9/11 wasn't the beginning, it was just the biggest sign that they wouldn't take any more of our shit. We need to leave that place the fuck alone.
Jacob Ross
It's not that I think the govt cares about me it's the fact that people can't see through how fucking transparent it is sometimes
Cooper Parker
No, Assad ran the country into the ground and a civil war started. Also there are plenty foreign groups commiting ground troops. They are just shitty factions.
Alexander Adams
hmm what you said really made me think. I like how you didn't even try to respond to what he posted.
Wyatt Ward
bro its way too late man, look at how many refugees there already are, they're taking the fight to Europe at least it's kind of hard for at least Europe to leave it alone
Joshua Turner
Then they put up a wall in Turkey and gun down anyone that approaches the shoreline.
Zachary Davis
>tfw you know Iraq invaded Kuwait because Kuwait was slant drilling Iraqui oil.
>tfw the UN was going to make a resolution telling Kuwait to stop.
>tfw it was the USA that vetoed it
>tfw it's the USA's fault that Iraq invaded Kuwait
>tfw the kike-led US is playing the good goy.... again.
Matthew Roberts
And it's never too late to change our policy.
9/11 was directly because Osama didn't like US troops on Saudi land. So we pull them out. Easy as that.
Frankly, Muslims will love us as soon as we say, "Well, we're out. Good luck, guys."
Henry Carter
I can't say how Assad governed, but foreign governments had a role in the rise of revolutionary militia groups such as the FSA, many of whose members turned into jihadis/terrorists or were Islamists anyway. What I can say is that Assad held more moderate beliefs and kept the terrorists at bay, bedore they received foreign support. By ground troops I meant Western militaries. All we do is bomb them, but ground units, conventional and trained ones, are needed to hold the land. It seems that the Syrian and Iraqi militaries are gradually doing just that recently though. I think the war will end in a year or so.
Ian Martinez
touche Claiming we armed one specific group of afhani's who would never help out any others, and we ofc kept it just to that one highly centralized group Don't think ISIS really cares who they get funding from or whether or that they got their start in an American prison camp If he is arguing we really didn't make our bed then sleep in it, then who did give all the afghanis weapons, and ISI got money from selling oil to europe too what's your point
Connor Robinson
They just called it Pan Arab Socialism instead of Jihadism back before the Cold War ended. They committed terrorism just the same.
Lucas Anderson
I mean also a country with no military controlling 9% of the world's oil sitting directly next to a country with the world's 6th strongest military made it a pretty obvious move for Iraq.
Mason Wilson
we can pull out that's all fine and good but what about the 3 or so million refugees turkey is holding, what happens to them, regardless of whether or not they hate us if I was european I wouldn't want 3 million people who largely think sharia law is okay on their way to come live in my country
Caleb Watson
more like Iraq was in massive dept and they made up a story to annex kuwait
Adam Johnson
Kick them out. Send them back to the shitholes that they themselves made.
Logan Reyes
They did try to resolve the issue peacefully. First through the Arab League, then the UN.
I guess Bush senior just loved that cheap stolen oil too much.
Joshua Sanchez
Nope. The UN resolution is real. Try harder, because you're not just wrong, you're ignorant.
Oliver Bell
do you honestly think people who risked drowning in little dingys on the open ocean and probably think you are worthy of death as a infidel aren't going to keep trying to get into europe, I just don't have faith in the eu to say gtfo and go back and stop them from getting in
Mason Green
Do you know what happened after we left Afghanistan? Do you know about the civil war? Do you know who won the civil war?
Camden Green
Cool then enlighten me and share it
Sebastian Turner
Sounds about right. George W and his merry band of neocons basically drove out to a field in Texas, found the biggest fire ant mound in the field, kicked it over, and then started complaining when the ants swarmed out and started biting them on the ankles.
Zachary Turner
Well that's Europe and they can do what they want. But they should just post up on the shore and defend against the actual invasion.
America needs to not be involved anymore, though.
Eli Diaz
>UN '''resolution'''
Isaiah Ortiz
depends on what civil war you mean
Xavier Rodriguez
ive seen some stuff about iraq getting permission from usa before that war started
Leo Miller
So the west started the civil war after those protesters were fired upon? I understand at this point the moderate rebels have been worn down, lots have either been killed or have joined extreme groups. This doesn't mean it was like that at the start of the war and it doesn't mean there still aren't democratic forces to support. Assad is certianly not more moderate than the rebels fighting for a democratic syria.
le jet fuel can't melt steel beams maymay You make America look bad. This 'epiphany' is a decade late.
Gabriel Smith
>America fucks everything up in the ME for Israel
well I wonder what would've happened if we'd left well enough alone.
Charles Gutierrez
nah just in light of the denials of islam extremism in the wake of the orlando shooting is what it's from, was just disgusted about how they're attempting to portray him as a lone wolf
David Reed
>ancient history tried to invade Europe
1922 isn't ancient history, user.
Evan Nguyen
They don't want democracy, though, they want Sharia. They are Islamists. I don't think democracy works well in the Muslim world anyway. So far, every Muslim country we have tried to bring democracy to has failed or become worse.
Landon Wood
After the commies got btfo the mujahideen we supported during the war ended up fighting against the taliban. Those mujahideen became the northern alliance and basically lost the war until the 2001 invasion.
Oliver Williams
To your point about original, true democratic forces. No one really knows. People doubt if the FSA was/is really a militia or just a loose, nominal network.
Jose Clark
This isn't true at all. The SDF is clearly a group we should be supporting. Also if it wasn't for another baathist regime collapsing Iraq would be a lot more stable. Despite the problems caused by the civil war iraq actually has elections now and they also aren't being gassed or gunned down by helicopter gunships.
Jason Murphy
Here's a question for you are there not striking parallels between that situation and what's happening now? Do you think that the afghani regime is capable of holding off the taliban if/when we leave?
Anthony Baker
This doesn't say anything about Kuwait stealing Iraqi oil. I'm pretty sure he is just an ausie shitposter who has to make shit up.
James Gray
Well the problem the first time is that we left too soon. That is the only time I would be able to say that we are making the same mistake.
Anthony Baker
Last I heard, a couple months ago, the Taliban was regaining land.
Justin Cox
At what point has it been long enough?
Liam Martin
When Afghanistan is stable enough for us to not be needed. How long that takes depends on how much work is put in to do that from this point forward. But I can't imagine it taking that long. Libya is basically stable now after a relatively quick and bloodless civil war thanks to western intervention and Iraq is gaining more and more land back from ISIS too.
Angel Clark
George bush and the cabal took down the World Trade Center specifically to re-escalate the neverending war in the Middle East. It has been a resounding success. The bankers and military industrial complex have made TRILLIONS since 2001 and we have seen some of the largest weapon purchase orders in history recently. It has been an unmitigated success. Not a single person that matters has died from the west, not one. It's the gift that keeps on giving, a veritable goose that lays golden eggs. Why would they kill it? A few years ago things seemed to be winding down, then omg Assad is so evil we must overthrow, quick lets train rebels, oops, now they are ISIS and they used those weapons and training to roll through the region. Who coulda knowed? Oops, we air dropped them more weapons when they were running low. Oops we shipped them into America and Western Europe now they are running amok. Gotta have more government and more war spending to fix it! .
ok cool so I was basically right. There is literally no evidence for it and Kuwait not being a great country isn't a reason for iraq to annex it. They may not be the good guys but they will never be as bad as Saddam ;)
Ayden Gomez
>the west started the civil war after those protesters were fired upon
No. The west/saudis armed the protesters, incited violence, then complained when their proxies got BTFO.
Carter Butler
Really good story you wrote there. You should get in touch with Michael Moore, you might be able to make a "documentary". But do you have any proof?
David Hall
>literally no evidence for it
Claims existed since a decade before invading, yet you said Saddam made it all up to justify invading...
GCHQ fuck off.
Ethan Cooper
>These mudslimes generally kept to themselves before 9/11
taqiyya
Colton Fisher
That is a really cool image. Let me just dismiss reality and take that as my truth.
Oliver Cruz
> tried to invade Europe > We are the ones who are going to have to live next to people that believe in Sharia law and that infidels are deserving of death. We are the ones who are going to get shot up in random acts of terror
taqiyya ur nan you aussie cunt
Jonathan Gray
read the fucking book you posted. It says that kuwait was accused in the late 1980s
But no, I'm sure that your marching orders from MI6 or whatever mean you'll keep going instead of leaving.
Jaxon Watson
Still prior to the invasion. Years prior even. And that is only the public, not private, accusations. All you're doing is refusing to face the fact that Kuwait was a cunt, and Iraq got shafted both ways.
Hope you enjoy the millions of Iraqi refugees you created
Ethan Sanchez
Guys on far left and right look A E S T H E T I C prove me wrong
Only a matter of time until they came over to kill us. Example: 9/11. >government didn't understand how fucking crazy Muslims were >terrorism is actually helping to convert out people from social justice to nationalist racist >Iran was hell bent of killing us anyway
The wars just sped up the process. They would be coming for the west eventually. The orient hasn't done shit to them and they constantly attack over there.
Your a Fuckin shill trying to subvert us. And you fucking smart. >Islam will constantly attack any other group. Despite the other group leaving it alone. >they will attack it is inevitable.
Blake Phillips
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Noah Rivera
i would not be surprised if Trump releases transcripts showing they could've prevented it and didn't. we know Bill (wish means George did too) knew about the possibility of an attack there.
