Why was national socialism the enemy of the soviet socialists? Why wouldn't socialists work together...

Why was national socialism the enemy of the soviet socialists? Why wouldn't socialists work together? No other socialists in history were ever enemies. Did everyone just hate Germany so much, it didn't matter that they were also socialists?

because Hitler was a dumbshit who took on too much

i thought the russian commies were a bunch of jews anyway

is that why?

Because there wasn't enough space in Europe for two such empires. And bolsheviks were Jews who dreamed of destroying all european tradition and culture.

Two differing interpretations of socialist theory, one being Marxist the other Prussian. Marxist Jew Socialism, versus non Jewish Socialism. A brief truce existed but due to Marxists staunch internationalism conflict was inevatble.

They were until Stalin cucked their shit up

actually, they did
they were best buds, up until the invasion of poor lechia

>No other socialists in history were ever enemies
Holy fuck you're 572a fucking ignorant retard.

german socialist propoganda was anti-capitalist:


The United States always fascinated Germans. It was the land of “unlimited possibilities,” of the Wild West, of millionaires. The book attempts to demonstrate that, although the U.S. is a land of great beauty and decent people, it is a corrupt capitalist state. Most of the book deals with Americans who Johann met, who invariably have come to a bad end. He discusses sharecroppers in Louisiana, a ruined farmer, a homeless man once of the middle class, a professor who loses his position because he fails to meet the desires of those behind the scenes, etc. In each case, the American system has brought a good man down. .


Excerpts from The Land Without a Heart
p. 24: “For what was gone with the wind after the Civil War was the old America in which people were judged by their human worth and their real value, not by their fortune or bank account.”

p. 27: “If one applies methodical concepts to the United States, one sees that within a few decades the corporate power of capital crushed and destroyed the Native Americans and Puritans, the free and independent citizenry, and the independent farming class. If one may use a frequent and often misused word, human freedom itself was destroyed. The methods were different, but the results identical with what happened under Bolshevism, with the same ice-cold contempt for humanity.”

>What is the Sino-Soviet Split?

The Russian Bolsheviks were mostly Jewish

The German National Socialists saw the struggle in purely Aryan vs Jew racial terms.
From the Fuhrer's viewpoint , the war against the USSR was not an ideological war - it was primarily a racial war for the survival of the German Volk.

p. 166: the Okie migration to California in the 1930’s came to shit.”With very few exceptions it was the best entrepreneurs and freedomers that met its bitter fate here: Americans from formerly good indentured farming families. And their fate is a terrible accusation against the American system, which reduces people to numbers and sees everything only from a single standpoint: profit. May the world collapse, may hundreds of thousands, even millions perish — as long as the profits are good. What kind of world is it in which workers prefer to sleep in the fields rather than back in camp out of fear that otherwise someone else will steal their job the next morning! And all this for 60 cents a day...

p. 198: Roosevelt on 11 October 1941 reports that half of those called for military service were unfit.”In Germany, which Roosevelt has threatened with destruction, since it presumably is hindering the American Standard, the American Century, the percentage of those rejected for military service has never exceeded five percent. It is understandable that Roosevelt hates the Germans. How dare they defeat him with a single fact: five percent vs. fifty percent!”

p. 199: “Traditional humanistic communalism within a few years made unemployment, that terrible specter of modern humanity, into only a nightmarish memory. Roosevelt, despite the new deal and billions of dollars, was never able to bring the unemployment figure under ten million.”

p. 202: “Chicago is filled with chaos more than any other American city that I know. It seems to me the very model of America, for America too is filled with chaos, terrible chaos, filled with excess, destruction and desolation.”

p. 263: The conclusion to the book: “It was not the goal of this book to discuss whether America can win the war, or whether it must lose it. But perhaps it has become clear —and that was my goal — that America does not deserve to win the war and spread its system over the entire world. There is nothing in the American system worth imitating, either for Germany or Europe. If Americanism conquered the world, it would mean the end of all human values and of genuine freedom — the freedom to do something, not from something! — of all the values for which Europe has fought and suffered for millennia, for which it has given all its strength of body and soul.

No European could exchange places with an American. America is a pitiable country and the Americans are a betrayed people, betrayed by their leaders, betrayed and deceived in a simply indescribable way by their self chosen leader Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He spoke of helping the common man, but filled his election campaign fund with donations from uncaring capitalists. He began by wanting to loose the capitalist chains, but became as much a tool of Morgan as any of his predecessors.”

Haavara. That is all.

Nazism and socialism have nothing to do with each other. The former was explicitly invented to oppose the latter.

Nazism and Communism are cut from the same cloth. In the end it was really an ego battle between Stalin and Hitler.

The difference is Nazis and communists were never ideologically aligned.

That was a strategic alliance and a farce, both knew that war between them was inevitable.

you might want to read up more on national socialism

Enlighten me

do it yourself ahmed

>I know fuck all

Ok

too tired to explain this shit to you

>Nazism and Communism are cut from the same cloth

Ive been thinking about that recently, in my mind fascism is the middle ground between communism and what we have now.

Democracy - Public "owns" everything
Fascism - State owns government but allows free personal choices
Communism - State "owns" everything

Imagine how the world would be today if we went with either of the latter, id like to think better, we don't know what we need yet since we have no real experience in the modern world

You're a moron

shut the fuck up muhammed

>No other socialists in history were ever enemies
Vietnam and China. Vietnam and Cambodia. The Soviet Union and China after the Sino-Soviet split. Bolshevics and the Menshevics. Stalinists and Trotskyites, Stalinists and anarchists. Social Democrats and Soviets.

Retarded fuck.

Soviet Socialism = goal of International Socialism

National Socialism = Socialism of the Germanic Race and Nation

They are diametrically opposed on too many levels.

All forms of Socialism are cancer.

Germany and Italy had just gotten around to build their nations in the 19th century and they weren't too happy about some Jewish Bolsheviks coming in and taking it way and so the National Socialist and Fascism came about.

I think the problem in our German media is that the National Socialists and the Fascists are called right-wingers. This way they can conveniently play up the role of the SPD (Social Democratic Party) members being interned in concentration camps. There were far more social democrats who accepted the regime in the end while the conservatives have been opposed to Hitler's policies from the start. Gleichschaltung is just one example that is directly to opposed to German culture since we have had a federal history but this action was passed to actually overwrite the identities of the German people.

Anyone got that image about National Socialism and what it stands for?

Trotskism = goal of international socialism
Stalinism = socialism in one country

Nazis are nationalists.
Communists are internationalists.
That's really the main difference between them.

No.

Having minor similar characteristics does not make them similar.

The soviets and the Nazi's had widely different social and economical systems that were never compatible.

People get confused because they see the word socialism and thus think of Marxism, however, Hitlers socialism was not Marxist based and was more a tag which might have been called 'populist' nowadays.

It's also funny to note that in the course of the war the Berlin and Moscow switched positions. While the hoard of the proletarian internationalism, the Soviet Union, started to put their emphasis on the Great Patriotic War for the fatherland the factual development in Germany went into the opposition. What started out as Greater German struggle for freedom went on to become a supranational with more volunteers joining German forces or building their own SS groups. Hitler and Himmler were fine with using their military strength but they were opposed to make big political concessions to any other nationality.

They're nothing alike with the exception of a few economic policies.

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